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I am looking for a solution that will allow me to install 5-10 electrical outlets in a single housing.

Does anyone know of a maker or company that sells such a unit?:headscrat The reason I need this is that I will have aprox 5-10 outlets in rows of two which the transformers are being plugged into.

I have looked at some random options but none of them will allow me to plug in these massive transformers in rows of 5, or 10.

Below is something close to what I am looking for. I would prefer if I was able to have the device box vertical and not horizontal.

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I have three of these style power strips which are perfect for the huge transformers.

The two problems I have are: They are over 5 feet long, and they have a on / off switch.

All of these transformers can not be plugged into anything that has a on / off switch per the UL listing (certification) I am trying to attain. :(

They have to be device box's and enclosed in some sort of housing . . . :headscrat
 

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What are you building? I take it you're planning on plugging in a bunch of wall wart transformers, like what's used for cell phone chargers or similar? Is it something you're going to sell commercially? That's the only reason I can think of that you'd need a UL listing for. Also, aren't you in Canada? From what I understand a CE rating is a lot easier to get than UL.

edit: I found this source for multiple gang boxes that will hold up to nine receptacles. They're designed for mounting in a wall. http://www.garvinindustries.com/Ele...-Gang-Boxes/2-1-2-Deep-with-Conduit-Knockouts
 
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What are you building? I take it you're planning on plugging in a bunch of wall wart transformers, like what's used for cell phone chargers or similar? Is it something you're going to sell commercially? That's the only reason I can think of that you'd need a UL listing for. Also, aren't you in Canada? From what I understand a CE rating is a lot easier to get than UL.

edit: I found this source for multiple gang boxes that will hold up to nine receptacles. They're designed for mounting in a wall. http://www.garvinindustries.com/Ele...-Gang-Boxes/2-1-2-Deep-with-Conduit-Knockouts

I decided to pursue something very unique when I designed and built my home. One of the main elements was that the home was UL, CE, certified. There are many elements to achieve and meet to obtain a UL listing for a none commercial setting.

The big picture for me in terms of dollars and cents is that my insurance co. was able to provide me a huge discount because my home was extremely safe, compliant, and able to reduce losses should fire, water, electrical disasters occur.

The 10 wall wart transformers are each powering sub systems in my security system. One of the mandates is that all 120 VAC supplies must be dedicated, secured, surge protected, and of course live at all times with no on / off switches to interrupt the flow of power.

That is just one small aspect of the bigger picture.

Regardless, those device box's will work perfectly for my needs! I thank you all for your input and feed back. If anyone else finds something better please do chime in. :beer:
 
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what are the wall warts powering? cameras? why not use something like this http://www.supercircuits.com/Camera-Power-Supplies/Multi-Camera-Power-Supplies/DC12-16CAM-W~LEADS instead of a pile of wall warts?

are you actually having UL come out and list your house? Didnt know there was a UL standard for a house.... usually you just have a field evaluation done for things that arent listed (custom made light fixtures, industrial machinery, things like that) but maybe its different in canada.
 
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what are the wall warts powering? cameras? why not use something like this http://www.supercircuits.com/Camera-Power-Supplies/Multi-Camera-Power-Supplies/DC12-16CAM-W~LEADS instead of a pile of wall warts?

are you actually having UL come out and list your house? Didnt know there was a UL standard for a house.... usually you just have a field evaluation done for things that arent listed (custom made light fixtures, industrial machinery, things like that) but maybe its different in canada.

No, the transformers are powering some access control modules, opto isolated distribution hubs, power supplies, and new additions to the security system.

I have several industrial sized power supplies for the camera system like the one you have posted up but much more robust.

Some of the Ul / CE rating requires things you normally don't see in a residential environment. It has been pretty hard to meet some of the rules, guidelines, while still making it blend into the home with out it looking like a normal office space which you would see in standard business.

How does one make a exit sign look ****? How does one affix fire extinguisher signs up on a wall to be visible yet reflective of the decor?

How does one ensure safety / first aid / WHMIS labels / Manuals etc are all displayed in a prominent location all the while blending in?? :sad:

These and dozens more are the things I had to do to save myself huge insurance fee's.

At the end of the day it was pretty fun in thinking outside of the box and still being able to comply with the goals and rules !! :thumbup:
 

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I'd wonder how much home insurance was that you'd want to jump through all these hoops just to lower it? Seems extreme.
 

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can you explain this UL / CE rating for a house? I have never heard of this. (and what does CE have to do with anything?)
 

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There are so many options. Could you just put up a surface mount box? You can get your normal outlets in vertical. Your only limit is the size of surface box you can find.

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Teken:
Try checking in the Darley Catalog #257 on page 51. They call the "The Junction Box" top of page UL listed and they say to contact them for custom configurations.

Darley
325 Spring Lake Dr.
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(800)323-0244
 
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I'd wonder how much home insurance was that you'd want to jump through all these hoops just to lower it? Seems extreme.

By no means is this just for the long term savings in home insurance. What I put into the house and what I continue to put into my home isn't worth it for most folks.

This was my first home which I helped design and build. I wanted to do a lot of things I had only dreamed about and saw on TV.

I intend to live in this home forever: Knowing this, I decided to do things which in the big picture would save me a lot of money over the years. The ROI is way out there, assuming I even live that long to see the return on some facets of what I have done thus far.

Again, that wasn't the goal or objective in terms of return on investment in some area's I spent a lot of money on.

I will never see a return in my investment with the fire rated dry wall through out the entire home. If I do that's because my home is on fire !! :sad:

I have however seen a huge return on my investment with insulating my entire home with fire rated roxul insulation for all interior walls. My home remains warm / cool longer than any home in my area.

My heating costs are just a fraction of all my neighbors. Given my extreme climate (-25 to -45'C) for periods lasting as long as 9 months out of the year. My initial investment of $500.00 to insulate all of the interior walls has paid off the first year.

Dual flush toilets, low flow facets, shower heads, all energy star rated appliances, and high efficiency water / furnace have all played a huge role in the over all plan and design of the system and home.


can you explain this UL / CE rating for a house? I have never heard of this. (and what does CE have to do with anything?)

The UL / CE rating pertain to electrical security and sub systems in the home only. The other elements which the insurance co. take into consideration are the *risks* or in my case the lack thereof.

Because I have purposely designed, built, and installed devices, systems, and elements which reduce the *risk* they the insurance co is comfortable that the home is at such a low level that they pass along the saving to me.

As it was stated above: The entire house is dry walled with fire rated material this includes all of the insulation. The framing 75% is all metal to reduce fire propagation.

The home is split into fire zones: Key areas are all rated to contain a fire for more than 3 hours. Fire and control systems automatic (electronic) as well as independent fire suppression are installed through out the whole house.

Every room is fully equipped with smoke /co detectors which are hard wired and wireless to ensure redundancy and fail safe against electrical faults. They are of course monitored and supervised 24/7/365.

The entire home (save private areas) are video supervised and streamed 24/7/365 to three separate stations and all of the data is backed up to four independent on site / off site servers.

All water sources are monitored against leaks and the water lines are controlled by electronic shut off valves: washer, dishwasher, hot water tank. All of the toilets and sinks have water leak sensors which sounds out and then sends sms, e-mail, and IP alerts to me and the stations.

The sump pit is backed up with a independent system in case of a failure. All of the critical areas are monitored: Fire, water, low temp, electrical faults.

With respect to more of the required security UL: Some basic requirements are as follows.

All sensors must be wired with EOL resistors which must indicate a open, short, or a failure to communicate. The system must not have a delay arming sequence longer than 30 seconds.

The siren duration for breach must not be less than 5 minutes, a fire condition must keep the siren sounding for the entire duration with no time limit, a fire zone can not have a delay sequence, all electrical grounds must be bonded with 12 gauge solid conductor to ground strap this includes all panel box's and covers which must have a ground strap connected to the box,

The list is endless with respect to the security / electrical systems but because the elements are designed as a commercial building design the systems are wired, installed, and deployed in the same fashion.

Most people don't have access readers in their homes, nor are they challenged each and every time to enter a password along with a swipe card.

Other areas require biometrics to enter, while some area are *man trapped* to ensure one door must be closed before another will open.

These elements insure fire, theft, and heat / energy loss. Just some insight for those curious as to why, if, but . . . Lots more but most of you get the idea that this is part hobby, part life style, and part *because I can do it*

It saves me about 45% on my home insurance . . .

There are so many options. Could you just put up a surface mount box? You can get your normal outlets in vertical. Your only limit is the size of surface box you can find.

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Could you please provide me with a link for those box's . . . Those look exactly what I am looking for! Thank you very much !! :beer:
 
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Teken:
Try checking in the Darley Catalog #257 on page 51. They call the "The Junction Box" top of page UL listed and they say to contact them for custom configurations.

Darley
325 Spring Lake Dr.
Itasca IL 60143-2027
(800)323-0244

Thank you so very much . . . :beer: :beer: :thumbup:
 

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The UL / CE rating pertain to electrical security and sub systems in the home only. The other elements which the insurance co. take into consideration are the *risks* or in my case the lack thereof.

ok. so your alarm/fire systems are installed to UL standard (which at least here in the usa is common) I was thinking you were doing something special with the house and having UL perform a field evaluation.....
 

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Yes, here it is cUL . . .

cUL is not CE. cUL is the UL mark for Canada -an alternative to CSA.

CE is a self certification required in europe and doesnt mean a thing in North America.
 

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So, these "devices, systems, and elements" that you "purposely designed, built, and installed" have been submitted by you to UL for UL approval?
 
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So, these "devices, systems, and elements" that you "purposely designed, built, and installed" have been submitted by you to UL for UL approval?

I think people are misunderstanding what is being done: A portion of my home / systems must comply with UL / cUL requirements. Whether it be structural or electrical, electronic in nature.

The other aspect is (I and my family) along with the home must meet building codes normally associated to commercial standards.

You do not normally see exit signs in a home. You do not normally see emergency lighting and air strip directional lighting. You do not see fire systems, fire decals, fire extinguishers, etc. You do not see building layout indicating all exits and paths of egress.

You do not see walls structured to withstand earth quake and hurricane events in a none earth quake / hurricane area.

You will not see back up redundant power systems powering computers, sumps, furnaces, electrical / electronic systems.

You will not see fire rated doors which are chambered to contain smoke and forced entry. You will not see redundant communications via cellular, land line, radio, and IP.

You will not see biometrics, self closing doors, mag locks, and security roller shutters.

You will not see window film to reduce force impact. You will not see ventilation dampers which close upon smoke / fire conditions close.

The list is endless, but you get the picture . . . I have not built any of the UL equipment which are key, but I have built other sub systems which compliment the system as a whole for back up.

As it was stated before this is long term project and not all of the systems are fully in place due resources / or requirements mandated by my insurer.

The big picture for the home is to be self sustaining and use as little power from outside and other resources such a water. By incorporating grey water recycling, solar heat wall, geo thermal, and solar heat collectors, along with solar electricity to feed back into the grid.

Thanks for everyones contributions for J box's which will help me finish off these blasted outlets! :thumbup:
 

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Could you please provide me with a link for those box's . . . Those look exactly what I am looking for! Thank you very much !! :beer:

You can get the surface mount boxes from any manufacturer or surface mount conduit. Even Home Depot sells these! :) I'd go to an electric supply, though. They may even have larger sizes that the big boxes don't have.
 
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You can get the surface mount boxes from any manufacturer or surface mount conduit. Even Home Depot sells these! :) I'd go to an electric supply, though. They may even have larger sizes that the big boxes don't have.

Thank you much ! :beer:
 
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