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BTL-A4

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Can anybody recommend a decent set of 1-2" and 2-3" Micrometers? I have an old starret 0-1" that was my grandfather's. I don't need anything fancy. I'd prefer American-made.

I've read that starret is not as good as it used to be.

Central tool seems like a good choice. Any thoughts or experience with them?

I wouldn't mind buying used, I just need to know how to test them.
 
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The Central stuff is fine, they don't have carbide faces on anything but one model of one inch mic but larger ones for how much use they get will be fine. Use the standard to check for calibration and they also will not offer tenth's measurements. The centrals are all over Ebay and are USA made reasonable price wise. The Starretts are nicer but it just depends on what you are doing.
 

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Look for older USA stuff on eBay or buy the new Chinese ****. Any of them will work just fine for us on GJ. Now, if you machine parts all day, every day, and have to hold 0.001" or 2, then that might be a different story. Digital calipers are way more versatile than mics and might be fine for you.
 

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I have both Central and Starret. The Centrals I bought from a pawnshop in 1987 and have held up great. The Starrets I got off of eBay a couple years ago as decided I needed to get to .0001” when measuring.
 

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I have a 0-6 mitutoyo that was very expensive for work they work fine then I was recommended to try a shars set of 0-6 mics same feel and accuracy as my $1100 mitutoyo set. I use the shars at home there about $130 for the whole set I highly recommend for professional or hobbyists


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I'm a precision tool maker by trade, and have owned a wide variety of mikes over the years. I have a 1" that I bought 40 years ago for $10 (new), and I have a 1" Etalon that is about $200. They both do the same thing, pretty much to the same degree of accuracy. When I get down to .0001, I use gauge blocks, and/or an indicating micrometer. Years ago, I bought a cheap new 0-12" set for $150 or so. I checked every mike in various places within its range, and they're all dead nuts. I've yet to see much advantage in expensive, brand name mikes other than bragging rights.
 

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Some Starrett items are not as good as they used to be, mainly because they are made in China, however the Micrometers (the conventional ones at least) still seem to be decent!

Having said that, I would probably buy used. Unlike some tools, such as dial vernier that are prone to damage, there’s not a lot to go wrong on a micrometer, and provide the thing turns smoothly I wouldn’t even bother testing it. Provided it comes with a ‘standard’ it’s easy to zero!
 

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I would look at used B&S and older used Starrett's. I was also look at getting .0001" mics instead of a .001". You might never need or use that accuracy, but it is nice to have it when it is needed.

I would skip the slant line B&S mics unless you've used them in the past. Those slant lines mics can be confusing to read.
 

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Even very cheap micrometers will be accurate within the limits of the indicator. One thing about machinist measurement tools is that the supply of used always exceeds demand. I seldom go to garage sales but even here in pure ag country I find used mics everywhere. They sell for whatever the inheritor can get.
 

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I have been looking at older NSK, when they were made in Japan. I am also interested in the digit counter ones (or analog digital ones). Then I saw the full digital ones that do both scales and thought that might not be a bad choice. I figure that about anything would work for me as I really don't need accuracy as much as repeatability.
 

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I have some nice older Starrett mics I could part with, 0-1", 1"-2", and 2"-3".
 
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I've come to the point in life where my analog mics require reading glasses to make sense of. I sprung for a digital 0-1 (my most-used size) that I can read without squinting. What a blessing!

I happened to get it from Amazon Warehouse at an advantageous price.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N4MCLC6/?tag=atomicindus08-20
Reads to 0.0001 in the inch range, 0.001 metric. Inch range is the same as the analog mic I used previously.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MBHXWGY/?tag=atomicindus08-20
Has better resolution (0.00005") and less expensive.
 
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For regular non-digitals, I have USA Made Starrett and Brown & Sharpe I got off Ebay. For digital I have Mitutoyo, all Made in Japan.
 

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You see so many used mics for sale. I've learned to be choosy. I only go with uncommon or NOS now. I bought a set of Lufkin 0-1" mics on eBay and got a home run for only $10, carbide tip & tenths vernier & ratchet cap. Bin auction listed as nos, but when I got it, it was used. :(

I was about to write angry email to seller, when I noticed carbide on anvil and spindle thicker than std Lufkin fare. Then I saw surfaces PERFECT mirrors. Someone had paid a lot of money to have new carbide inserts brazed on to replace originals, then never used it. Mic was spot on accuracy wise to gage blocks, had no discrepancies over range, surfaces nearly perfectly parallel on an optic flat.
Some of the best $10 I ever spent in my life.

Still did write them an email that it was listed incorrectly and to be careful throwing nos around, however I was pleased gave them good feedback. They were thankful of correction.

Go for less common brands. Starrett are usually spendy, but not always. Mitutoyo, B&S also. That's why I gravitate to lesser known brands. Like Lufkin, Goodell-Pratt, Slocomb, Pratt & Whitney, Scherr-Tumico, Central. A lot of times deals to be had. NSK another good Japanese mfr that get lost in the sauce behind Mitutoyo.
 
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Mitutoyo hasn't let me down yet.

I have heard people complain about the Brazilian Mitutoyo, but in my experience just as good as Japanese offerings most of the time. Most if not all 6" and 8" dial calipers made there now. 12" and digis still Japan. I had a set of Brazilian 0-1" and 1-2" mics with the forest green era paint on frames. Heavier than comparable US, gave them to a friend starting in the trade.

Another time I bought 2 groove micrometers off a guy for $60, one a Lufkin USA one a Mitutoyo Japan, both with wood cases, light use. Sold Mitutoyo to coworker for $60 And broke even, minus gas cost. They were eerily similar tools, although the collet depth stop on the Lufkin was superior. The Mit was older, actually engraved not etched, although I'd guess newer than Lufkin by 20-30 yrs. The Mit also weighed about 1.5 times the Lufkin, which normally is good...but on these, feel is very important with the thin measuring discs. I ended up selling the Lufkin later for $75 And I regret it.
 
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Thanks everyone.

I looked up NSK and got Fowler by NSK:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00INX6XIE/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Lufkin, Goodell-Pratt, Slocomb were hard to find. The others were available, I just need to decide how much I'm willing to spend.

I'm taking a machining class and will be teaching high school students next year in a general shop class. I'd like something decent for myself for home use, but also want to try out various brands for use in a high school shop.
 
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I have a 0-6 mitutoyo that was very expensive for work they work fine then I was recommended to try a shars set of 0-6 mics same feel and accuracy as my $1100 mitutoyo set. I use the shars at home there about $130 for the whole set I highly recommend for professional or hobbyists


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So these $18 mics are just as good as ones costing 10x that? I guess I could try them and find out!
http://www.shars.com/products/measuring/micrometers/1-2-solid-metal-frame-outside-micrometer

I'm just curious why there is such a huge price difference. I get that labor costs and QC cost money, but how can something that costs 1/10 the price be just as accurate?
 

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For my "nice" set I have 0"-6" Mitutoyo with carbide faces and a tenths vernier. I really like them. I bought them used at an auction, and checked them on micrometer standards and gage blocks to verify them.

For general shop use, I have some older Starrett and Brown and Sharpe that I also bought used. They are carbide faced as well, but are only graduated to .001". Which is fine for 99% of my work.

For students in a shop, I wouldn't spend much. Fowler or Shars is probably just dandy. They WILL get dropped, misused and generally abused. Plan to buy a new set every year or so. When I was in college machine shop, I brought my own mics and calipers because the school sets were not treated very well.

Micrometers are a fairly simple device. They need to be made accurately, but you can make one without too much advanced manufacturing. Like any quality brand of tool versus a cheap one, the differences are subtle and sometimes hard to see at first. Satin chrome barrels, quality of lapping on the faces, the finishes on the frame, the smoothness of the ratchet mechanism and the barrel lock, stuff like that. Plus the quality of the materials, heat treat and so on affect the longevity and durability. Plus the value of the brand. So while a Shars may be plenty accurate for general measuring for a while, it may not hold up as long or be as nice overall as a B&S, Starrett or Mitutoyo. You're paying a premium for the top end of a product.
 

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I used Polish import mics when I was machining torpedo fins (vanes) 20 years ago. $25 for the 0-1 and 1-2. Made thousands of them. Never scrapped one because of measuring errors either.
 

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I will also say buy used, even here in the UK where I personally don't see many at sales you can go on eBay and find someone selling them relatively locally, you can usually go and look if you ask, bought a bunch of large Moore and Wrights very cheap last year, like £10 or £15 each, not a complete set and some are missing the standards but they were boxed, sizes from 5" to 6" right up to 13" to 14"
 

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15--from your link:

"The cheap stuff carries various names, some of them quite well known, such as SPI and Fowler. These respected resellers can give you the false impression that you're buying something of quality, even though you're paying only a fraction of the price. You ought to know better."

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Those long island indicator guys sure do come across as overbearing snobs. We get it, Swiss stuff is top notch and everything else *****. :rolleyes:
 

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So these $18 mics are just as good as ones costing 10x that? I guess I could try them and find out!
http://www.shars.com/products/measuring/micrometers/1-2-solid-metal-frame-outside-micrometer

I'm just curious why there is such a huge price difference. I get that labor costs and QC cost money, but how can something that costs 1/10 the price be just as accurate?

Levels of accuracy, the higher end stuff is accurate well beyond what most of us hobbyists really need, so a $300 micrometer good for an honest 0.0005" or better seems about the same as a $30 one reliable for 0.002".

For someone who truly needs the accuracy I'm sure they can tell the difference. Most of us can't.
 

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Well when more and more people are going with the stuff that can be thrown away and bought again for less than round trip shipping to his shop he's got to do something.

More and more people are being dumbed down to accept the poorest quality in tools and other "durable" goods.
 
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I thought it was interesting that the long island review had links to cheap Micrometers on Amazon, but not too any of the higher quality ones they raved about.
I found some old Proto mics. One of them was stick so I took it apart. Seems like it's ok. I just need to reassemble it and calibrate it. The price was right! If it doesn't work I'll get a set of Central ones or something cheap and see how that works. I'd like to use the same ones as the students, so I can tell them they work fine. In the meantime I'll keep an eye out for better ones.
 

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I was looking at used name brand ones, but I ended up going with some full digital made by igaging (terrible name, makes me want to gag) but they had decent reviews and the price was right. I am not a machinist and I wanted something that would give repeatable results. I really like that I can swap to metric if needed. The set was normally $220 and I got them for a bit under $200, this is the 0 to 4" so it gave me a decent starting set. I will report back once they arrive.
 

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I thought it was interesting that the long island review had links to cheap Micrometers on Amazon, but not too any of the higher quality ones they raved about.
I found some old Proto mics. One of them was stick so I took it apart. Seems like it's ok. I just need to reassemble it and calibrate it. The price was right! If it doesn't work I'll get a set of Central ones or something cheap and see how that works. I'd like to use the same ones as the students, so I can tell them they work fine. In the meantime I'll keep an eye out for better ones.

They explain that on the site. Basically they can't match Amazon prices on lower end stuff.

Why do we ask you to check the Amazon price? It is no surprise that Amazon undersells just about everyone and there is no way that we can compete with them. By buying directly from Amazon you will be getting the best price, often up to 20% to 30% off list. Free shipping is sometimes included, and they offer a convenient return policy. And, if it says "sold and shipped by Amazon" you can be reasonably sure that you will get the genuine article and not one of the Chinese imitations.
 

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I used Polish import mics when I was machining torpedo fins (vanes) 20 years ago. $25 for the 0-1 and 1-2. Made thousands of them. Never scrapped one because of measuring errors either.


I was going to suggest the same thing. I worked as a machinist for 20 years with a set of VIS Poland mic's and they were good enough to put parts that I made in orbit. :beer:


Truthfully as someone who ran a Parker Majestic surface grinder for years mic's just get you close anyway. :thumbup:
 
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