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Looking for opinions on insulating my "crawlspace" (long post!)

tk421

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Well guys, this is house related, but im hoping i can still post it here!

I need some opinions on what to do about insulating my "crawlspace", though the space is a little weird. The house was built in 1955, about 900sq ft, and has block foundation walls (there are only 1.5-2 courses of block visible on the outside of the house). Inside the block foundation there is a slab poured, almost like a garage floor. The floor joists then sit on top of the block, but the bottom of the joists only sit about 6in above the slab. Hope this gives you an idea of what im talking about.

Now, that being said, the only way to access the space is through the floors. The crawlspace has vents, but they are tiny. Even if one could get inside, theres no room to crawl around under there.

Ive upgraded the energy efficiency of the house significantly: double pane, gas filled windows, fiberglass exterior doors with screen doors, blown in wall insulation, and 15" of total insulation in the attic.

Unfortunately, i laid tile in the in the bathroom and kitchen without insulating the floors because i just didnt think about it at the time. I bought the house in the summer and, of course, the floors werent cold at the time! However, I intend on replacing the original 3/4" hardwood floor in the living room (3/4" hardwood with no subfloor, attached directly to the joists).

If i remove the living room floor, down to the joists, i can easily insulate the living room floor. However, i was thinking of maybe using rigid foam to lay flat on the slab and insulate as far as i can get it to slide in any direction. I could still use fiberglass under the living room as well as the foam.

What do you guys think?
 
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tk421

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Saw this picture on buildingscience.com. Possible option? Of course, i wouldnt be able to do this under any of the rooms other than the living room.

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"Figure 7: Cavity Insulation with Vapor Barrier—Adding impermeable foil faced insulating sheathing over fiberglass cavity insulation is a hybrid approach that uses the best qualities of both materials. Note that the optimum location for the airspace is above the cavity insulation. Are you folks paying attention at the EPA Energy Star Program? Makes for warmer floors—this is the same detail that should be used under bedrooms over garages."
 

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Wierd way to build a house, but I have a similar situation in one section of my home. The breakfast nook has floor joists almost on top of the concrete cover for the home's old cistren (filled and no longer used) leaving about 6" clearance. The tile floor there is very cold.

Here's my opinion, but get someone else that knows before you do this. New homes don't have vents through the crawlspace walls....so I'd try to make it more like a new house.

1. Install flexible membrane and weeping tiles to keep moisture out of the crawl space.
2. Install exterior grade polystrene to outside of foundation covering the exposed and buried section down to the frost line. The stuff I used had a rough stucko type material applied to the outside of the polystrene. Use it to block the vents too.

That should warm up your floor some.

Your drawing looks pretty good too, but I'm not sure how you get in there to do that if you only have 6" to work with. Hire a 4 year old?

Phil
 
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tk421

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Thanks for the info HB. I would definitely look into that as a long term solution, but being as we're only going to be here another winter or maybe two, i was looking for something a little less involved.

The reason for this is because of the astronomical electric bill i received this month. The heat pump i had put in last year is running quite a bit and i think a lot of cold is coming up through the floors.
 

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The house I grew up in had only a crawl space but it was not insulated either. The only vents were screened panels at the access points and my Dad would always exchange them for insulated solid panels for the winters. At least it kept the cold wind out of the crawl space during the winter months. I really don't remember if it made a difference or not but logic tells me it did.
Charles
 
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