Looking for some jack stands
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71goldss
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Not sure I’d really trust the stability or strength of that hockey puck being on there. I see a lot of custom shops just using rags or small towels for protection against scratches.
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WWheeler
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A hockey puck is fine/perfect for a jack stand pad. Been using them for 40 years. MUCH stronger and durable than any hardwood, which is also perfectly fine to use for that purpose.
All that said, I really like the Daytona 6 ton stands and the jack stand pads they sell that fit them perfectly. Here they are set next to a Craftsman 4 ton.
All that said, I really like the Daytona 6 ton stands and the jack stand pads they sell that fit them perfectly. Here they are set next to a Craftsman 4 ton.
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71goldss
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I have no problem with the factory exact fit covers, but cut/uncut hockey pucks just seem like an accident waiting to happen. I’m definitely no expert on the subject, but with all of the chatter on jack stand safety the past couple of years, adding another diy element into the mix seems foolish to me. Just my opinion.
ajchien
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Must admit, I have never seen the “Engineered to comply with” label for a jackstand before.
ajchien
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I use hockey pucks on a jack saddle if im trying to spread out the load a bit more. However, my hockey pucks tend to crack after about a year of use. I usually toss it and replace when I see the first sign of a crack. How durable are your hockey pucks?
71goldss
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But would you use a hockey puck on top of your narrow and notched jack “stand“ saddle? Not me! Hell no!!!
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ajchien
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I only selectively use the hockey puck on my jack saddle, not on my jack stand.
I do not use anything in between my jackstand and vehicle.
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I wound up getting 2 of the HF Daytona sets that looks like the Esco. $100/set and I had a 10% off coupon. I looked at them in the store and they looked very nice. Welds look great. Some of the reviews of the Esco's complained about crappy welds.
I used them to support my 06 Tundra. Very sturdy. I also used a hockey puck on top of each stand to keep the top from getting damaged.
Please HF haters: don't tell me how bad HF is. Everything's made over there.
I like the flat top of this type of stand. I always support under the frames. I never really liked the top of the ratcheting type unless I was supporting the axle.
3 Ton Jack Stands with Circular Pads
Amazing deals on this 3T Circular Pad Jack Stands at Harbor Freight. Quality tools & low prices.www.harborfreight.com
Those hockey pucks give me pause . . .
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Black300zx
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I've got a ~12yr old pair of HF 6tons and a pair of 3T Esco. It's nice having two different style stand to cater to what part of a vehicle I'm trying to support. Rear axle of my F150? The saddle on the HFs is perfect. Subframe of my Z? The flat-topped Escos are the ticket.
I think you'll be perfectly happy with either.
I think you'll be perfectly happy with either.
mike93lx
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In case you ever want to upgrade, the escos are available with saddle posts as well
so four us jacks could support around 36k lb and not tip over on your head ? sounds like a winner
jrsavoie
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Are US in ACLS made in the USA?Second for US Jack ones, hands down worth the extra money for an '06 Tundra. I use them on my '07 Sequoia, lifted about 2.5" and need the extra jack stand height. Rebuilt a good majority of my front end trusting my life to these (had other backups, but these were primary on the weight). 1st Gen Tundras and 1st Gen Sequoias are very similar so confident these would work well for you.
Link:
Buy U.S. Jack D-41610, 6-Ton Heavy Duty Rachet Jack Stand
U.S. Jack 6-Ton Heavy Duty Rachet Jack Stand D-41610. ✅U.S. Jack authorized distributor ✅. ☎ (800) 884-5767 Mon-Fri 8:00 AM - 5:00 PM ET or order online 24/7megadepot.com
I didn't see anything indicating so at a very quick glance
Black300zx
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Nice to know, thanks!
The ones I bought about 5 years ago were . . .
From their website;
U.S. Jack Company was founded in 1988 to become the premier provider of hydraulic jacks, pumps, and more. The product designs and tooling were purchased from Auto Specialties Manufacturing when they discontinued their after-market business in 1988. Auto Specialties Manufacturing (AUSCO) had been producing automotive jacks and service equipment since the early 1930’s. U.S. Jack Company has continued the tradition that AUSCO started of fine quality American made products.
In April of 2000, a fire at the original production location came very close to forever eliminating one more manufacturer of American made products. But, like our products, our team doesn’t quit, and the tenacity of the entire U.S. Jack staff brought it back from the ashes in the most literal sense.
Today U.S. Jack works with a number of OEM accounts supplying specialized hydraulic jacks tailored to meet their needs. Our products are also sold through our network of service centers and established distributors which can be located from our web site using the map of the United States.
Nearly 80% of our business is under contract with the federal government either through our own contract with the General Services Administration (GSA) or contracts being fulfilled through a number of our customers, some of which include BAE Systems, Lockheed-Martin and Boeing Aerospace.
We take a great deal of pride in the work we do to support our troops with American-made equipment. Supporting other small businesses within our community is another point of company pride.
All U.S. Jack products carry a one year warranty on material and workmanship and we have over 170 active authorized service centers across the United States. U.S. Jack is all about pride in American made products, keeping our fellow Americans working, and supporting our troops with the highest quality products possible.
turnthewrench 2.0
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Yep! They defy engineering.
jrsavoie
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Any domestic company that doesn't display a made in the USA logo is throwing away business.
I do my best to buy domestic products, and sometimes just do without if I can't find them.
I don't often go to extra trouble to find out where something is made. If I don't see a logo, I move along.
I might come back if I don't find something. Else.
ericlar80
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This test was a bit bogus. Each time the USA Jack stand was tested, he either didn’t show the end of the test or didn’t mention the fact that the stand frame was clearly bent. For comparison, he showed each and every other stand being tested to completion and also mentioned damage. It’s the first time I’ve seen a deliberate omission from PF.
The US Jack stands are very stable, but their frame is going to bend if it tips over. They probably don’t handle side loads that well given their thinness and I don’t think they are the best design.
Handle a side load? For vertical jack stands?
BTW, I thought the same thing you mentioned, he seemed a bit biased towards the USJ stands.
ericlar80
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A side load on the vehicle during service or using them on an inclined surface will both induce a side load. I’m not saying they are dangerous, just that there are better designs out there.
What affordable jack stands are available in which all the individual welds on every jack stand have been tested by non-destructive methods, other than visual inspection ?
Non-destructive Testing of Welds
Welding processes and methods can introduce contaminants and metallurgical defects into the weld.
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whateg01
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Have you seen some the welds that the "average Joe" says are good looking welds? From the mig welds that somebody tried to make look like tig to cold welds that look smooth, there are more people unqualified to make that determination than there are qualified.
mike93lx
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The lack of destructive testing doesn't mean a visual check is a good alternative or even valid.What affordable jack stands are available in which all the individual welds on every jack stand have been tested by non-destructive methods, other than visual inspection ?
Non-destructive Testing of Welds
Welding processes and methods can introduce contaminants and metallurgical defects into the weld.accendoreliability.com
It's a nearly pointless way to evaluate weld quality, especially when covered in paint.
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Black300zx
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To me, it's kind of disappointing to see subjective commentary about paint covered welds included in a comparison review. I mean, sure, you can identify some gross defects, but you definitely can't call a weld "good" when it's covered in paint.
ericlar80
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Maybe a better way to go about this is to say the welds look good given what we can see. That’s about all you can do when you buy something welded/painted from a retailer.
And, besides, even if he cross sectioned the part to show the weld was good or bad, that would only be a single weld and not indicative of the one you would receive if you bought one.
Firebrick43
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so how does a 6x6 crib collapsing cause a 16" drop. I agree as well that it sounds like the cribbing was not installed properly.
89MustangGX
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I like the looks of the ESCO/HF stands. After reading reviews, it seems HF has the advantage in QC (uneven legs, poor weld quality reported on the ESCO), as well as the better rubber top on the HF. BUT, I like the idea of the interchangeable saddle and rubber top that the ESCO offers. So...are they close enough design that the tubes are the same size? Can you drop an ESCO saddle tube in a HF stand? Maybe we can we get some measurements and see? Or, is this just a really bad idea?
whateg01
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No, with a few exceptions, you absolutely cannot visually tell a weld is bad when covered in paint. And even naked, most laypeople would be unable to identify a good vs bad weld other than to say one is pretty.You can certainly see a bad weld covered in paint
i didnt think he favored us jack at all. he said some of the others had good looking welds. were built like a tank. and numerous other compliments. even at the end i didnt hear him say anything about buying the us jack.
us jack is clearly walking a fine line between a sturdy sufficient design , not excessively heavy from additional reinforcement that also drives up labor costs. already many people snivel about the high cost.
Didn't they do the best as far as stability?
Firebrick43
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why do you care if the frame gets bent if it tips over? More than likely you would be crushed would you not? But that is the point, its the least likely to tip over.
It looks like the cross member got bent under the pumpkin. Not necessarily is going to happen on every vehicle, and is less likely to happen on the others because of their smaller footprint which makes them more likely to tip in the first place.
Conversation would go like this
Hey honey! good news, I lost a finger when the car fell off its jackstands but as least the HF stands didn't get all bent up like those crappy US jackstand would of!
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ericlar80
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Credibility in testing and reporting. You shouldn’t call out damage on one product and ignore it on the other.
Firebrick43
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It didn't get damaged because of a failure of the product, it was damaged because of uncontrolled circumstances(the way the vehicle fell)
all the others failed in some way or another
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ericlar80
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I think you failed to watch the video. He literally mentions damage on the first set of stands he tested with the lateral push, shown at 1:35.
Also, on another set of tests, the US Jack model is the only one he didn’t show through the completion of the test.
Firebrick43
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Ok, he did mention the set at 135 but it was severe. on the us jackstand it was very minor of the cross bar, not the " but their frame is going to bend if it tips over." because the one that didnt get hit did not bend.
Also which test did he not show to completion?
ericlar80
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Consistently increases credibility. He even talks about having to repair the first stand he tested (Apex). I didn’t hear that for any others and the bend was not shown in subsequent US Jack testing. Did he have a 2nd set?
Time stamp is around 10:08