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InsanePyro

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Just moved into a new place and whoever built the place put all the outlets in the garage on one side. I could perhaps deal with if it weren't for the fact I have a 18ft Ranger boat down the the center and don't feel like draping extension cords over it and what not. The good new is the walls are unfinished so getting to the wiring is no problem.
 
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Id get a basic electrical wiring book from home depot or something.

Are you doing romex or conduit? Youll need a bender if you are doing conduit.

What you need to do is either ad a circuit (if you have a subpanel in the garage with open spaces) or tie into one of the existing outlets and run hot neutral and ground over to the other side of the garage, come down on one end and then run from one outlet to the next down the wall. so if you are running 3 outlets it would look like this

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The red is the outlets, and the blue is the wire (hot neutral and ground)
 

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I'm just asking for a few pointers as I've pretty much never dealt with AC wiring only DC


Be prepared for a ton of the "just get a pro to do it, or you'll you die" or worse yet, not follow the code posts.

Do your research, get a book and you can do it. I wired my entire 40'x40' shop, which includes a lift and I had only installed a few ceiling fans and outlets prior to doing so.
 
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Not following code is the biggest thing I'm worried about. And I'll be doing romex as thats whats already in there

The other thing I was wondering about is there is already 2 or 3 outlets on the one circuit that is from my house into the garage...will adding any more cause bad things to happen?
 

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If there is only 3 outlets on the circuit now, adding 3 or 4 more is not a problem. In a garage the outlets need to be GFCI protected. Also size your new wire to the same size as the existing wire. 20 amp breaker = #12 wire, 15A breaker = #14 wire. Also in a garage it's best to place the outlets high on the wall, at least 50". Though also not required, it's best to not place lower than 18".
 
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Thats another funny thing...there is only one GFCI outlet in this circuit...the one on the side of my house which then the wiring runs under ground and then into the garage
 

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That gfci is probably the first outlet on the circuit. The rest are downstream and protected by the first outlet.

On the drawing I did you would want to put a GFCI on the outlet that the wiring comes down into first if you add a new circuit. If you pull off of the old outlets just go off the last one in the line and come over and the 3 new outlets will be GFCI protected too.

Using romex will make this really easy as you won't have to learn to bend conduit. My garage has a mix of both but for ease and speed I am just going to use romex to rewire the ceiling and add a few outlets like you are.
 
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Yes the one is protecting the rest...already set it off once...was working on a friends PC and the power supply took a dump and popped it. So since that one is GFCI I don't need to add any? I don't think I'll add a circuit as that means I'd have to dig and all that stuff...just add a outlet or two on the other side of the garage and I'd be happy.
 

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First pointer would be figure out if you want to add outlets to an existing circuit or do you have the space to add a whole new circuit. The standard for adding a new circuit would be a 20A breaker and 12-2 wire w/ground. I don't believe there is any certain number of outlets that can be on one circuit but if you are only talking about adding 4 or 5 new duplex receptacles, it would probably be ok to use the existing one.
Personally, I would add a whole new circuit since the existing outlets are probably on one circuit. It would be a good idea to have 2 different circuits so if you are running things with a high draw like a small mig welder and air compressor you wont be popping breakers.
As far as wiring it yourself, it is very simple. However the most important step is to insure the power is off to wherever you are working. Black is power, white is neutral and bare wire is a ground. In the panel the black wire would go to the breaker, white and bare wire to the neutral bar. The back of the receptacles are labeled for black and white, and the ground will be at the bottom. Also the terminals for black usually have gold-colored screws and white will have silver screws. When wiring from one circuit to the next, the bare wire will need to be twisted together and one leg shortened as there is only one ground terminal on the receptacle. When making the connections hook the wire around the screw so that when you are tightening the screw clockwise the wire is being tightened. In other words, looking at the top of the screw, the wire should start from the left and loop around the screw to the right.
 

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Wow I'm a slow typer, when I started my reply there was only 3 posts. Lots of good advise here, but a book with some pictures to explain would make everything 10x easier, or youtube if you can sort through all the amateur posts!
 
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I don't think I need a new circuit...at most I'd ever run on it is a small air compressor...plus I really don't have the time do the digging and such...so yeah I'll probably just grab a newbie book and have at it
 

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I'd also recommend putting some outlets in the ceiling on a separate, protected circuit. Those would be perfect for your boat's battery charger. Actually, I find myself reaching up and grabbing the cord reel is faster/easier than looking for an extension cord, and plugging it into a regular wall outlet.
 

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Yes the one is protecting the rest...already set it off once...was working on a friends PC and the power supply took a dump and popped it. So since that one is GFCI I don't need to add any? I don't think I'll add a circuit as that means I'd have to dig and all that stuff...just add a outlet or two on the other side of the garage and I'd be happy.

The one GFCI is all you need. For convenience you can change the feed to the garage on the existing GFCI to the "Line" side and add a new GFCI in the garage in the first upstream position. That way if you pop the GFCI in the garage you don't need to go to the one on the side of the house to reset.
 

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Thats another funny thing...there is only one GFCI outlet in this circuit...the one on the side of my house which then the wiring runs under ground and then into the garage

Keep in mind that regular NM-B romex is not permitted to run underground so u should check to see what type of wire is running underground. If its a grey or black jacketed romex, then your fine!
 

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....In the panel, the black wire would go to the breaker, white and bare wire to the neutral bar...

Be careful! If adding a branch circuit in a subpanel, the "bare"(ground) should NOT go to the neutral bar. And the neutral bar should be insulated from the panel!
 
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As I said I'm not really interested in digging and what not right now....maybe next summer...but I do like the idea of changing the first outlet in the garage into a GFCI outlet
 

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If your walls are unfinished your looking at 4-8hours for 4 or so recpts. Make sure you put them 48" from the floor ( code and if you sell your house any home inspector will call you on that if not at that hieght) also run 12-2 romex ( 20 amp ) and buy 1 20 amp GFCI plug for about every 2-3 you install ( the GFCI's have a line side and load side, power in LINE and Power out to your new plugs LOAD) buy 20 plugs as well and you should be set for what ever project you will do in the future. If you skimp and buy the 15amp GFCI you will more then likley trip it with saws, grinders...and you air compressor...hope that helps out
 

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If your walls are unfinished your looking at 4-8hours for 4 or so recpts. Make sure you put them 48" from the floor ( code and if you sell your house any home inspector will call you on that if not at that hieght)also run 12-2 romex ( 20 amp ) and buy 1 20 amp GFCI plug for about every 2-3 you install ( the GFCI's have a line side and load side, power in LINE and Power out to your new plugs LOAD) buy 20 plugs as well and you should be set for what ever project you will do in the future. If you skimp and buy the 15amp GFCI you will more then likley trip it with saws, grinders...and you air compressor...hope that helps out

Where are you located? Who's code is that?
 
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As I said I'm not really interested in digging and what not right now....maybe next summer...but I do like the idea of changing the first outlet in the garage into a GFCI outlet

You don't have to dig to check what wire is running underground. Just open up the junction box that the underground feed is running into and see what it is.

Also, don't forget that if you're gonna have 2 GFCIs on the same circuit, the first GFCI must have the downstream wire(the wire feeding the next GFCI) connected to the "line" terminals NOT the "load" terminals. Otherwise, you will have issues!
 

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put them higher than 48", if you lean a sheet of plywood against the wall you can't get to the outlet. also my bench is 42" tall, having the outlets a little higher works out nice.
 
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