lost my crimpers help me find a replacement

[toplessHO]

I have (had) a set of crimper/machine screw cutter that crimped insulated/non insulated and also the packard/delco terminals (see attached pic)
these did the bare wire part as well as the part that crimps into the insulation
in a type of M configuration.
Ive had these for over 35 years and have never seen another pair like them.
Of course I would show a pic of them if I could find them but alas they came up MIA. Name on them was Walden if I remember right. They had an A,B stamped in the head for what I would guess was 2 different size terminals. Also pictured is a pair I found named Waldom (which could be same manufacturer,just my poor memory) but dont know if these work on the terminal I use.

 

[jallyn]

is it the Waldom 21-3000 you are looking for?

 

[ssbtech]

I've been through a few different types of crimpers and terminals.

I have a set of ratcheting crimpers from Canadian Tire for insulated terminals and went through several brands of terminals before finding one that didn't pull off the wire. Even the terminals from the same brand of crimper pulled right off the wire. I eventually settled on the Tyco PIDG series of terminals for use with that crimper.

These crimpers http://www.waytekwire.com/item/560/CRIMP-TOOL-W-INTERCHANGEABLE/ appear to be a custom brand made by Pressmaster. Providing options with interchangeable dies, they'll likely be my next set.

 

[toplessHO]

wish I would have written down the # but never figured on losing them.
All I know is they fit the terminals pictured which was for about #14-18ga wire.

dont get me wrong I have about every type crimper known to man,replaceable dies etc.
its just that those were obviously made for that terminal type

 

[Moose-LandTran]

its just that those were obviously made for that terminal type

Those terminals just look like normal open-barrel uninsulated 1/4" terminals.

 

[toplessHO]

Those terminals just look like normal open-barrel uninsulated 1/4" terminals.

should have shown more than just those I guess,have pin style,right angle etc also

 

[Moose-LandTran]

should have shown more than just those I guess,have pin style,right angle etc also

The important bit is the open barrel, which appears to be the same as any other 1/4" crimp terminal. Is there something different or special about these terminals that means you can't use any other crimp pliers?

 

[toplessHO]

The important bit is the open barrel, which appears to be the same as any other 1/4" crimp terminal. Is there something different or special about these terminals that means you can't use any other crimp pliers?

yes it folds the crimp into a sort of M with the stripped wire in one die and the insulation in the other so that the insulation is actually pierced

 

[jeepinerdeep]

I use these Molex at work which covers open barrel spectrum pretty well. No help on the strippers though.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OVF2AKI/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[toplessHO]

found these which have a couple more terminal dies but no stripper or machine screw cutter

 

[ssbtech]

yes it folds the crimp into a sort of M with the stripped wire in one die and the insulation in the other so that the insulation is actually pierced

According to the Molex crimp standards, piercing the insulation is not a suitable crimp.

http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/ats/TM-638000029.pdf

 

[toplessHO]

According to the Molex crimp standards, piercing the insulation is not a suitable crimp.

http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/ats/TM-638000029.pdf

ok bad description
thats a nice reference manual

 

[toplessHO]

figures 9-20 and 9-23 are the only methods Ive seen on factory wiring harnesses Ive repaired and or duplicated.

 

[notlob]

Amazon has 3 Waldom crimpers:

http://www.amazon.com/Waldom-Electronics-W-HT-1919-CRIMPING-MOLEX/dp/B001GMYU9S/ref=sr_1_1?srs=9370866011&ie=UTF8&qid=1455332697&sr=8-1&keywords=crimper

http://www.amazon.com/Waldom-Electronics-W-HT-1921-CRIMPING-CONTACTS/dp/B001DPS3W8/ref=sr_1_2?srs=9370866011&ie=UTF8&qid=1455332697&sr=8-2&keywords=crimper

http://www.amazon.com/Waldom-Electronics-21-3000-Molex-Terminals/dp/B005GBJ5AE/ref=sr_1_3?srs=9370866011&ie=UTF8&qid=1455332697&sr=8-3&keywords=crimper

 

[kabinenroller]

I just bought this one.
http://www.skygeek.com/eclipse-tool-300-005-lunar-frame-with-die.html
I also ordered the die set for insulated and non isolated terminals.
It works great.

 

[toplessHO]

Hummm wonder If I can buy dies that fit one of my crimpers

 

[Wamsutta]

For open barrel connectors you need the Sargent 1028-CT

 

[mikebaker1129]

Notlob pretty much nailed with his post of the Amazon links.

 

[BDT/NWMN]

According to the Molex crimp standards, piercing the insulation is not a suitable crimp.

http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/ats/TM-638000029.pdf

Thanks for posting the link for that manual.. I saved a pdf copy for reference; and to share with others.

 

[toplessHO]

For open barrel connectors you need the Sargent 1028-CT

those look just like the ones I posted a pic of in post #10
found some for $25 shipped,Im sending an inquiry as to COO

 

[RRmech]

T&B

Been using my late Grandfather's since 1981 as a RR Electrician/Mechanic.
Heavy duty and tough-as-nails...................................................

Steve

 

[Wamsutta]

those look just like the ones I posted a pic of in post #10
found some for $25 shipped,Im sending an inquiry as to COO

The real ones will be made in USA.

 

[toplessHO]

yea heres whats confusing
the Sargents listed above say they are made in USA
others like I show look exactly the same but list as unknown on COO
Ive always followed that if its not marked USA either the sticker was removed that said China or it was marked on the box (thats not included)
was supposed to be a rule that if its not made in USA it must be marked

 

[toplessHO]

heres an example
one on top is Ideal and its clearly marked Made IN Taiwan
one below is exactly same crimper body,marked Prestige on grip
grip is slightly longer on it so suspect it covers the area thats stamped "Made In Taiwan"

 

[Moose-LandTran]

They're not the same.

The nose shape is different, the rivets are different, that "triangle" in the middle of the mechanism is different. Bottom set has a hump in front of the bottom handle, top set doesn't. No doubt a copied design, but not the same.

 

[toplessHO]

you are trying to nit pick
Im showing that one set is marked made in Taiwan the other isnt marked at all.
So where is the Prestige set made?

 

[Moose-LandTran]

you are trying to nit pick

You're saying they're identical, which they're not. Almost all ratchet crimpers appear the same, regardless of manufacturer or where they were made.

Im showing that one set is marked made in Taiwan the other isnt marked at all.
So where is the Prestige set made?

Could be anywhere. You've established they're likely not made in the US, i'm not sure it matter where they're made as long as they do the job and are of a suitable quality.

I have lots of tools that aren't marked with a country of origin, but quality and functionality is more important to me.

 

[four.cycle]

"...supposed to be a rule that if its not made in USA it must be marked..."

the COO must be marked on the packaging, if not on the item itself.
which is why you can't tell if current-production Craftsman is made in China or on the moon without the original package.

 

[toplessHO]

the COO must be marked on the packaging, if not on the item itself.
which is why you can't tell if current-production Craftsman is made in China or on the moon without the original package.

or the microscopic gold lettered labels stuck on with spit,that fall off before the tool is used

 

[pi_guy]

Stripper and crimpers wear. So something in service since 1981 is worn and needs to be checked or tossed. Considering many electrical issues are connection related
Saying that the supplementary Snap On catalog has a number of very good crimpers.
A few use a mechanical arm to move jaws in proper position, where most crimpers are pined and move in an arc.

 

[toplessHO]

Ive found a pair of Klien jaws that look like they will fit my ratchet crimpers
going to call the place tomorrow and see.All of that style crimpers I have
are adjustable pressure so hopefully can adjust for wear.

 

[toplessHO]

so found a solution and learned something also
all crimpers with replaceable dies arent the same
I tried to put the new Klein dies in the Prestige brand ones first(probably generics)
and they didnt close completely.
then tried the Ideals and they fit and work great. Bad part is I use the Ideals alot more as they have insulated dies for 10-18awg. The others are set up for BNC connectors.

 

[My Old Tools]

Ideal Crimpmaster, dies for every type of terminal.

 

[toplessHO]

Ideal Crimpmaster, dies for every type of terminal.

got a pic of them?

 

[My Old Tools]

got a pic of them?

 

[AndrewDouglasBird]

I bought these a while back and have liked them so far.

http://www.waytekwire.com/item/408/Delphi-12085270-Weather-Pack-Crimping-Tool-/

I think I only paid around $40 for them though, but have no idea where I got them from. Stamped "Made in the U.S.A." on one side. Very sturdy, and while I'm not really a fan of ratcheting crimpers, they do work very well.

 

[toplessHO]

MOT got a close up of the dies and part numbers?
same Ideal crimper as mine,just newer