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Ive noticed something here, there is an awful lot of love for craftsmen. I can understand some have good experiences with them and I myself have a few craftsmen tools, but I feel they are cheap and inferior to most tools out there. I know this topic is going to garner alot of hate and whatnot..

1. The power tools are garbage. Cheap, unreliable, I know of no one who professionally depends on their tools will buy them, they frequently change designs, good luck getting parts or repair and even the local pawnshops sell them REAL cheap and cant give them away. I broke a Cman circular saw building a shed with a buddy (his saw and hardly used before hand) in a day, yet my 10 year old makita had NO issues. Friend has a 14v? nicad Cman drill, its so underpowered its sad-yet my 20 year old makita 9.6V put sit to shame and the batteries are old as dirt. My grandfather has several of the older bakelite type plastic tools, circular saw, sander, belt sander, hammer/VSR drill. They seem fine and my dad has the same circular saw and had a VSR drill (it died after 20 years and using it to drill into cement).. Course the things are very bulky and heavy compared to todays stuff and over 40 years old too!

But thing is, todays stuff I equate to being ont he level of the real cheap black and decker stuff you can buy at the local walmart/kmart. I dont know of anyone professionally who would bother with them when a dewalt or even ryobi is better quality imho. Most pros I know or even serious DIY will buy ryobi, dewalt, makita or milwaukee (what I own myself). They depend on their tools not to break and ya know what-they dont.

2. The mechanics tools are terrible these days. Laser etched numbers that rub off, VERY cheap ratchets (stanley at walmart are better!) they break, uncomfortable raised panel tools, etc. Friend of mine bought a 300pc set, we broke the 3/8 and 1/4 ratchets in 2 hours using it to work on a dirtbike for cripes sake! Even worse is I broke a 1/4 Cman ratchet removing battery terminals, 6 replacements later I gave up. Same cheapo husky from home depot hasnt given up in 6 years..hell I finally lost it otherwise Id still use it.my dads set from the 80's is good (still ratchets leave alot to be desired), but you can see the quality difference.

I mean I understand for the person who hardly uses the tools they might be acceptable, but for anyone who uses them more than occasionally wtf do you do if it breaks. Oh yea yea go to sears they will replace it, well if it didnt break I wouldnt need to bother! I have alot of cheap tools, Im a mechanic by trade and have a box full of husky, SK, stanley, HF and alot of snap on/mac/matco. I bought what worked but i didnt fall into paying my life away to the tool trucks. Somehow Ive broken very few tools over the years using them professionally and not many of them are pro tool truck tools. I had an entire CMan set, the nice 300pc you can get on sale at christmas and stuff. I broke every ratchet at least 1x and wound up rubbing off the laser etching-BTW i bought it before I turned wrenches for a living. I sold almost all of it off before going pro and never looked back.

Maybe I just hate CMan cause the stuff Ive used seem cheap and broke on me?
 
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You mean Craftsman?
 

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So do we have a '**** stirring in a very old pot' gif?

So you have a purpose?
Can anything said possibly sway you?
 

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New imported CM perhaps but I don't feel that way with my older CM which have been reliable
 

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I used the **** out of my USA RP ratchets(bought in the early 2000s) and I don't remember ever breaking one, and I'm not a small guy, nor did I treat my tools nearly as well as I do now, because I didn't care and they had a lifetime warranty that were still USA made stuff back then, so I typically tried to break them. I'm not saying they were smooth, because they pretty much sucked but back then I couldn't afford to buy better and didn't feel that was necessary. I did eventually upgrade to the low profile 60t ratchets and never broke one of them either.

I now have tools that are MUCH nicer(Matco, SO, Armstrong, etc.) and I'll still keep original Cman tools that I have had for years, they can go to my son when he gets older, or they can be loaners. I still use that stuff all the time.
 
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I like my Craftsman tools, really do .... had them for about 35 years. Like my table saw, my router, all of them. Cost me about a third for what some pay for tools ... and I'll put mine up to any made.

Why the hate? Just wondering???
 

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Well, If we're going to beat this horse into 2015 here's my take... I fully agree that the ratchets are sub par compared to others (even cheap imported ones) on the market. That being said the USA craftsman RP ratchets I bought in the early 2000's have had 3ft cheaters on them and still work today. I hate the plastic selector and coarse teeth compared to my others but it is what it is. The wrench feel you complained about? Well imho that is a bit overblown and a matter of preference. Some people like the extra meat the RP adds to the feel. The wrench value is fairly decent imo, and i would probably still take the newer non lobster claw chinese over the made in Inda offerings at Harbor Freight. All tool companies have a target market, price point and level of quality they aim for, and love them or hate them for decades Craftsman has owned a big segment of the market. They could never be Snap-On if they wanted to be in every hometown brick and mortar store that joe homeowner shops at when all he is looking for is a socket set for his spark plugs, kids bike, lawnmower and nothing else. On they other hand, Craftsman, like Harbor Freight has given people exposure to the world of tools and DIY which empowered many to learn skills and fix themselves out of a bind, or improve their house/car/whatever without paying someone else to do it. Some tools are decent, some terrible and some outstanding. Its the ebb and flow of the consumer market. Love them or hate them I hope craftsman sticks around even though I feel they have lost their vision, much like many old american brands over time. Hopefully they can produce fair or better products at a reasonable cost and find ways to produce them here also. This is not a problem unique to tool brands but nearly every manufactured good these days.
 
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Ok something I have not seen discussed that probably deserves a little play. How can HF sell some high quality stuff (such as the pro line) for so cheap but craftsman on the cheap
Is just brutal?
 

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Its amazing to think about how the overall perception of Craftsman tools may have been different if they could have engineered something similar to the HF professional ratchets 15, 20 years ago and sold them as their standard ratchet. They could have kept the rest of the quality the same, and even raised prices on everything else to offset the cost of the ratchet. I think things would have been a lot different for Craftsman if that had been the case.
 

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yawnn.. i think the opposite.. more cf bashing than love in these forums.

Fairly simple.. CF made in USA is great stuff...made in china not so much...Pick and choose wisely when buying CF
 

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They could have owned the world had they taken the Sears catalog into this century. Amazon would still be just a jungle-river in South America. Yet another Amerrkin company run(into the ground) by greedy, self serving morons.
 

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Ok something I have not seen discussed that probably deserves a little play. How can HF sell some high quality stuff (such as the pro line) for so cheap but craftsman on the cheap
Is just brutal?

Sears is in its death throes and doesn't care to put any effort into Craftsman anymore, since it's probably the only area that's making them money? Just a guess.

Meanwhile, HF is gaining a lot of traction, and, for better or worse, they are on the upward trajectory. And they only have tools to worry about.

In any case, OP is 1000 posts in and just noticing Craftsman tools? C'mon.
 
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Oh I know it's a dead horse. But people keep suggesting them like its snap on and worth it's weight in gold. Oh you need this tool they say, well CMan has it and it's as good as snap on, you should buy it they say.

Disagree with them and it's like it's the end of the world to them. How could someone not like CMan???

30 years ago they were great for diy. But that time has long come and gone. Can't make junk forever and expect the brand name to carry you. But that's what they are doing
 
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