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KnurledNut
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Thanks a million for staying on topic in my thread, unlike the guys that just like to hear themselves talk too much.
That is a tremendous video.
LTT Ratcheting Screwdriver
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That is a tremendous video.
Professional Tool User
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The price as the tip of the iceberg is what caused me to scrutinize the product more closely. If you have been paying attention, then price is only one of my complaints. For the record, the Snap on ratcheting screwdriver is an overpriced tool I wouldn't buy at full price with my own money. The only reason I even have mine is because it is a hand me down. As for twice the price, someone already posted a price list for ratcheting screwdrivers on the thread and yet another person has said the European options on the list can potentially be had for even less than the prices on the list. The Megapro screwdriver with the ratcheting mechanism design and bit storage system that LTT reworked can be had for 35 Canadian Dollars at the time of posting. The Rolgear gearless ratcheting screwdriver I have can be had for even less.
MegaPro Ratcheting Multi-Bit Screwdriver
High quality, fine tooth ratcheting mechanismPull-out bit cartridge holds bits firmly but allows easy bit access Rotating cap allows application of pressure without unscrewing capIncludes 6 double-ended bits: square, Phillips, slot & TorxLifetime warranty
www.kmstools.com
Rolgear 15-in-1 Ratcheting Screwdriver
The Rolgear Multibit Ratchet Screwdriver features seven double-sided S2 steel driver bits and a stainless steel shaft that moonlights as 1/4" nut driver. That's 15 tools in one durable, easy-to-use screwdriver. This driver features Rolgear's innovative
www.kmstools.com
The competition you aspire to vs who your competition really is are not the same thing, unless you think you can make up for it with marketing BS like Harbor Freight or you don't believe that you have competition at all because of your captive customer base.
scooby074
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It should have been ESD safe IMHO
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**** Linus said himself he will stand behind his backpacks.
He caught a lot of Heat on the backpacks....
No one needs a $30 water bottle??
Sorry, not sure why anyone would buy the LMG Merch at his prices.
Many things I buy, I remove the branding immediately. Companies aren't paying me to advertise so, I certainly will not pay them to advertise the product.
I Unsubscribed from the channel after many, many years because of the backpack flack.
American Locomotive
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Linus is a personality. His merch is usually pretty quality, but it's that - branded merchandise. You're not buying it because you want a water bottle - you're buying it because you want an LTT water bottle.**** Linus said himself he will stand behind his backpacks.
He caught a lot of Heat on the backpacks....
No one needs a $30 water bottle??
Sorry, not sure why anyone would buy the LMG Merch at his prices.
Many things I buy, I remove the branding immediately. Companies aren't paying me to advertise so, I certainly will not pay them to advertise the product.
I Unsubscribed from the channel after many, many years because of the backpack flack.
I get it. But I don't want LTT anything.
For years he carried the Snap-On ratcheting screwdriver and gave it props. Lost the black one and got the orange version... And a few more for the crew. Most likely to assure his didn't walk off for a while.
I bet he tried to work out a deal with Snap-On to promote or rebrand one before he went with what he now sells.
But the reality is the LTT channel hasn't done much in the real world of consumer PC Tech for a couple years. Another reason I have unsubscribed. I also haven't built a PC from a new parts pile in almost 15yrs. No need, no gaming ever... Now a Firestick can play 4K video etc. and will suit my needs these days for a fraction of the cost.
I also tend to stray away from channels as they Go Big and commercialize every video.
The poop storm on the backpacks sealed his fate for me.
SledDriver
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Good god. The state of some of the responses in here.
It's as if anyone DARES to make a product which Snap-On already makes then you just can't help but throw insults and negativity. You don't care about enjoying your own tools, it's more important that you try and make other people hate theirs.
Anyone with half a brain can see that a huge amount of time, effort and money has gone into this driver. To say it's just a rebranded WorkPro is completely disingenuous. As far as I can tell the only thing from WorkPro is effectively the ratchet patent and bit holder patent. They've sourced their own manufacturer, brand new handle, brand new shaft, reworked the ratchet to change directions better, reduce backlash and increase smoothness/better tolerances. Thoughtful design - uses 20mm bits but can accomodate larger ones just fine so you're not locked in to LTT bits. Cancelled a $100,000+ contract, possibly at their loss, because one of the manufacturers wasn't up to scratch. Even from a distance you can see it's better conceived and built than 98% of tools on the market. Time will tell if it can compete with the market leaders in the 2%.
Not to mention that they've been completely open and honest about the process. When was the last time you ever saw a tool manufacturer literally purchasing competitors products so that they can be displayed and tested alongside your products at an open public event? They have literally put their product right next to Snap-On/Wera/Klein and said 'go ahead - compare them.' Not to mention that Linus and his team have been using Snap-On ratcheting drivers for years, so I suspect they know what a good ratcheting driver feels like.
In any case, whilst some of you can't help but moan about a product you've never even seen, let alone used, I'll welcome another entrant into the market who is investing significant resources to try and make a quality product with the interests of it's users in mind.
As for Linus, a quick glance at the sales availability tells me that they've sold 61,000 screwdrivers.
$4.3 million.
On a screwdriver.
In 36 hours.
I'm sure they're concerned by your whining.
It's as if anyone DARES to make a product which Snap-On already makes then you just can't help but throw insults and negativity. You don't care about enjoying your own tools, it's more important that you try and make other people hate theirs.
Anyone with half a brain can see that a huge amount of time, effort and money has gone into this driver. To say it's just a rebranded WorkPro is completely disingenuous. As far as I can tell the only thing from WorkPro is effectively the ratchet patent and bit holder patent. They've sourced their own manufacturer, brand new handle, brand new shaft, reworked the ratchet to change directions better, reduce backlash and increase smoothness/better tolerances. Thoughtful design - uses 20mm bits but can accomodate larger ones just fine so you're not locked in to LTT bits. Cancelled a $100,000+ contract, possibly at their loss, because one of the manufacturers wasn't up to scratch. Even from a distance you can see it's better conceived and built than 98% of tools on the market. Time will tell if it can compete with the market leaders in the 2%.
Not to mention that they've been completely open and honest about the process. When was the last time you ever saw a tool manufacturer literally purchasing competitors products so that they can be displayed and tested alongside your products at an open public event? They have literally put their product right next to Snap-On/Wera/Klein and said 'go ahead - compare them.' Not to mention that Linus and his team have been using Snap-On ratcheting drivers for years, so I suspect they know what a good ratcheting driver feels like.
In any case, whilst some of you can't help but moan about a product you've never even seen, let alone used, I'll welcome another entrant into the market who is investing significant resources to try and make a quality product with the interests of it's users in mind.
As for Linus, a quick glance at the sales availability tells me that they've sold 61,000 screwdrivers.
$4.3 million.
On a screwdriver.
In 36 hours.
I'm sure they're concerned by your whining.
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KnurledNut
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All you guys that obviously have no genuine interest in LTT, why are you even here?
To convince us of what we already know?
Im optimistic of this product. If it becomes a complete failure, at least he tried.
If you want to rain on his parade why not go start your own “Lets bash LTT thread”?
Your negativity is toxic.
To convince us of what we already know?
Im optimistic of this product. If it becomes a complete failure, at least he tried.
If you want to rain on his parade why not go start your own “Lets bash LTT thread”?
Your negativity is toxic.
mike93lx
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Can't handle dissent?
SledDriver
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Dissent based on what, your imagination?
mike93lx
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Lol.
KSJeff
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I saw this a couple of weeks ago since I follow most of the computer guys on youtube and I've been slinging computers/servers/routers for about 30 years now.
I've got several of the cheap harbor freight'ish removable bit 4-1 drivers around that I use on cases and another cheap mini set for laptops/phones/tablets.
I'm just not sure exactly where this fits in? Maybe if you sit and put cases on computers all day this would be nice, but I've never really even wished I had a ratcheting screwdriver for working on PCs.
That being said, if it ends up being great I'll probably buy it because I like small ventures like this and I like nice tools. My current favorite ratcheter in the box is a Vessel.
When someone gets their hands on it, I'd be interested in the review. Hopefully it's great. Always happy to have good tool choices.
I've got several of the cheap harbor freight'ish removable bit 4-1 drivers around that I use on cases and another cheap mini set for laptops/phones/tablets.
I'm just not sure exactly where this fits in? Maybe if you sit and put cases on computers all day this would be nice, but I've never really even wished I had a ratcheting screwdriver for working on PCs.
That being said, if it ends up being great I'll probably buy it because I like small ventures like this and I like nice tools. My current favorite ratcheter in the box is a Vessel.
When someone gets their hands on it, I'd be interested in the review. Hopefully it's great. Always happy to have good tool choices.
Checked the video now. It's an interesting product but a few points that he glosses over but bother me - there's a big point about making the handle smaller, but I guess that also makes it a bit weak for M5 and M6 fasteners? I'm sure the other brand has a big handle for a reason.
And regarding the shallow bits - in reality it can only accept 6 normal bits. Their proprietary bits probably won't be the best on the market and overall extra short bits aren't the most common. Besides, a bit dislike regarding bit drivers for me is how bulky they are at the end, and these short bits make that issue even worse. Wera could also use shorter bits and squeeze 12 in, but then it's non-standard...
Also, the shaft is stainless. Probably fine for a bit driver but I expect the "classic" tool brands use chrome-vanadium steel.
I like that linus is branching out and I always liked how a lot of his merch looked (though never had so much excess money to buy any of it). But if he says "this is the best screwdriver" of course people will take up on those words.
And regarding the shallow bits - in reality it can only accept 6 normal bits. Their proprietary bits probably won't be the best on the market and overall extra short bits aren't the most common. Besides, a bit dislike regarding bit drivers for me is how bulky they are at the end, and these short bits make that issue even worse. Wera could also use shorter bits and squeeze 12 in, but then it's non-standard...
Also, the shaft is stainless. Probably fine for a bit driver but I expect the "classic" tool brands use chrome-vanadium steel.
I like that linus is branching out and I always liked how a lot of his merch looked (though never had so much excess money to buy any of it). But if he says "this is the best screwdriver" of course people will take up on those words.
That thing is huge for working on electronics. A micro bit screwdriver with a swivel **** cap far more practical. In a industrial server racking situation I'd go straight to an m12/m18 screwgun. I think they missed the mark on that, and its probably a product to be generate revenue for them more than anything.
mike93lx
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Why else would they release a product other than revenue?
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Then you must love it when a telemarketer tries to sell you something that is irrelevant to your needs. A full sized ratcheting screwdriver from a YT channel that specializes in computer building is precisely that when there are other types of tools that are better suited to the job. Lockpicking lawyer is an example of how you use your influencer status to provide a useful/needed product to your fans while making money at the same time.
IN YOUR OPINION. I personally prefer to use a ratcheting screwdriver for small electronics and such because I can choke up on the handle and use the tips of my fingers to spin the ratcheting shaft. Combine that with enough bit storage to cover most all of my needs and it's a fantastic tool, especially working on instruments in-situ where I don't have a tool box full of individual screwdrivers within arm's reach.
mike93lx
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Huh?
Should he only be offerring a product that does good for society? It's a business , not a charity
It's not always all about money. I do believe Linus cares a lot about his name/image, and I think he'd feel really bad if he sold a low quality product under his name.
Another example that springs to mind is the 3D printer community. When the patents ran out, it sprang up and it's still in large part based on designs made by enthusiasts in their free time. Most notable Prusa - his designs are generally all open source so over 90% of chinese printers straight up copy him (and he allows it). But you're definitely getting your moneys worth if you buy straight from him too.
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KnurledNut
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Snap-on has a solid stainless steel shaft. Not sure about the other brands.
FuzzyTiger
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He was actually challenged on that on one of the videos. I can't recall which but he openly admitted that his bits aren't anything special. They're just off the shelf things purchased in bulk from an existing manufacturer. That was apparently one of the reasons they redesigned their bit holder to accept regular size bits.
6 is a good number for a general purpose screw driver though. 12 is better of course but on that note I find the selection of bits they're including with the LTT screwdriver to be... Odd.
I don't know about anyone else but that is possibly one of the worst selection of bits I've ever seen. I don't know who its oriented towards. I build computers, take apart electronics, and do automotive work and I can't say it makes sense for me.
PH1, PH2, PZ2, SL4, SL6, R2, TX10, TX15, TX20, TX25, TX30, 6X6 MAGNET would have been my pick.
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KnurledNut
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mike93lx
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Caring about quality is irrelevant.
He's selling screwdrivers to make money and grow his brand. Not bring screwdrivers to an undeserved community.
Caring about quality is just good business
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FuzzyTiger
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I've thought about the screwdriver further and I think I'll get one. I still stand by all my previous concerns and think its terribly priced and not even a product I feel has a ton of value but:
I've track of how much time I've wasted wishing that various tools were just slightly more to my liking. Usually I just tell myself "If I had the money I'd have this redesigned" and leave it at that. That seems to be what Linus has done here and I respect that. I've also said that I wished companies were more open with their design process and paid more attention to their customers. I'm happy to pay the premium for Astro Pneumatic flashlights for that reason so why not a LTT ratcheting screwdriver? I've justified more money for Nepros tools which I barely use because they're too nice to get covered in grease.
I've track of how much time I've wasted wishing that various tools were just slightly more to my liking. Usually I just tell myself "If I had the money I'd have this redesigned" and leave it at that. That seems to be what Linus has done here and I respect that. I've also said that I wished companies were more open with their design process and paid more attention to their customers. I'm happy to pay the premium for Astro Pneumatic flashlights for that reason so why not a LTT ratcheting screwdriver? I've justified more money for Nepros tools which I barely use because they're too nice to get covered in grease.
FuzzyTiger
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R2/SQ2 is all you need though.Its Canadian. Not including Robertson would be a sin.
R1/SQ1 only exists to lead you astray.
You sir are correct hah.
I can understand everyone has their likes and dislikes about tools.
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Businesses that do not care about their customers lower their chances of survival in the long run. The Snap on guy I mentioned earlier in the thread is an obvious example of a survivor. The most senior guy at that shop I used to work at had calendar magnets from that Snap on guy dating back from the 90s attached to his tool box. This is in stark contrast to the stories you hear of new tool truck guys washing out within the first few years.
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KnurledNut
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Even if you dont buy the screwdriver, the 20mm stubby bits are a deal a-la-carte especially the specialized sizes, and should work in other magnetic bit drivers like SO.
$7 for any of the LTT 12 pc. stubby bit sets is reasonable.
All six sets of bits (72 bits) would only be $42.
Mac charges $5 each for their 16mm bits.
Snap-on's 17 pc stubby bit set is $83; $4-6 depending on bit.
The Klein 5 stubby bit ratchet set is $16.
VIM's 77 pc half-cut bit set (73 bits after subtracting extensions and wrench) is $130.
I think they thought this out really well.
A set of insert bit style mini nutdrivers would be cool.
And PZ might not hurt.
And I think they should offer the whole set of bits without duplicates in a well designed case.
$7 for any of the LTT 12 pc. stubby bit sets is reasonable.
All six sets of bits (72 bits) would only be $42.
Mac charges $5 each for their 16mm bits.
Snap-on's 17 pc stubby bit set is $83; $4-6 depending on bit.
The Klein 5 stubby bit ratchet set is $16.
VIM's 77 pc half-cut bit set (73 bits after subtracting extensions and wrench) is $130.
I think they thought this out really well.
A set of insert bit style mini nutdrivers would be cool.
And PZ might not hurt.
And I think they should offer the whole set of bits without duplicates in a well designed case.
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scooby074
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Sounds like Linus has just learned about Merchandising 
In my opinion, if all they wanted to get was revenue, they wouldn't make a screwdriver. Linus has a ton of employees, they know of countless ways to milk more money out of their fans. If you really insist on looking through capitalist eyes, more than revenue this for Linus is marketing. A screwdriver is cool but it's too big of an investment to earn a ton off of it.
As he himself said, if he wanted to earn a ton of money he'd just throw his logo onto the Megapro and sell that, and he'd be selling them for 2 or 3 years now.
As he himself said, if he wanted to earn a ton of money he'd just throw his logo onto the Megapro and sell that, and he'd be selling them for 2 or 3 years now.
I work on servers and probably half the time I am using a screwdriver is on heatsinks where the screws have springs behind them. If I was buying tools for work I think I would buy a ratcheting screwdriver just for heatsinks (nothing else) as it would help starting the screws due to being able to easily apply pressure and rotate.
I wouldn't buy the LTT one but I am saying a ratcheting screwdriver does have its uses on computers.
I wouldn't buy the LTT one but I am saying a ratcheting screwdriver does have its uses on computers.
No personal experience, but (their OEM) Witte makes excellent screwdrivers. Quaility is assured. Everything else is kinda personal preference.Anyone owns the Stahlwille 4008 and has any feedback? They seem to be 15-30€, and it's really intriguing to me since it's Stahlwille...
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KnurledNut
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Anyone owns the Stahlwille 4008 and has any feedback? They seem to be 15-30€, and it's really intriguing to me since it's Stahlwille...
Made by Bahco (#808050), which is a little less coin in the US. (That price gap has narrowed as of late.)
I have the lighted two position version, rebranded by Gearwrench, and the ratchet mechanism has held up fine.
But the soft grip will get gummy if used with petrol based fluids or solvents.
And its longer than my others, which sometimes matters.
Overall, I would recommend.
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Found this video:
The magnetic bit holder seems awesome! It's a bit different than the Stahlwille though. Thinner magnetic shaft with serrations, and tbh the bit holder looks a lot worse to me. The Witte costs about 10€ more and has what seems like the most convenient bit holder design and a chuck bit holder instead of a magnet. Also, the hex shaft (not so sure if I like the serrations more than the hex shaft, but I'm sure you can grip both pretty well, the hex looks a bit more industrial).
Here's the Stahlwille bit holder:
Bahco looks a lot like the Stahlwille version. But man that Witte bit holder really impressed me)
The magnetic bit holder seems awesome! It's a bit different than the Stahlwille though. Thinner magnetic shaft with serrations, and tbh the bit holder looks a lot worse to me. The Witte costs about 10€ more and has what seems like the most convenient bit holder design and a chuck bit holder instead of a magnet. Also, the hex shaft (not so sure if I like the serrations more than the hex shaft, but I'm sure you can grip both pretty well, the hex looks a bit more industrial).
Here's the Stahlwille bit holder:
Bahco looks a lot like the Stahlwille version. But man that Witte bit holder really impressed me
)I stand corrected. I thought it was the old Witte ratcheting screwdriver they don't produce anymore (under their own name). The screwdriver in question is made in Taiwan, but it's not a Bahco rebrand, just the same source.Made by Bahco (#808050), which is a little less coin in the US. (That price gap has narrowed as of late.)
I have the lighted two position version, rebranded by Gearwrench, and the ratchet mechanism has held up fine.
But the soft grip will get gummy if used with petrol based fluids or solvents.
And its longer than my others, which sometimes matters.
Overall, I would recommend.
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KnurledNut
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You are right. Bahco, Gearwrench, Stahlwille, Bluepoint all the same manufacturer, at least for the main components. Bits may be different.
The old Witte was made in Germany using the clunky Schroeder ratchet mechanism.
Wow. I'm kind of surprised how many comments this thread has evoked. I decided to look into this Linus character a little more, since I'd never heard of him or his LTT. Apparently, this fellow's pretty popular in the online tech community. Wiki reports he has 22 million subscribers between his four youtube channels. That's a ton of fan boys. With that many followers, you can sell almost anything. I haven't looked into it far enough to learn why he's so popular--it's sufficient to know that he is. I didn't really understand all that was behind this when I read OP's starting post.
His target audience is the PC gaming and tech enthusiast community. They're an odd breed. It's nothing for a gamer to spend many hundreds of dollars (or more) on the latest video card just to get even the tiniest advantage in speed over the card they already have, which for most of us would already be mega-overkill. I recall a customer who was looking for a gaming video card that cost $1700 at the time, which was intended for graphics work like CGI in feature films. Just to play a game? It's a mentality that's far beyond that of a mechanic who owns nothing but Snap-on--not even in the same universe. "Normal" human beings can't even relate to this. It's almost like an addict that obsesses on achieving bigger and better highs, or someone seeking more exotic ****** experiences because normal *** no longer stimulates them. Kind of like building up a tolerance to a drug and so needing higher and higher doses just to feel it.
Back in my PC days, I knew of a client who was an ex-Navy pilot and wanted to set up his gaming room as a flight simulator. He actually had a jet cockpit seat (for real), and wanted it set up and wired so that all the gaming controls would imitate the controls in a real jet cockpit. Money was no object--I suspected he might have even been willing to mortgage his home to achieve it.
In my post #3, I spoke about how impractical a ratcheting screwdriver is for computer work, a vaild, qualified opinion that as been echoed by other posters who have PC industry experience. After looking into what this Linus and his LTT is all about, I have now come to realize this has absolutely nothing to do with the appeal of his screwdriver. The product isn't even intended for 'normal' PC repairmen or service techs. It's certainly not targeted to auto mechanics! He's selling to gamers a 'video card' or 'processor' that is more 'powerful' than any other. Who cares if it's $70? Even if it only has a 2% edge over other products, the gamers will gladly pay that just to have that fractional advantage, or even just the psychological perception of it. Based on his website, he's already found at least 60,000 of these boys--with 22 million subscribers, I imagine he'll find many more.
Linus knows his customer base, and it's not the GJers. As a result, most of the posts on this thread--including much of my post #3--are completely meaningless and irrelevant. Doesn't matter what Snap-on or Wera might sell. Doesn't matter what other products are out there, or how they might compare functionally to the LTT driver. Doesn't matter how practical it might be for real-world PC work. Completely irrelevant. Even OP's original question is marginally pointless. It's intended for intravenous mainlining for gamers.
His target audience is the PC gaming and tech enthusiast community. They're an odd breed. It's nothing for a gamer to spend many hundreds of dollars (or more) on the latest video card just to get even the tiniest advantage in speed over the card they already have, which for most of us would already be mega-overkill. I recall a customer who was looking for a gaming video card that cost $1700 at the time, which was intended for graphics work like CGI in feature films. Just to play a game? It's a mentality that's far beyond that of a mechanic who owns nothing but Snap-on--not even in the same universe. "Normal" human beings can't even relate to this. It's almost like an addict that obsesses on achieving bigger and better highs, or someone seeking more exotic ****** experiences because normal *** no longer stimulates them. Kind of like building up a tolerance to a drug and so needing higher and higher doses just to feel it.
Back in my PC days, I knew of a client who was an ex-Navy pilot and wanted to set up his gaming room as a flight simulator. He actually had a jet cockpit seat (for real), and wanted it set up and wired so that all the gaming controls would imitate the controls in a real jet cockpit. Money was no object--I suspected he might have even been willing to mortgage his home to achieve it.
In my post #3, I spoke about how impractical a ratcheting screwdriver is for computer work, a vaild, qualified opinion that as been echoed by other posters who have PC industry experience. After looking into what this Linus and his LTT is all about, I have now come to realize this has absolutely nothing to do with the appeal of his screwdriver. The product isn't even intended for 'normal' PC repairmen or service techs. It's certainly not targeted to auto mechanics! He's selling to gamers a 'video card' or 'processor' that is more 'powerful' than any other. Who cares if it's $70? Even if it only has a 2% edge over other products, the gamers will gladly pay that just to have that fractional advantage, or even just the psychological perception of it. Based on his website, he's already found at least 60,000 of these boys--with 22 million subscribers, I imagine he'll find many more.
Linus knows his customer base, and it's not the GJers. As a result, most of the posts on this thread--including much of my post #3--are completely meaningless and irrelevant. Doesn't matter what Snap-on or Wera might sell. Doesn't matter what other products are out there, or how they might compare functionally to the LTT driver. Doesn't matter how practical it might be for real-world PC work. Completely irrelevant. Even OP's original question is marginally pointless. It's intended for intravenous mainlining for gamers.
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