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countryroad82

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I'm not all that sure it was lifted wrong. When I get to work this morning I'll look if I can find my manual for my lift but I'm wanting to think that's exactly how lift manufacturers say to lift a pickup. I've always lift by the spring hangers myself as I always felt safer but I'm wanting to think John Bean says to lift by the flats of the frame. Regardless get some safety stands for when your under there, it's cheap insurance. To the very least a head start on running lol.
 
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I'm not all that sure it was lifted wrong. When I get to work this morning I'll look if I can find my manual for my lift but I'm wanting to think that's exactly how lift manufacturers say to lift a pickup. I've always lift by the spring hangers myself as I always felt safer but I'm wanting to think John Bean says to lift by the flats of the frame. Regardless get some safety stands for when your under there, it's cheap insurance. To the very least a head start on running lol.
All data says to lift it just inboard of rear spring hanger, not flat of frame
 

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All data says to lift it just inboard of rear spring hanger, not flat of frame

It doesn't really matter what it says because 90% of lifts aren't going to be able to do that. We have 8 bats with 6 10k pd normal rotary lifts. One 4 post and they actually got a 12k. This is only the 12nd shop I've been in in 10 years that has a 12k pound lift. Most owners won't pay for them. Just how it is
 

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It doesn't really matter what it says because 90% of lifts aren't going to be able to do that. We have 8 bats with 6 10k pd normal rotary lifts. One 4 post and they actually got a 12k. This is only the 12nd shop I've been in in 10 years that has a 12k pound lift. Most owners won't pay for them. Just how it is
Got 12's and 18's by me for 2 post lifts at work.....
 

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Send that picture to your state legislators, and let them know what the salt melting **** is doing to vehicles. The real problem is that everyone is in so much of a hurry nowdays, that they want the roads clear and dry even during the worst storms. If everyone would slow down, the roads wouldn't have to be bone dry all year.
 

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To the OP, thanks for sharing. I've got '97 4x4 extended cab I bought new that now as 131,000 Wisconsin miles on it. I last had it up on my hoist 2 years ago but honestly don't remember if I reached the rear springs. I need to pull it in some day and see where my arms reach (10K Rotary).

For anyone interested, pg 32 of the attached shows suggested lifting points for the truck being discussed.
http://thsauto.weebly.com/uploads/4/3/6/1/43610783/lifting_points_guide.pdf
 

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The de-icer not only ruins the vehicles but accelerates deterioration of the roads as well. Both of which hit us in the wallet one way or the other.

OP, glad you were not hurt by that one.
 

WhiffySpark

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To the OP, thanks for sharing. I've got '97 4x4 extended cab I bought new that now as 131,000 Wisconsin miles on it. I last had it up on my hoist 2 years ago but honestly don't remember if I reached the rear springs. I need to pull it in some day and see where my arms reach (10K Rotary).

For anyone interested, pg 32 of the attached shows suggested lifting points for the truck being discussed.
http://thsauto.weebly.com/uploads/4/3/6/1/43610783/lifting_points_guide.pdf

The problem is the lift can't physically do that. It happens to me multiple times a day
 

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The problem is the lift can't physically do that. It happens to me multiple times a day
It doesn't really matter what it says because 90% of lifts aren't going to be able to do that.
If the lift can't accommodate the proper lift points of the vehicle, it's the WRONG LIFT FOR THE JOB.

With ZERO frame rust, lifting the truck as shown in the first photo is STILL WRONG, STILL WOULD HAVE CREATED A PROBLEM, still leads to VEHICLE DAMAGE. The only question is "how severe is the damage", not "is there any damage".

Hanging the entire friggin' box off the back of the lift was insane. OF COURSE it drooped. A non-rusted frame might have merely bent, or been stressed to the point of initiating micro-frame-cracking after repeated lifts.
 
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Yes that frame was clearly rusty but look at how short the rear arms are positioned. On an asymmetric lift that is a big nono. There goes all of your stability. It still could have buckled but it wouldnt have hinged that way.
 

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If the lift can't accommodate the proper lift points of the vehicle, it's the WRONG LIFT FOR THE JOB.

With ZERO frame rust, lifting the truck as shown in the first photo is STILL WRONG, STILL WOULD HAVE CREATED A PROBLEM, still leads to VEHICLE DAMAGE. The only question is "how severe is the damage", not "is there any damage".

Hanging the entire friggin' box off the back of the lift was insane. OF COURSE it drooped. A non-rusted frame might have merely bent, or been stressed to the point of initiating micro-frame-cracking after repeated lifts.

You don't seem to understand. That is the only kind of lift you will find it 95% of the shops you go to. Trucks get picked up every minute just like in the picture.that is just how it's done in the real world.
 

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You don't seem to understand. That is the only kind of lift you will find it 95% of the shops you go to. Trucks get picked up every minute just like in the picture.that is just how it's done in the real world.
YOU don't seem to understand. The liability is enormous. Failure to use appropriate jack points--as specified by the vehicle manufacturer AND as echoed by the manufacturer of the lift--opens the shop to vehicle damage, liability lawsuits as well as employee injury/death.

You don't have the right lift...DO NOT LIFT the friggin' vehicle.

Any "real" shop in the business of fixing pickups that can't properly lift an ordinary pickup must have a total ***** for a manager/owner/equipment purchaser. I understand that a Ferrari dealership may not have pickups as a high priority.

I would love to hear the conversation between the shop owner and his insurance company (and OSHA) when the shop owner has to admit that a vehicle folded-up and killed his employee because the shop habitually fails to use proper, published procedure on a safety-critical item like this. And the shop doesn't have appropriate equipment for the job. There's a term for that: Criminal Negligence. And people get fined, maybe go to prison for it.

THERE.
IS.
NO.
EXCUSE.
for hanging the bed of the pickup off the lift.

And the reason is right there in the first post.

What hasn't been discussed--because it isn't directly relevant to the issue in the first post--is how hanging that much weight off the back of the lift could upset the stability of the lift itself. Add some weight in the bed, some exceptionally-careless positioning of the rear arms, and the rear arms are carrying most of the vehicle weight, leading to substandard concrete failing at the bolted junction for the lift base. The whole lift goes over backward. The load the lift is carrying needs to be reasonably balanced within the design limits of the lift; and it needs to be anchored properly in "strong" concrete.
 
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its always important to place the arms in relation to where the cab & box meet up. It was time for the old gal to be put down anyways. :beer:

Edit - noticed the rear arm was not under the box at all :(
 
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To the OP, thanks for sharing. I've got '97 4x4 extended cab I bought new that now as 131,000 Wisconsin miles on it. I last had it up on my hoist 2 years ago but honestly don't remember if I reached the rear springs. I need to pull it in some day and see where my arms reach (10K Rotary).

For anyone interested, pg 32 of the attached shows suggested lifting points for the truck being discussed.
http://thsauto.weebly.com/uploads/4/3/6/1/43610783/lifting_points_guide.pdf
RT your welcome I am not going to disagree my truck was lifted incorrectly but I am guessing there are a lot of mechanics who have done the same thing. Posting this is embarrasing, and I am trying to get a set of longer arms to avoid doing this again. From reading your comments I know you are going to take a closer look at how you lift your truck and that is why I shared the picture.
 

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Send that picture to your state legislators, and let them know what the salt melting **** is doing to vehicles. The real problem is that everyone is in so much of a hurry nowdays, that they want the roads clear and dry even during the worst storms. If everyone would slow down, the roads wouldn't have to be bone dry all year.
This. I'd like to meet the ***** who came up with the idea to put salt on the roads.


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Look on the bright side, being a Chevy, you could probably just use a skid loader and dump a load of landscape blocks in the bed to straighten it back out.

:dunno:
 

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YOU don't seem to understand. The liability is enormous. Failure to use appropriate jack points--as specified by the vehicle manufacturer AND as echoed by the manufacturer of the lift--opens the shop to vehicle damage, liability lawsuits as well as employee injury/death.

You don't have the right lift...DO NOT LIFT the friggin' vehicle.

Yet, thousands of the trucks are lifted that way every day in this city. Many Millions since the GMT400 was introduced without failure.

The problem is the rust not the lift point.
 
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Update, I spoke to Bendpak customer service today and the solution they offered was to replace the front arms with set of arms that are identical in length to the rear arms. The front arms are currently 25 1/2 to 40 3/4 the rears are 35 1/5- 56 1/2. Because my lift was purchased in January of 2015 it is no longer under warranty and I would have to purchase the arms at a cost of $574.00 shipped. What is interesting is the truck I bought to replace the green1996 GMC in the picture is a Chevrolet 2008 extended cab, In the lifting guide page 33 it shows the lifting points for the newer truck as being on the frame in front of the spring hangers.
 
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