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If you had a good MAC truck for service they might be nice to have. If not, there are plenty of other brands for the same price range or less...Now if you were getting them for a good deal they might be nice to have. I'm not sure if there really is a benefit to a 6 point ratcheting wrench.
 
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What's the downside to 6 points? I thought they are better than 12, since less likely to strip the bolt.
 

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I've got the 12pt non-flex. Had them a little over 2 years. Other than the chrome scratching a little easier than I think it should, I love them. I got these at 50% off thru the school program when my son was in the high school tech program so at that price I really love them.
 

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What's the downside to 6 points? I thought they are better than 12, since less likely to strip the bolt.

I wouldn't think there would be a downside with a ratcheting wrench. I wouldn't want them for a standard wrench though.
 

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Downside would be trying to get them on a bolt in a tight area, once your on there would be no difference. You may have to turn the wrench by hand a bit to get it seated on the bolt in some circumstances where a 12pt would have enough movement in the handle to seat. And if you strip a bolt with a ratchet wrench you are doing it wrong.
 

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Can you specify how they are better?


The ratcheting action feels more positive... Like not sloppy at all, also they are assembled using a screw so you can disassemble them to clean if you get water/grit/etc in it or to lube them. The beam of the wrench is thicker and more comfortable. Also the open end profile is much less lobster-like
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What's the downside to 6 points? I thought they are better than 12, since less likely to strip the bolt.

As others have said, your not likely to torque a bolt with the wrench in the matter it will round off with the 12 point.You shouldn't be using them that way,then again the 12point/6point argument goes along ways as to saying there isn't much difference.The point being,if you could get by with a cheaper 12 point set your probably just as well off.If you have a good MAC dealer you can get good deals and service on..then jump on em.
 

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OP, what LOCATION you in to locate a Mac truck to purchase these prospective wrenches ??

America ??
 

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I have that exact set of Mac Edge Metric Ratchet Wrenches, 8-19mm. I like them, but honestly rarely use them. The 6 point is nice when you deal with a lot of older rusty vehicles. I also have Snap-on 6 point metric wrenches. I have lots of wrenches! lol… Wrenches are my thing. The only downfall I have found with these wrenches is the same problem with all one direction ratchet wrenches. They get stuck on the bolt and you can't switch the ratchet direction making it very difficult to get it off the bolt once it is stuck. Reversible ratchet wrenches are just more practical.
 

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The ratcheting action feels more positive... Like not sloppy at all, also they are assembled using a screw so you can disassemble them to clean if you get water/grit/etc in it or to lube them. The beam of the wrench is thicker and more comfortable. Also the open end profile is much less lobster-like

The open end doesn't look one bit smaller then the gear wrench other then it is notched with a V instead of round like the gear wrench. I do however like the fact that you can service them though, but mine are lifetime warranty so if they go I'll walk into the store and pick up a new one:beer:
 

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I work in a race car shop and we use a lot of 12pt fasteners. Having 6pt wrenches would limit there use ability for me and it would be to expensive to have both.
 

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You are right. It does not show at all on the pictures. It only applies to smalle sizes, such as these 10mm
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Ive had my set for 3 or more years. Never had one issue with them. Use em quite often. Dont hesitate they are very good ratchet wrenches. The 6 point helps on rusty bolts. But they tend to get stuck on bolts very easily and since they dont reverse they can be a pita at times. Ive had to pry mine off with a pry bar at times
 
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Several people have again mentioned the lack of reversible as being an issue.
How do you get stuck onto the bolt?
Are you just not paying attention?
If you know it's a tight fit, aren't you paying extra careful attention as you back out the bolt towards the thing that was blocking you from using a socket in the first place?
Shouldn't you be on high alert the minute you realize you need a wrench instead of a socket?
 
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The wrench gets phisically stuck on the bolt. I never said backed against another object. These mac wrenches have the edge system which is teeth on the hex. And those teeth some times dig into the bolt and cause it the get stuck. At times its a nice feature but most of the time its just a pita.
 

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And reversible helps to get it unstuck?

Yes, because you can flip the lever the other way and give the wrench a tug in the opposite direction and dislodge the wrench from the bolt. If the wrench is not reversible, it just clicks in the opposite direction and it won't dislodge. Therefore causing you to have to use a pry bar or screw driver to try and pry it loose from the bolt.

I've read where people on here have had to leave a non reversible ratchet wrench on a bolt and let it go with the trailer, car, whatever they were working on, because the wrench got stuck in a place where it was not possible to pry it off.

Use a non reversible ratchet wrench on a old hard to turn bolt where the wrench really digs in and you'll find out. ;-)
 

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http://www.snaponindustrialbrands.c...rialbrandscom/Content/PDF/SOIB - CAT2 113.pdf

Not really, however with as many non-reversible ratchet wrenches that get sold and used everyday I don't think the problem is as bad as you would think. I really think you need to do some research on your own and pick which best suites you because you could post every single brand on this forum and there will be 5 guys who love them and 5 who prefer something else. If your not going to use them everyday of the week it would be stupid to pay anything more then what Gearwrench charges.
 

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This a Goosechase . . . . OP has no intention of seeking out a Mac truck and purchasing any high-end ratcheting wrenches.

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The wrench gets phisically stuck on the bolt. I never said backed against another object. These mac wrenches have the edge system which is teeth on the hex. And those teeth some times dig into the bolt and cause it the get stuck. At times its a nice feature but most of the time its just a pita.

If the bolt is crusty 12pt and especially spline get stuck on things just as much if not more.
 
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This a Goosechase . . . . OP has no intention of seeking out a Mac truck and purchasing any high-end ratcheting wrenches.

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Don't need a truck if you're buying used.
My, you're really annoying.
 
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http://www.snaponindustrialbrands.c...rialbrandscom/Content/PDF/SOIB - CAT2 113.pdf

Not really, however with as many non-reversible ratchet wrenches that get sold and used everyday I don't think the problem is as bad as you would think. I really think you need to do some research on your own and pick which best suites you because you could post every single brand on this forum and there will be 5 guys who love them and 5 who prefer something else. If your not going to use them everyday of the week it would be stupid to pay anything more then what Gearwrench charges.

Thanks Jswain. I've come full circle. I was all set to buy those Williams 12pc ratcheting wrench set (flex head, reversible, 8-19mm) but a couple of posters bashed them, so I kept looking. I think they will be fine, and I'm starting to overthink this. I'll probably just get those, as enough people have said reversible is really desirable, and I guess I prefer flex, b/c it may be handy.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227711
 

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In general in never hurts to asks.

I suggest using the tools you have. You will learn the idiosyncrasies of tools, as you use them. A regular socket will get stuck on a bolt sometimes, and it is usually easier to reverse the ratchet to release it, than it is to pry it off.

Think of a ratchet wrench as a faster box wrench, when there is enough space, to use it.

There is a place for every tool for the most part. With experience the application of the best tool becomes more apparent. At least this has been my experience. I usually look for tools when, I say to my self," man, I wish I had such such tool."

Take your time and keep your eye for a good deal so you can jump on it when you see it. Sometimes different brands of the same tool do not work as well, for a given application. Good luck.
 

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Out of curiousity, if you have flex, do most of you also have non flex ones? I would assume there is an argument that a reversible, flex set is the only set of these you would need, but I'm sure there are circumstances that's not going to be true.

If you break a bolt loose with the non reversible one, is it already stuck by virtue of grabbing and torquing it loose? or does it become stuck as you continue to ratchet? I have experienced wrenches and sockets both getting stuck on a bolt head but never one that I couldn't get off with a tap of a hammer or [blunt object that should not be used as a hammer]. I'm just wondering how much technique would be involved with this. Usually I can feel a wrench getting stuck on if I'm at an odd angle (I do not have flex ratcheting wrenches) so I just make adjustments when I'm using my non reversible GW set.
 

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I have the non flex version, had them over three years.only problem was I broke the gear mechanism on the 10mm because I used a cheater bar to break loose a rusted turbo bolt, Mac guy just handed me a new one, only other problem is I later lost that 10mm and don't have a Mac man anymore.
 

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Out of curiousity, if you have flex, do most of you also have non flex ones? I would assume there is an argument that a reversible, flex set is the only set of these you would need, but I'm sure there are circumstances that's not going to be true.

If you break a bolt loose with the non reversible one, is it already stuck by virtue of grabbing and torquing it loose? or does it become stuck as you continue to ratchet? I have experienced wrenches and sockets both getting stuck on a bolt head but never one that I couldn't get off with a tap of a hammer or [blunt object that should not be used as a hammer]. I'm just wondering how much technique would be involved with this. Usually I can feel a wrench getting stuck on if I'm at an odd angle (I do not have flex ratcheting wrenches) so I just make adjustments when I'm using my non reversible GW set.

It always gets stuck when you are breaking the bolt loose or when you are final tightening. It gets wedged under pressure, especially on rusty or worn fasteners. If the bolt is really frozen and hard to turn, it can stick even when just ratcheting the bolt in or out. Sometimes there is no access to tap on it or pry it off. Sometimes hitting it with a hammer or prying on it just won't get it off. Reversing direction almost always does.

Not everyone works in one spot within 6 feet of their main box. Some have to move bay to bay and work numerous projects at one time. This means dragging around a cart that needs to be light as possible, but loaded with everything you think you need to cut down on trips back to the main box. Having non reversible ratchet wrenches means you either need to carry around a standard set of wrenches for breaking the bolt loose and final tightening or constantly walking back and forth to the main box to get that standard wrench. In that type of environment, decisions like those can mean hours of lost time when added up over the tools lifetime and many miles on your feet or pushing around extra weight in your cart. I worked several bays and my tool cart was very overloaded. It gets old pushing that around 5-10 times a day. The trips back and forth for tools not on hand do too.

I have both non flex and flex, but my first set was non flex as that was all that was available when I first bought a set of ratchet wrenches. I bought a set of 15 degree offset non flex Blue Point reversibles as soon as they were available on the truck.

I bought the flexible type later on because they are usable sometimes when the non flex aren't.

I find the zero degree offset non flex non reversible type the least useful, but that's just my opinion. The problem always seems to be you either don't have enough room to swing the wrench due to it's design or as with any type of ratchet wrench, the head is just too large and their is not enough clearance around the bolt to get the wrench on it.

Which is why i bought the EZRed/Mountain type ratchet wrench set. I actually went with the "Klutch" brand from NorthernTool. I only went that route due to the convenience of being able to warranty them locally if one breaks.

Link to Klutch Wrenches:

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/category_hand-tools+wrenches+flex-ratcheting-wrenches+klutch

The "stand out" one one side and the flex of the wrench will make it useable on a lot more applications. Typically only non ratcheting zero degree offset wrenches have that "stand out". Basically a very thin, long, low profile socket and ratchet for tight spaces.

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Depending on what you do with your tools and how much you use them, multiple tools just makes life easier and jobs quicker. Certain tools can mean the difference between extra time/hours of further disassembly to accomplish a job; which adds cost in parts and labor to the customer. Snap-on is my go to brand, but if someone else makes a better design or offers something I like that Snap-on doesn't make, then I go with what I find useful.

My big thing on tools is not as much price or brand as much as it has to be useful, make my life easier, and be of a decent quality. No half *** aggravating ****. I personally go for American made tools even though they cost more, but I will go with any COO if it is the tool that best suits my needs.

I turned bolts 6 days a week for many years and even though I haven't turned bolts on a daily basis in over 9 years, I still turn bolts part time. I got over the "cost" issue many years ago and have become accustomed to having nice tools. I could never go back to "get by" tools. YMMV
 

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Oh yeah no I wasn't questioning anyone just saying I have never encountered it to that extreme.

Based on this thread I was looking at what I have and whether I should add to or replace the GW non reverse/non flex. That helps some but I think if I were to break free & final tighten with a non-ratcheting for the time being it's not an immediate need. Thanks for the insight.
 
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