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stricht8

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I've heard a lot of comments about Stanley's affect on Mac. I'm starting to see some Facom hand tools (Facom is also owned by Stanley) come through like this...........

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Quality has been consistent with the earlier French made tools although I did see the some of the oil filter cap wrenches come through with a lot less metal in them (20% lighter and presumably not as strong). Just hope Facom does not become Frequently Asian **** Only More ....(Expensive).

Steve D

Facom wrenches made in Taiwan, I just about barfed.
 
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Sin

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Yes it matters, it matters alot infact.

Would you want to pay Snap on prices for HF quality?
I would never buy Snap On tools, I value my money too much - Mac/Matco/Cornwell/Craftsman works just fine for me ... thanks

Do you want more American manufacturing jobs? If you want good warrenty you could just as easy buy Cman at least its american made better quality and good prices to boot. Come on man...
Really ... blowing it outta proportion aren't you - and American gets a capitol
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boiler7904

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i have quite a few mac tools as well that were bought 15 years or so ago. seems like anything in the last 10 years hasnt been good, and MAC seems to be the most unreliable as far as the dealers are concerned.
i have a pile of broken MAC tools laying next to my work box, and havent seen a MAC dealer in the area for at least 3 months. i ended up replacing broken tools with stuff from SO and matco, at least the dealers stop by

:beer:

I don't know where you are in NW Indiana but I've see a Mac dealer around Crown Point every so often. Of course things could have changed in the 4 months since I've really spent any time around home though.
 

crewchief888

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I don't know where you are in NW Indiana but I've see a Mac dealer around Crown Point every so often. Of course things could have changed in the 4 months since I've really spent any time around home though.

i dont live far from crown point, if i saw a MAC truck anywhere i'd flag them down, and get the stuff replaced.
i'm a field service tech, and cover a large area, i dont see any MAC trucks around.
i guess what annoys me more than anything,the dealers were more than willing to sell me tools, and take my money, i'm not gonna chase down a dealer, i'll replace what i need from a dealer that does stop by.


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arkangel06

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I would never buy Snap On tools, I value my money too much - Mac/Matco/Cornwell/Craftsman works just fine for me ... thanks


Really ... blowing it outta proportion aren't you - and American gets a capitol
:thumbup:

No im not blowing it out of proportion at all your just feeding the sickness a little at a time.
 

t100

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i dont live far from crown point, if i saw a MAC truck anywhere i'd flag them down, and get the stuff replaced.
i'm a field service tech, and cover a large area, i dont see any MAC trucks around.
i guess what annoys me more than anything,the dealers were more than willing to sell me tools, and take my money, i'm not gonna chase down a dealer, i'll replace what i need from a dealer that does stop by.

I moved to Indy in late 08, I've seen few SO and Matco trucks but never seen one MAC or Cornwell truck.
 
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I only remember proto from their late seventies nascar program
think ingersoll owned them then , so a company that gets new owners every few years .... and no tool truck , no truck credit ... no buy
 

caper

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I would never buy Snap On tools, I value my money too much - Mac/Matco/Cornwell/Craftsman works just fine for me ... thanks

Sin,not trying to be confrontational,but it is easily researched on the net to compare prices between the major tool trucks.It can be surprising sometimes.Matco,Cornwell and Mac can be just as expensive or more so for many items as Snap on.I'm not a die hard Snap on fan,I have my share,but would just as readily buy from another truck if the service was available.And as far as valuing your money,Snap on is a much better investment since the resale prices they bring are so much more than any other truck brand.
 
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redwrench60

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Well it's not just me, Matco is more expensive than Snap On a lot of the time. I've been noticeing that every time I price items. Lookie there Snap On is becoming a better value.:lol_hitti
 

Hyster Gareth

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It really pains me to see companies like MAC and Facom outsourcing to the far east. I used to have a great MAC dealer in the UK and always got good deals. All my MAC tools are US made.

I think the simple answer would be to boycott MAC until they get the message that people want US made tools?
 

neonnblack

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Now the funny thing i see every once and a while is, seeing mac and cornwell trucks frequently outside of harbor freight ????
 

ultgar

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Its all about margins and tool companies are shifting production to countries with lower labor costs....Wera (Czech Republic), Wiha (Vietnam), Mac & Facom (Taiwan), Alto (Hungary)......even Snap is moving production outside the US and not just on their Blue Point line. Here's a COO I've never seen before.......

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FergusonTO35

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Mac has pretty well poisoned the well here in Kentucky. I haven't seen a Mac truck in years. I think they're no longer owned by Stanley, correct?
 

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Its all about margins and tool companies are shifting production to countries with lower labor costs....Wera (Czech Republic), Wiha (Vietnam), Mac & Facom (Taiwan), Alto (Hungary)......even Snap is moving production outside the US and not just on their Blue Point line. Here's a COO I've never seen before.......

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Snap On finds companies that create a quality product and either buys them out, partners with them, or rebrands the quality product. I've seen plenty of people talk about their Bahco rebrands from Sweeden, or their adjustables from Spain, but IMO this is much different than sending a domestic line to Taiwan, or much worse, China. They are basically saying "if you can't beat them, buy them out". Instead of what Stanley is doing to its brands, which is "cut corners and make a ton of money off of the people that don't know better, or at least off of the ones that aren't expecting it."

Does it really matter that the quality isn't there anymore, when they'll still warranty the tools? IF they didn't warranty it, THEN I could see a where a complaint could come from. :)

I thought you were being sarcastic here as I can't believe anyone would actually believe this. Personally I look at the warranty secondary to the quality, but if you must have a good warranty, your hope has to be that you don't ever need the hassle with collecting on it right?

I'm just astounded with his reasoning in pretty much every post on the subject.

Even if all of them had the exact same quality and price, doesn't COO mean anything to you?

My brother, for instance, cares nothing about COO on any product. That too astounds me. I can see the temptation to buy strictly on price, and it is a widespread, almost unanimous phenomenon. But if all things are equal to choose the China brand?

Don't get me wrong, in no way am I suggesting all things are equal besides COO, but that alone should be enough.
 

Toolhorder

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When it comes to direct returns to Mac or Snap on for replacement Mac wins hands down. They are atleast three times as fast.

Yeah but you have to pay to send your warranty items in which ***** if it's anything bigger than a basic small hand tools.

Snap-on wins just for the fact they pay both ways.
 

richfinn

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I like my MAC Spinflex ratchet and my 13mm Knuckle saver spanner.

I dont buy into all the COO ********, If something made in China/Europe/America is good quality I buy it, I dont care about politics its all horseshit communists/capitalists/socialists all a load of crooks.
 

camarotoolman

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I only sell used am. made tools. No beef jerky! Used SO sells the best and brings to most money. Down the road, you will be glad you bought SO. over Mac and Matco.
 

4x4gearhead

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Our local dealers **** worse than the snap on dealers.(and for the most part that says a lot). They never have anything you ordered. Ive found that in the event that I get whatever it is I wanted, it usually lets me down quality wise. Mac to me is a "has been" company.
 
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