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Loscaldazar

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I believe that a lot of the steel China uses is actually US scrap steel. Of course not *everything* from china is made from recycled/scraped US steel, but I believe there is a sizable amount.
 
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I was thinking of Mittal and Jindal Steel as well. Not all of their steel is Made in India. Interesting to note, much of their steel is used in building skyscrapers and cargo ships, not sure about hand tools though.

Mittal Steel produces the worlds largest tonnage of steel since 2004 or so.
 
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Remember when Australia banned and scrapped all those million of guns about 20 years ago. Man the price for steel was so low for a while after that. And the quality was outstanding too.

Nothing wrong with scrap steel. In fact, we're still cutting apart old Liberty ships from WW2 for the steel. It was VERY high quality steel that is nearly impossible to produce today in quantity at a reasonable price.

The problem with steel in China is that they might spec one steel, but will slowly and gradually move to much lower quality steel to save money. And they'll rig the QC so no one will know until stuff starts to break.
 

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Exactly!!


The problem with steel in China is that they might spec one steel, but will slowly and gradually move to much lower quality steel to save money. And they'll rig the QC so no one will know until stuff starts to break.[/QUOTE]


When I was in a severe bind financially I bought new break rotors for my wife's Durango. I bought them from Napa, but they were made in China. They were SO SOFT that they might as well have been made out of cheese.

Once I got some money coming in I set out to put GOOD TO EXCELLENT pieces on her Durango (she's got a heavy right foot) and was shocked to find out that now, even the PREMIUM rotors at Napa are China made! I asked about the difference and was told the high quality pieces are coated with some treatment. Hmmmmm....not buying it. Went to CARQUEST, same deal. Finally I went to a Dodge dealer and found out they were made in Canada, as close as I could get. Turns out they are excellent pieces. Prices? Napa regulars were $40 a piece, Dodge parts were $160 a piece. Breaks are not a place to scrimp so I bit the bullet.
It's pretty sad when you cant buy USA made parts for a USA car at any price!
 

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Brake rotors aren't made out of steel.

They are made out of iron, either cast or nodular of different grades, or in some cases potentially, sintered; or carbon fiber if it's a really exotic car..

Iron is also the primary ingredient in making steel, but iron isn't steel.
 

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I bought a HD 6 in 1 screwdriver and the package said"assembled in USA" with the flag
there was no assembly done,it was all in pieces.
Got home put glasses on and "made in China"
yea it was "assembled in USA" by me!
 

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The problem with steel in China is that they might spec one steel, but will slowly and gradually move to much lower quality steel to save money. And they'll rig the QC so no one will know until stuff starts to break.

Fugio has pretty much hit the nail square on the head, not only with steel but with parallel problems we see in a great many Chinese products we see in the western world.A 'new school' Chinese business man recently commented on the practice and he noted it was part of the Chinese business culture that he dislikes. He noted Chinese people with "money" avoid certain Chinese products" as the issues behind the poor quality was well known.
He commented that the old business culture did not have any leeway for basically what meant giving the customer a fair deal.

Products are presented initially at prices so low that the manufacturer makes no or little profit. Over time, the quality begins to slide and prices are manipulated. On my side of the pond it is dammed hard to pick the good Chinese products from the bad ones.

To be fair other industrial economies started off with generally poor quality products and progressed to a very high standard, Japan,and Taiwan being just two. Its seems China can't make this transition.
Sure! not all Chinese businesses are like this and the good guys are a minority in a sea of greed and corruption.
Hopefully now the boom is ended we might see the market weed a lot of these bad guys out.
 

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