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Coach James

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I was killing time in Lowes tonight and wandered over to the electrical section. I noticed they are selling the Southwire stuff for more than Channellock.

I also noticed the Ideal linesman and diagonal cutters were made in USA. I had not noticed that before. They were priced more than Channellock, but less than Southwire.

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Ideal was less than Southwire?! That's insane. That stuff is garbage. Everything I've ever had from Ideal has been top notch. The only reason I don't have more is that I just never think of it, and most places I shop carry Klein and Greenlee. Lowe's knows how to make a profit I guess. I wonder how many DIY'ers wander in there and choose Southwire thinking it must be better. Kinda sad.
 

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Ideal is good stuff. I'm glad they saved s&k.

Southwire is decent but no way is it a premium line of tools. Chinese made store brand.
 

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I have about 10 pairs of the t strippers and they are still a good value ,but the reflex strippers are my favorite.
There was a day when they rebranded a lot of channelock.
 
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I do not buy Southwire or Ideal products. I Prefer Klein, Channellock, Snap-on, Wilde, Knipex, and ProAmerica for pliers.

But I am That Guy. My box is only so big. Why would I want Irwin Vise grips, when I can have Petersen? Why would I want SK, when I can have Wright for similar money? I try to buy from the smaller companies. I try to buy as few Stanley products as humanly possible, too.

Maybe I would buy some SK if they go union again.
 

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Yes the southwire stuff is like $2 more for the Ideal equivalent. I was out on the road and needed a set of crimpers. Lowe's was the only place close. The Ideal set was if I remember correctly $29.99. The China made southwire next to it was $31.99. Only difference was the southwire had "comfort" grips that are direct Klein journeyman knock offs. I bought the ideal set needless to say. And actually are my new favorite set.
 

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Lowes is a funny creature but I regress...When they stopped selling Knipex I bought them out when they went on sale.

Back then and even up to today I have never see anyone buying the southwire tools, oh sure maybe a few people might but I see men looking, but I never see them purchase any when I go to lowes.
 
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Ideal makes some good stuff. My fish tape, some wire strippers, coax and modular plug crimpers are all from them. I like that they are a family business and have bought SK, Western Forge etc to keep them going.
 

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I do not buy Southwire or Ideal products. I Prefer Klein, Channellock, Snap-on, Wilde, Knipex, and ProAmerica for pliers.

But I am That Guy. My box is only so big. Why would I want Irwin Vise grips, when I can have Petersen? Why would I want SK, when I can have Wright for similar money? I try to buy from the smaller companies. I try to buy as few Stanley products as humanly possible, too.

Maybe I would buy some SK if they go union again.

scratching my head on this. you like old peterson that i don't think was union and you like knipex which is not for sure but you won't buy sk because they are not union.

i am pretty neutral on union so don't know or care about the ins and outs. doesn't make much sense tome
 

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scratching my head on this. you like old peterson that i don't think was union and you like knipex which is not for sure but you won't buy sk because they are not union.

i am pretty neutral on union so don't know or care about the ins and outs. doesn't make much sense tome[/QUOTE

I prefer smaller companies and union companies (obviously snap-on is not small, it is a public company).

I will not buy SK because they closed the doors and opened back up non-union. Plus, they got bought by a big company, which also killed any interest I had in them.

And Knipex is union.
 

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Sk ideal is small compared to all the tool conglomerates out there. And family owned still. I don't know why they chose to open back up non union and frankly it's their business to choose what they see fit. But the commitment to made in the USA is why they get my business
 

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Sk ideal is small compared to all the tool conglomerates out there. And family owned still. I don't know why they chose to open back up non union and frankly it's their business to choose what they see fit. But the commitment to made in the USA is why they get my business

How is it a small company if it is owned by Ideal (owners of Pratt-Reed and Western Forge). A huge company, and major competitor of Klein Tools (who make much better tools).
 
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scratching my head on this. you like old peterson that i don't think was union and you like knipex which is not for sure but you won't buy sk because they are not union.

i am pretty neutral on union so don't know or care about the ins and outs. doesn't make much sense tome[/QUOTE

I prefer smaller companies and union companies (obviously snap-on is not small, it is a public company).

I will not buy SK because they closed the doors and opened back up non-union. Plus, they got bought by a big company, which also killed any interest I had in them.

And Knipex is union.

They are non-union because they prefer to stay in business and not have to pay people $40/hour to stand around twiddling their thumbs.
 

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How is it a small company if it is owned by Ideal (owners of Pratt-Reed and Western Forge). A huge company, and major competitor of Klein Tools (who make much better tools).

I said small compared to the giant conglomerates. I would say they are not much bigger than Klein in size. If they are even bigger at all. Still they are a relatively small family owned company when compared to the giants of the industry.
 
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I will not buy SK because they closed the doors and opened back up non-union. Plus, they got bought by a big company, which also killed any interest I had in them.

And Knipex is union.

Union support amongst the population is at historically low levels. If the general population used that as a sole barometer, unions would disappear in a day. It has always fascinated me that some folks will absolutely seek out union manufactured stuff that way, when most people have the opposite opinion of them.

Having been an engineer at Ford, I will say that had they closed the doors are re-opened up them as non-union, the place would have thrived. The vast majority of union members I worked with were fantastic, but the **** that was in place to prevent me from being able to do my job was insufferable (this is not to say management was much better......incompetence or bureaucracy, they both sucked). There is a reason virtually all of the foreign OEM's are setting up shops in the non-union south.....especially, ironically, the German ones (given how strong European unions are).

That's not even getting into the practices of the Carpenters Union who hires people from the unemployment office to picket outfits that hire non-union contractors. Locally, the targets included non-profits such as churches, YMCA, etc. Of course, it was pretty dang funny when some of the schleps that hired to picket outside of one of the churches turned out to be registered *** offenders (that was in Dandrige, TN).
 

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How is it a small company if it is owned by Ideal (owners of Pratt-Reed and Western Forge). A huge company, and major competitor of Klein Tools (who make much better tools).

One could not have guessed your location in a million years.
 

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Why are we arguing about Ideal?

The fact remains that they bought and subsequently saved SK, who makes quality tools in the USA. They also bought Western Forge and Pratt Reed. They also make some good stuff under the Idea name.

The bottom line is they make good tools, at a fair price, and found a way to do it in the USA.

Personally I support them
 

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Do you have to use Southwire branded tools to install Romex cable?
 

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How did we get so off track from Ideal tools to discussing the finer points of unions ?
I am Union,but I come here to learn and discuss tools not unions.
I like ideal tools and their focus seems to be Domestic manufacture in the USA which means more jobs for Americans. They saved a couple US companies from the dumpster. I wish them well and will continue to support them .
Klein has cut corners and while I like their stuff,they are not near the quality they were 20 years ago and they have moved a lot of production offshore.
 
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Some just can't help themselves. A product being union made does not factor into my buying decisions. But USA made does and I prefer it and will seek it out if possible. I own Klein and Ideal tools and both have served me well. I own more Klein than Ideal but that's really only because of local availability. I would probably own more if ideal was more readily available in my area. My new absolute favorite crimpers are the Ideal set I bought at Lowe's. I lost my Klein set while working on the road and Lowe's was the only place close by. I was annoyed because I knew that this meant I was going to have to buy China made southwire. But to my surprise and delight I was presented a USA made ideal set for $2 less than the China made southwire. I have not replaced the Klein set because of how much I lime the ideal
 

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Some just can't help themselves. A product being union made does not factor into my buying decisions. But USA made does and I prefer it and will seek it out if possible. I own Klein and Ideal tools and both have served me well. I own more Klein than Ideal but that's really only because of local availability. I would probably own more if ideal was more readily available in my area. My new absolute favorite crimpers are the Ideal set I bought at Lowe's. I lost my Klein set while working on the road and Lowe's was the only place close by. I was annoyed because I knew that this meant I was going to have to buy China made southwire. But to my surprise and delight I was presented a USA made ideal set for $2 less than the China made southwire. I have not replaced the Klein set because of how much I lime the ideal

Those Ideal 30-429's are nice crimpers aren't they. Very well thought out. They would be a very popular item if they got more exposure.
 

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I'm a huge fan of the Ideal TKO cutters.

Diags are Klein, but when it comes to regular lightweight strippers/cutter when roughing out rooms for electrical, Idea's have always been my go to set. I have like 5 different pairs of Reflex Super T's and one of their Romex ones. It's the textured handle that does it for me...
 
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