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Not even close to my experience.
Agreed. I have extensive Ryobi and while i have no real complaints, they are louder and blind folded i could easily tell the difference in feel and performance.

In fact, i ran some informal tests running lag bolts into a board and I’m convinced there are noticeable differences between Red and Green. Still like green, but not adding to it and going red for new purchases.
 
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Owned by TTI, same as Ryobi and Ridgid. Have not brought Milwaukee ever since they sold out. Won't pay more for rebadged Ryobi junk.
You can't argue with the fact they are owned by the same company and the same junk.


TTI = Tennessee Tools Incorporated 100% American owned and operated, facts!
 

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TTI = Tennessee Tools Incorporated 100% American owned and operated, facts!
TTI as in the company that owns the Riobi and Milwaukee tool brands is Techtronic Industries, which is a Hong Kong company and listed on the Hong Kong stock exchange.

Tennessee Tool Corp is a job shop based in Charlotte Tn.

Fact.
 
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Milwaukee's headquarters and much of their operations are still in Brookfield, WI. TTI themselves arent even Chinese actually, theyre based out of Hong Kong. Big difference.
Also, Id be very cautious of DeWalt and their, "made in the USA with global materials" bit. Its a marketing scheme and youd be surprised just how little of it is actually made in the USA. Den Of Tools has done some very interesting Youtube videos on this and while I do love Craftsman, its a bit shameful just how little of it is actually done in the USA.
At the end of the day its your money and all but you really need to do some research on the reality of DeWalt's claims before you go all-in on them.
Im having a hard time with the implied anti-asian angle of this as well.


Milwaukee's headquarters and much of their operations are still in Brookfield, WI. (JUST NOT ACTUALLY MAKING ANYTHING NO MATTER HOW BIG OR SMALL OF GLOBAL COMPONENTS) TTI themselves arent even Chinese actually, theyre based out of Hong Kong. Big difference.(UUUUHHHH, THERE ISN'T **** FOR DIFFERENCE)
Also, Id be very cautious (NOT WORRIED WHATSOEVER) of DeWalt and their, "made in the USA with global materials" bit. Its a marketing scheme and youd be surprised just how little of it is actually made in the USA. Den Of Tools has done some very interesting Youtube videos on this and while I do love Craftsman, its a bit shameful just how little of it is actually done in the USA.
At the end of the day its your money and all but you really need to do some research on the reality of DeWalt's claims before you go all-in on them. (I'M GOOD THANKS)
Im having a hard time with the implied anti-asian angle of this as well.
(IF THAT BOTHERS YOU OH WELL)
 
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I know the op is all gung-ho on dewalt, but I will tell you my story and I am not gung-ho on dewalt.

Many years ago, I bought all dewalt cordless tools and those bastards changed their battery platforms, so now I am left with adding a heavy monster battery platform on top of this goes a new updated battery. Man, those old tools weigh a ton, no sir dewalt lost me for good.

Rant over...
Yep...had some old Makita tools with and old battery platform that works on nothing they make today.

Didn't bother me a bit. It's a battery driven market. What ya gonna do. Stay old tech or get improvements?
 
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Back to the OP's post...the 60v grinder running a 6" flap disk is definitely a beast for a cordless grinder. Probably 2-3 times the material removal rate of their 20v brushless grinder and at least half way to their big 7" corded grinder.
It's a beast for sure. Love it
 

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I know the op is all gung-ho on dewalt, but I will tell you my story and I am not gung-ho on dewalt.

Many years ago, I bought all dewalt cordless tools and those bastards changed their battery platforms, so now I am left with adding a heavy monster battery platform on top of this goes a new updated battery. Man, those old tools weigh a ton, no sir dewalt lost me for good.

Rant over...


Pretty much every brand has changed battery platforms, and for good reason.
 

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Milwaukee's headquarters and much of their operations are still in Brookfield, WI. TTI themselves arent even Chinese actually, theyre based out of Hong Kong. Big difference.
Also, Id be very cautious of DeWalt and their, "made in the USA with global materials" bit. Its a marketing scheme and youd be surprised just how little of it is actually made in the USA. Den Of Tools has done some very interesting Youtube videos on this and while I do love Craftsman, its a bit shameful just how little of it is actually done in the USA.
At the end of the day its your money and all but you really need to do some research on the reality of DeWalt's claims before you go all-in on them.
Im having a hard time with the implied anti-asian angle of this as well.

There are links above talking about DeWalt plants in the US and how many employees they have. Is there any research you've done to warrant your message of caution, or just making assumptions?

Personally I'm not anti-Asian or "pro-American" necessarily, I'm not even American (I'm Canadian). But I work in manufacturing and it's a pretty good gig, and I don't think it's a bad idea to support products that provide jobs semi-locally, and jobs that pay a fair wage. I think a lot of the negative sentiments towards "made in China" is based around poor working conditions and bottom dollar wages, which basically line the pockets of the corporation.

I don't necessarily blindly buy only Made in USA (or insert other country) or reject all Made in China tools, but in the case of power tools, you have many options that all perform very similarly, and are sold at very similar price points. Except one is doing it while employing 5x as many people locally at fair wages. And if the majority of consumers used that as a deciding factor, then the rest would be essentially forced to re-think their operations as well.
 

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Everyone likes something different but I can’t do Dewalt. Every tool from them that I’ve used, not just one or two, has been severely underpowered. Today I was taking a splash shield off and using my coworkers impact because it was close by and man that thing was so slow. I made sure that it was on the highest setting too. I’m sorry but I’m not team yellow. My brother in law is only because people kept asking him how he liked his Craftsman power tools and he couldn’t stand that so he switched over because everyone thought he had Craftsman power tools. :lol:

I'd be curious what model number your co-workers impact was. Thing about most of these companies is they all have the turds that they package in those "drill & driver" specials they put on the end caps for the holidays or whatever. Just like how Milwaukee has the brushless Fuel line and then their lower end brushed tools. There's a big difference between the brushed DeWalt drill & driver for $99 special, and a brushless XR impact.
 

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I'd be curious what model number your co-workers impact was. Thing about most of these companies is they all have the turds that they package in those "drill & driver" specials they put on the end caps for the holidays or whatever. Just like how Milwaukee has the brushless Fuel line and then their lower end brushed tools. There's a big difference between the brushed DeWalt drill & driver for $99 special, and a brushless XR impact.
I’m not sure. He isn’t here today if I remember I’ll look on it tomorrow. I only get the Brushless Milwaukee stuff it’s all Fuel for me.
 

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Yep...had some old Makita tools with and old battery platform that works on nothing they make today.

Didn't bother me a bit. It's a battery driven market. What ya gonna do. Stay old tech or get improvements?
You could use a battery adapter and keep using your old tools along with your new tools and batteries?
 
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You could use a battery adapter and keep using your old tools along with your new tools and batteries?
Unless ..the old tool isn't as capable.

Using this **** professionally many day ago cordless was only capable to a point. Heavier work required a hard wired tool. (Grinders as example and drills too)

With the new tech stuff those days are long gone. The cordless world doesn't take the backseat to anything.
Example...SO air impact. It's a beast. There are times it doesn't have the *** to remove a fastener. (We run 165 psi in the shop)
The electric SO (or others) take it right off.

That technology wasn't available 20 years ago.
 

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I think Milwaukee makes sawblades in USA, but they could simply be sourcing from an existing USA manufacturer.

"Made in USA (with global materials)" is just a marketing ploy. DeWalt is probably more "Asian" than Milwaukee. At least Milwaukee has saw blades (sawzall blades, oscillating blades...) that are truely "made in USA", jack hammer bits "made in Germany". I have yet noticed similar things from DeWalt.
I was looking for reciprocating saw blades today at Rural King. Both Dewalt and Milwaukee blades say “Made in the USA with globally sourced materials”
They probably are both using the same supplier.
 

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Milwaukee is building a new office building in Milwaukee not too far from where I work. I know they want to bring some more manufacturing back to the states hopefully this will become true. Me personally I haven’t had very much luck with Milwaukee battery power tools. I have mostly Ridgid Milwaukee Ryobi and Makita. If I had to do it over again I probably go with Dewalt.
 

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I was looking for reciprocating saw blades today at Rural King. Both Dewalt and Milwaukee blades say “Made in the USA with globally sourced materials”
They probably are both using the same supplier.
In that case, the blades may be made using recycled metal, and since they can't be certain where the original metal came from, they probably use the disclaimer to cover their asses.
 

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In that case, the blades may be made using recycled metal, and since they can't be certain where the original metal came from, they probably use the disclaimer to cover their asses.
It's a requirement if you cannot be sure of metals origin or you source metal from multiple domestic and international suppliers
 

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Owned by TTI, same as Ryobi and Ridgid. Have not brought Milwaukee ever since they sold out. Won't pay more for rebadged Ryobi junk.
You can't argue with the fact they are owned by the same company and the same junk.
Actually, I can. It is documented they are made in different factories, for starters. I can also relate the fact that I burned up a Ryobi drill sweeping my chimney, a job my M12 drill handled with aplomb. Let’s not even get into the F150 lugnuts an 18v brushless Ryobi impact couldn’t handle, but an M12 stubby impact could. Or how about battery life? I spent a ton of money on Ryobi and I’m sending all of that stuff to my brother in law, wish I’d never bought it, wish I’d started with higher quality.
 

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Had Milwookie, DeWalt Ridgid, Porter Cable and Ryobi 18v. tools at work, along with a few HF. All seemed to do the job adequately.
Milwookie and DeWalt seem to get "Lost" a lot.
Ridgid and Porter Cable were Despised, don't know why...
Ryobi did/do the job and they didn't disappear. That green seems to be Kryptonite for crooks.
HF bodies were "Brittle" and didn't hold up to use/abuse. We called them "Playskool Tools".
So the "Powers-That-Be" went with DeWalt and shitcanned everything else.
Screw it, They can buy what they want.
 

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Had Milwookie, DeWalt Ridgid, Porter Cable and Ryobi 18v. tools at work, along with a few HF. All seemed to do the job adequately.
Milwookie and DeWalt seem to get "Lost" a lot.
Ridgid and Porter Cable were Despised, don't know why...
Ryobi did/do the job and they didn't disappear. That green seems to be Kryptonite for crooks.
HF bodies were "Brittle" and didn't hold up to use/abuse. We called them "Playskool Tools".
So the "Powers-That-Be" went with DeWalt and shitcanned everything else.
Screw it, They can buy what they want.
as someone who works in engineering, and has had to manage purchasing in the past sbd does this on a commercial side so so much better than everyone else, they will handle hand and power tools in one transaction, and make the whole thing so easy to manage for a guaranteed monthly price for the length of a contract hell they even replace lost tools in those contracts.
 

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Milwaukee is just Ryobi in sheeps clothing under the red.
Not sure if this post is just to get a reaction or serious opinion. My brother in law is an engineer at milwaukee in brookfield wi. I know Ryobi and Milwaukee are under the same umbrella so i asked him if technology is shared between the two. His response was nope, both have different target markets and are independent of each other.

Milwaukee is building a new office building in Milwaukee not too far from where I work. I know they want to bring some more manufacturing back to the states hopefully this will become true.
Ive heard brother in law mention this recently although he didnt have much for details.

Ill try and get more details next time i see him but as mentioned above some of the cutting consumables are us made and i thought a few of the power tools come out of the southern plants. No idea where the hand tools come from but they sure are proud of them based on price.
 

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Not sure if this post is just to get a reaction or serious opinion. My brother in law is an engineer at milwaukee in brookfield wi. I know Ryobi and Milwaukee are under the same umbrella so i asked him if technology is shared between the two. His response was nope, both have different target markets and are independent of each other.


Ive heard brother in law mention this recently although he didnt have much for details.

Ill try and get more details next time i see him but as mentioned above some of the cutting consumables are us made and i thought a few of the power tools come out of the southern plants. No idea where the hand tools come from but they sure are proud of them based on price.

I call BS on being "independent of each other". TTI is the parent company of Ryobi, the Ridgid Power Tools contract, and Milwaukee. Information and technology will be shared across the organization. If one brand is cutting into another brand's market share then changes are made. Its standard corporate BS, and in my opinion Milwaukee is Ryobi in sheeps clothing. I bet Ryobi and Milwaukee are made in the same Chinese factory.

Your BIL contradicted himself:

 

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No idea where the hand tools come from but they sure are proud of them based on price.
All of the Milwaukee hand tools I’ve seen are Taiwan or China. Their pricing is more in line with USA non tool truck brands. The tools look ok but I’ll spend my money elsewhere.
 

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I call BS on being "independent of each other". TTI is the parent company of Ryobi, the Ridgid Power Tools contract, and Milwaukee. Information and technology will be shared across the organization. If one brand is cutting into another brand's market share then changes are made. Its standard corporate BS, and in my opinion Milwaukee is Ryobi in sheeps clothing. I bet Ryobi and Milwaukee are made in the same Chinese factory.

Your BIL contradicted himself:

In other words, you have nothing but a link from 2015 full of speculation and suppositions. I'll spell it out for you; you have no hard data. Meanwhile the rest of us whom have owned both are telling you that there is a very real difference between the two brands. Are you questioning our integrity? Can you give it a rest since you have no backing data? I just used my M18 circular saw, oddly enough it powered through jobs where the equivalent Ryobi quit every time. I wish Ryobi was the equivalent of Milwaukee, it sure would save me some money.
 

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All of the Milwaukee hand tools I’ve seen are Taiwan or China. Their pricing is more in line with USA non tool truck brands. The tools look ok but I’ll spend my money elsewhere.
Yep. Overpriced Ryobi junk rebadged as Milwaukee.
 

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In other words, you have nothing but a link from 2015 full of speculation and suppositions. I'll spell it out for you; you have no hard data. Meanwhile the rest of us whom have owned both are telling you that there is a very real difference between the two brands. Are you questioning our integrity? Can you give it a rest since you have no backing data? I just used my M18 circular saw, oddly enough it powered through jobs where the equivalent Ryobi quit every time. I wish Ryobi was the equivalent of Milwaukee, it sure would save me some money.
The guy is a tool expert and you are not. You paid for "Red" Ryobi junk. No difference, its the SAME parent company.
 

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The guy is a tool expert and you are not. You paid for "Red" Ryobi junk. No difference, its the SAME parent company.

To quote the article you linked: "At the time, I asked the question about whether the brands talk to each other because I know they operate completely independently, or at least Milwaukee is completely separate from Ridgid and Ryobi tool development and activities." ( https://toolguyd.com/milwaukee-ridgid-ryobi-coordinations/ )

Besides that, it's an open secret that TTI utilizes synergies between their three tool brands. You will often find them testing the waters with a Ryobi or AEG product, that later on is also released as Milwaukee variant/product. However, they are never the same/ aka just re-branded.

Ridgid is btw. NOT a TTI owned brand, it buys from TTI.

( https://www.ttigroup.com/our-business/brands/ )

Kind regards,
Oliver
 

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The guy is a tool expert and you are not. You paid for "Red" Ryobi junk. No difference, its the SAME parent company.
So, the following only requires a binary answer which means “yes“ or ”no”. In viewing the data from independent testing by @Torque Test Channel is it your argument that the Ryobi and Milwaukee numbers are exactly the same given that you have frequently claimed in this thread that the tools are the same? Remember, “yes” or “no”.
 

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Not sure if this post is just to get a reaction or serious opinion. My brother in law is an engineer at milwaukee in brookfield wi. I know Ryobi and Milwaukee are under the same umbrella so i asked him if technology is shared between the two. His response was nope, both have different target markets and are independent of each other.


Ive heard brother in law mention this recently although he didnt have much for details.

Ill try and get more details next time i see him but as mentioned above some of the cutting consumables are us made and i thought a few of the power tools come out of the southern plants. No idea where the hand tools come from but they sure are proud of them based on price.

To quote the article you linked: "At the time, I asked the question about whether the brands talk to each other because I know they operate completely independently, or at least Milwaukee is completely separate from Ridgid and Ryobi tool development and activities." ( https://toolguyd.com/milwaukee-ridgid-ryobi-coordinations/ )

Besides that, it's an open secret that TTI utilizes synergies between their three tool brands. You will often find them testing the waters with a Ryobi or AEG product, that later on is also released as Milwaukee variant/product. However, they are never the same/ aka just re-branded.

Ridgid is btw. NOT a TTI owned brand, it buys from TTI.

( https://www.ttigroup.com/our-business/brands/ )

Kind regards,
Oliver
Orange rigid are tools put out under license by TTI
 

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To quote the article you linked: "At the time, I asked the question about whether the brands talk to each other because I know they operate completely independently, or at least Milwaukee is completely separate from Ridgid and Ryobi tool development and activities." ( https://toolguyd.com/milwaukee-ridgid-ryobi-coordinations/ )

Besides that, it's an open secret that TTI utilizes synergies between their three tool brands. You will often find them testing the waters with a Ryobi or AEG product, that later on is also released as Milwaukee variant/product. However, they are never the same/ aka just re-branded.

Ridgid is btw. NOT a TTI owned brand, it buys from TTI.

( https://www.ttigroup.com/our-business/brands/ )

Kind regards,
Oliver
You failed to read. I stated TTI has the Ridgid power tools contract. Just like Ryobi had the Craftsman power tools contract prior to SBD

Technically rebranded, same darn company and what parent company wouldn't share technology across the board. Thats why companies buy other companies.
 

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So, the following only requires a binary answer which means “yes“ or ”no”. In viewing the data from independent testing by @Torque Test Channel is it your argument that the Ryobi and Milwaukee numbers are exactly the same given that you have frequently claimed in this thread that the tools are the same? Remember, “yes” or “no”.
Same parent company. I don't give buy the arguement its a different company. Just Ryobi junk. TTI replaced my pre-TTI Czech made milwaukee hammer drill without asking. It went in the garbage. Ryobi junk.
 

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Same parent company. I don't give buy the arguement its a different company. Just Ryobi junk. TTI replaced my pre-TTI Czech made milwaukee hammer drill without asking. It went in the garbage. Ryobi junk.
It was a “yes” or “no” question. Let’s try again, see if you can just answer the question.

So, the following only requires a binary answer which means “yes“ or ”no”. In viewing the data from independent testing by @Torque Test Channel is it your argument that the Ryobi and Milwaukee numbers are exactly the same given that you have frequently claimed in this thread that the tools are the same? Remember, “yes” or “no”.
 

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VW is the parent company for VW, Porsche, Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini, and Skoda among others. They are all the same, right?

One critical look at Milwaukee and Ryobi tools would show that they are different. Ryobi tools are fine for low usage, but it’s clear that they are built to a different price point than Milwaukee.
 

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It was a “yes” or “no” question. Let’s try again, see if you can just answer the question.
Im not going to argue with you. Same company, same overpriced junk. My opinion stands, same parent company, same junk. Please enjoy your delusions that you THINK its not the same company.
 
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