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Rick in California

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Hi, I am moving my mail panel 20 farther away and upgrading to a new 200 amp panel. My question is can i use connector to extend the current wire that goes from my existing main to my sub? Or is it required to be on continuous wire?
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Hi, I am moving my mail panel 20 farther away and upgrading to a new 200 amp panel. My question is can i use connector to extend the current wire that goes from my existing main to my sub? Or is it required to be on continuous wire?
Thanks
You can splice. But all splices have to be in an accessible junction box.

What gauge and type are the wires? Polaris connectors are a good way to make the space, if larger gauge.
 

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You have a100 amp existing service. Everything from the meter setting in has to be replaced to upgrade to 200. If the meter can is a 200, it can stay, but it's probably a 100. You also need to get the power company involved. This isn't a DIY project.
 

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Your original posting referred to your Mail Pane, this will fall under the jurisdiction of the Postal Service.

If you are considering updating your electrical panel, you might consider replacing those aluminum conductors with copper so you can pull more amps through them.

I had mine done by a specialized electrical contractor who had be swapping out panels for years. We were dark for only a few hours, because both the city inspector and the utility had time to plan and prepare.
 

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You have a100 amp existing service. Everything from the meter setting in has to be replaced to upgrade to 200. If the meter can is a 200, it can stay, but it's probably a 100. You also need to get the power company involved. This isn't a DIY project.
Not sure where you got that from what was posted. They said an existing main to subpanel.

to the OP - what's the size of your existing main panel? Can you give us some more details on the whole project? Is someone else doing the main panel move? Sometimes the old breaker panel is used as a box for the splices but not sure if that meets code.
 

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Not sure where you got that from what was posted. They said an existing main to subpanel.

to the OP - what's the size of your existing main panel? Can you give us some more details on the whole project? Is someone else doing the main panel move? Sometimes the old breaker panel is used as a box for the splices but not sure if that meets code.
He wants to upgrade to 200 from a 100. He has #4. #4 copper is a service entrance conductor for a 100 amp service, not a feeder.. What else could it be? He might have a main breaker outside that's a 100, but it's still a 100 amp service.

The 100 amp mail panel in the original post is almost undoubtedly supposed to say main panel, along with the fact that main panel is stated in the title of the thread.
 
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Not sure where you got that from what was posted. They said an existing main to subpanel.

to the OP - what's the size of your existing main panel? Can you give us some more details on the whole project? Is someone else doing the main panel move? Sometimes the old breaker panel is used as a box for the splices but not sure if that meets code.
Well he said mail panel. i think everyone is assuming he meant MAIN panel.
 
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Well he said mail panel. i think everyone is assuming he meant MAIN panel.
They also said "existing main to sub". They are asking about the run from the main to the sub and if it can be spliced. Lots of details I don't know and if I was to guess they would be a wag. If there is an existing 100A subpanel I would guess the main is bigger than that although I don't think it would have to be.
 

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They also said "existing main to sub". They are asking about the run from the main to the sub and if it can be spliced. Lots of details I don't know and if I was to guess they would be a wag. If there is an existing 100A subpanel I would guess the main is bigger than that although I don't think it would have to be.
you need to read it again

theres 2 parts here. First he's talking about moving the main and upgrading it, so how is he gonna get 200a to the new main panel when the existing one is not 200a? he will need to upgrade the service entrance wire and thus why people brought that up....

second part is about refeeding the subpanel off the new main. which can be spliced but needs to be in a junction box. might be easier to just pull new wire

1st part:
Hi, I am moving my mail panel 20 farther away and upgrading to a new 200 amp panel.

2nd part
My question is can i use connector to extend the current wire that goes from my existing main to my sub? Or is it required to be on continuous wire?
Thanks
 

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and re the panel move, there is a maximum distance the service can run inside without having current protection
not true under the NEC there is no rule. some AHJs, however do have a limit.

but we dont know if the OP has a meter main or just a main. or even where the main is located. The OP needs to provide a lot more details and some pics would definitely help
 

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are you saying that an unprotected service can be any lenght inside a house? I think we are allowed 1 meter ( 39" ) inside before we need a breaker
Maybe it's different up there, but how in the blue hell can you put a panel in the basement with only 39" of wire? Before the 2020 and the exterior disconnect requirements, around here, we were able to go up to 20' to the panel. A typical basement panel would require a minimum of 5' of conduit just to come out of the bottom of the meter can, LB through the wall, and 90 down into the top of the panel.
 

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no, the meters are outside, the service comes out of the meter, along the wall , to where ever the breaker panel is ( usually in the same area but not always) once it goes thru the wall it has to have a breaker within 1 meter from the inside of the wall.
in most cases the service comes straight out of the bottom of the meter , an LB to direct it in to the house and to the panel
 

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no, the meters are outside, the service comes out of the meter, along the wall , to where ever the breaker panel is ( usually in the same area but not always) once it goes thru the wall it has to have a breaker within 1 meter from the inside of the wall.
in most cases the service comes straight out of the bottom of the meter , an LB to direct it in to the house and to the panel
Gotcha. I confused the 39" meter with the wattage measuring type of meter. 39" of wire are allowed inside. That's doable. For some reason that closely resembles my head up my ***, I was thinking 39" of unprotected wire total, beginning at the electric meter.
 

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and re the panel move, there is a maximum distance the service can run inside without having current protection
If indeed it does get upgraded from a 100 to a 200, it's more than likely that everything that gets touched will have to be brought up to the current code. If the OP is on the 2020, that means an exterior disconnect. 99% of the time that will be accomplished by using a meter main so there won't be any unprotected wire anywhere.
 

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no, the meters are outside, the service comes out of the meter, along the wall , to where ever the breaker panel is ( usually in the same area but not always) once it goes thru the wall it has to have a breaker within 1 meter from the inside of the wall.
in most cases the service comes straight out of the bottom of the meter , an LB to direct it in to the house and to the panel
New member here, been lurking for awhile. The residential rule up here is 10' (3 meters) from the meter to the main breaker. Anything past 10' and you need to use rigid steel conduit. The exception is a farm service where you have the combination meter/breaker on a pole. With the farm service you can run as far as you want through the house, barn, or whatever building it is that you are servicing.
 
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