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Major problem with Bendpak lift installation - need engineering help for a solution

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You said it yourself. The architect screwed up, and that is why he has errors insurance... to pay for mistakes if and when he makes them. I would get an attorney involved, and have him send the architect a registered letter advising him that he made a mistake, and he is responsible for the cost of fixing the mistake. His insurance carrier will be paying for the PE to assess the damage, and how to correct the mistake. Like everyone has said, this isn't going to be cheap, but if it isn't corrected now, you will never be happy with the results later on.
When I was building my home, I found a mistake, and the framing crew foreman, said it is a small mistake, and that I should live with it. I said no way, and he replied that he wasn't going to fix it. I told him that he had a choice to either stop work immediately and leave the job, or to tear it out and fix it to conform with the plan. He and the rest of the crew walked off the job. I called my attorney, who called his boss, and explained what had happened. They were back there the next morning, and fixed the mistake. All too often, the people that are doing the work, have the attitude that they won't have to live with the mistakes, so there is no reason to fix them to satisfy the customer. The only thing that changes that is when you, the customer insist that it be done.

THIS!!

If you don't get what you had originally expected it will bug you every time you look at it. I don't know about you, but if I had put the time and money into this project at my house and ended up with the compromises that it appears you are considering, it would bug the ever loving **** out of me.

In the end it is YOUR deal and we are just providing our opinions. Just make sure that you are truly happy when it is finished.
 
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I am a professional carpenter, and I would charge you 5,000.00 $ to move that beam and correct that framing. That includes tearing out the drywall and hanging new drywall.

You put in the new beam, then take out the old one. Your framer knows exactly how to do this, he just doesn't want to. Actual labor costs are about 3000 tops.
 
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dipan

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Thanks for all the suggestions. I am going to get the recessed area enlarged by moving the laminated beam over and widening the other side also. The concrete is not a concern because it is good enough even without the piers. The ceiling modification will be a little more involved than the other solutions, but it is what I wanted in the first place and will fit the lift that is sitting here on the ground just begging to be installed. I am glad that I got all your opinions so quickly and very thankful ... I'll post up pics of the corrected space when it's done in a week or two.
 

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I would suggest that you set some duct tape on the floor, and clearly mark exactly where the lift columns will be located with a black magic marker, so there will be no chance that the carpenters can screw this up a second time. I would also push them to make it as wide as possible, so you have some "wiggle" room in the event that they has to be a slight change in the floor plan. Also, while you are having work done in the roof section, you might consider adding some electrical outlets in the upper side walls, so you can place retractable drop lights that you could pull down while the car is on the lift for additional lighting.
 

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Thanks for all the suggestions. I am going to get the recessed area enlarged by moving the laminated beam over and widening the other side also. The concrete is not a concern because it is good enough even without the piers. The ceiling modification will be a little more involved than the other solutions, but it is what I wanted in the first place and will fit the lift that is sitting here on the ground just begging to be installed. I am glad that I got all your opinions so quickly and very thankful ... I'll post up pics of the corrected space when it's done in a week or two.


Post some pics while it is being done as well. It would be neat to see the transformation step by step.

I know it is more work to get what you originally wanted, but if you settled for less it would bug you forever. When I built my shop I reminded myself that I would most likely only build one dream shop my life, so I made sure I got exactly what I wanted.

Chris
 
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I am going to get the recessed area enlarged by moving the laminated beam over and widening the other side also. The concrete is not a concern because it is good enough even without the piers. The ceiling modification will be a little more involved than the other solutions, but it is what I wanted in the first place and will fit the lift that is sitting here on the ground just begging to be installed. I am glad that I got all your opinions so quickly and very thankful ... I'll post up pics of the corrected space when it's done in a week or two.

Awesome...this is the best solution. Everything else is a compromise.
 
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dipan

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Corrections in progress ...
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dipan

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Good, on their dime?

Yes ...

Slight holdup because the concrete guys came to grind a slope for the center drain under the lift (that they forgot to do at the time of the original pour) but decided that they had to chisel out 2-3 inches and are going to repour the rectangle made by the floor floods. They beat the framing crew out here showing up at 7:30 today, do the framing will get done Monday.
 

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why hasn't anyone thought about it from the stand point if it was your own? He gave the builder the correct size needed for the lift and had it engineered so it would work. The framers didn't frame it correctly! They have to tear it out and do it right or have a engineer come up something that will pass all codes!! Its all on them not the owner !!! I know its a lot of work but by all means get what you paid for!!!!!!!!!!


Bingo.... have it redone to correct specifications.. sounds like the architect screwed the pooch..

and to the op, actually it doesnt look like its going to be to bad to get it fixed after they got started on it.. I guess that main beam will be expensive, bu tthe rest doesn tlook so bad.. Good Luck,,
 
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Glad your getting it like you wanted.
Friendly suggestion to insure they put in a new stud column in that back exterior wall under the 3 ply lvl at it's new location (doesn't look like any sheetrock has been removed there yet).
Steve
 
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dipan

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I'm happy about how the fix is going. There will definitely be a new stud column in the wall, not worried there. I thought they could simply move the beam over but looks like they have to cut it out because there's a million nails holding the LVLs together and at each T junction where there are joist hangers. There are 4 new 28' LVLs on site for the job.
 

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e a few pieces of the scrap lumber, to use as chocks under the frame of a car when you lift it and want to move the jack away. I stack lumber under the frame members to act like a jack stand, but unlike a jack stand, they are easier to adjust for height...
 

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Glad this is getting fixed properly.
If you should run into a height issue again ... Maybe recess the posts into the concrete.
 

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Glad this is getting fixed properly.

X2 and as it should be.

Bet the guy pays more attention to the plans and the customers desires the next time..LOL
 
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dipan

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Looks good!!

They are going to triple up the stud under the new beam location aren't they?

Chris

Yes, they did ...

I'll post more pics when done. I know how you guys hate pics...

The small area of the roof will be refoamed. Looks like they found a taller ladder too!

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Have you asked if they can get the foam insulation company to come back to do the repair. Foam is so much better than fiberglas, but usually they won't come for small jobs. Too much set up time, and clean up time for small jobs.
 
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dipan

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The fix has been made and the lift installed. Believe it or not the builder had to tear a small part of the modification out again as there needed to be a little more clearance than just the specified height of the columns just to stand them up. Just another inch was needed so the drywall was taken down and a small area raised around the crossbar.

Because of only a small amount of foam that needed to be scraped off the one area some cans of spray foam were used instead of calling the foam guys out again.

I have not taken pics yet but will do so. Been busy with flooring decisions this week ...

A big "Thank You!" to everyone that helped me out with this problem. I'm considering it solved :beer:
 
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The round things are for floor uplighting floods.

dipan, I've been following your thread with great interest and am glad you ended up with such a satisfactory resolution. The reframing for the lift and the solution to the pitch problem both worked out great. The whole garage looks fantastic.

Sorry to go off topic but what are you using for floor lights under the lift? I did something similar and roughed in for floor lights but I still haven't found the right light. Thanks in advance.
 

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Did you finally end up using the wide or narrow configuration? How far back are the posts from the front and left side walls?
 
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dipan

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Did you finally end up using the wide or narrow configuration? How far back are the posts from the front and left side walls?

Wide configuration. I'll have to guess around 2 feet on the left, much more in the front. I'm afraid to ask for fear of finding another issue, but .... Why?
 

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Just curious. I'm planning my Bendpak install, but have a relatively narrow garage (21 ft). The narrow configuration would fit the best, but I'm worried about usability. Glad your issues appear to have been properly resolved.
 
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