Major shop rearrangement

[Strouty]

I am definitely gaining on it, slowly, but I can see the light now.

Trying to figure out how to buy a hook lift setup for one of my trucks without spending any money. I can find the hook lifts, but for some reason, everyone wants lots of money for them.

When you have some time, you should post a couple pictures of the new equipment, it is always neat to see what others are up to.

Have a good night Royce.

 

[royce]

Glad you are gaining on it Strouty,
Here is a few pics

Royce

 

[Strouty]

Very nice, I like the panel saw!

 

[royce]

Very nice, I like the panel saw!

The panel saw is made by a italian company called GMC.
It was purchased by Conoco in 2013 and never put together or used.
There was no info with it and a puzzle to get put together.
It is precise and has great dust collection built in.
Now I need to figure out weather to keep it or peddle it.

Royce

 

[Strouty]

If you were closer, I would say sell it.

Yesterday I was set to scrap something, this morning I changed my mind again, my advice changes with the wind, so don’t rely on anything I suggest.

 

[rnmcaasi]

Lot of work but I believe itll look well for yah!

 

[royce]

Put a bit of work in the shop in the last couple days.
Decided to keep the panel saw for now and got it set where it goes, as well as landed the miter station and lathe.
It has been difficult to figure out the layout for the wood milling side of the shop.
Also got started on the table saw station, it consists of a 16" Oliver 270D, a 10" Powermatic 66 and a 10" Rockwell 10.
I'm tying the 3 saws together with a steel frame and will infill the voids with some 1/2" laminate I salvaged.
I set it up about the middle of the 11'-9"x 43'-6"area so I can get around all sides and able to rip as long as needed.

Royce

 

[zkling]

Man you have good taste in equipment! How do you find so much of it up there? I hope to have a shop some day where I can refer to the bay(s) as cardinal directions.

 

[royce]

Thanks zkling,
As far as finding equipment, I keep my eyes and ears open.

Royce

 

[royce]

The frame is all cut out, drilled and bolted up, I'll get the filler panels fit up and then tack the frame together.
Got some laminate ripped today for the filler panels.
It was good to have a track saw being as the fences were off the table saws.
I'll get them fit to length tomorrow after I get a saw blade.
I got about 24' of cut and the combination blade is in need of a grind.
Maybe I can find one made for composites.

Royce

 

[KMScott]

Very nice Royce. Gonna follow your progress. Those are beefy saws.

 

[royce]

Thanks Kevin,
Got the filler panels fit up today, now need to flip them over and glue some doublers on with mounting bolts.
After the doublers, I'll cut some miter slots in them.
Also thinking I'll mount a router along side the Oliver.

Royce

 

[royce]

Made a small bit of headway today, doublers glued up with mounting bolts and brackets.

Royce

 

[turbowoodworker]

Hi Royce,

I have a few thoughts about your TS factory. Very cool that you have three old iron saws in your island. Since you asked...

1. Based on your setup, do you have specific tasks for each individual saw? I set mine up with the plan that the 5HP saw would be best at ripping (think 2" maple) and I would use the smaller contractor saw for sled crosscuts. (I also have the RAS setup for 23/32" dados and keep it that way as it is my least favorite and scariest too but is very accurate for crosscut dados). (Dewalt miter saw for small crosscuts).

2. How does the fence system for each saw interact with your structure to hold them together? I recall the 66PM has the Biesemeyer type fence but what about the Oliver?

3. I think I see levelers on your "doublers". Smart. You will want to make sure there is adjustment as handling long pieces or sheet goods will get caught on a "lip".

4. Dumb and unnecessary point as I am well aware of your attention to detail, but you do plan on derusting those table tops before all goes together right?

5. Dust collection plans for all those saws? We talked about overhead DC by PM but you will definitely want good 4" ports underneath. How are the old saws setup for DC? I have seen homemade shrouds for contractor saw open bases.


Great progress. How's the fire weed blooming? As I typed this I remembered some good times on the deck at Pike's Landing with a cold Alaska Pale Ale.

 

[royce]

Good morning Turbo,
I appreciate your thoughts and welcome the input.

1 We are thinking alike, PM 66 for cross cuts and sled work, Rockwell for dados and the Oliver for ripping,as it is the only one that can be rigged with a riving knife.

2 The Oliver has a Beismeyer fence and I will be adding a longer rail tube to it to encompass the extension.
The 66 and the Rockwell both came with round rail fences and I will replace them with a single Beismeyer style fence that will serve both saws.
While the 66 has a great fence, I like the Beismeyer style better for fine adjustments.

3 It was bit of a chore to take 3 pieces of cast iron that each had their own weaknesses, [crown, cup, twist, out of square and parallel] and make them one. I made sure to build in all the adjustment I could, including jack legs on each machine, oversize holes on the frame rails and leveling screws on the infill panels. It really paid off in the end and I'm tickled with how fair and square it turned out.

4 You bet

5 I'm working on a plan for dust collection and need to put more thought into it.
I'm thinking about skirting the whole thing and adding some drawers to make good use of the space under it for storage.
The Oliver and the 66 both have 4" ports and the Rockwell has a open cabinet.

Do you have any thought about mounting a router to this station?
Lift? Brand?
Location? From front edge? From left edge?
Miter slot? Distance from router plate?

The fireweed has not blossomed yet.
The fireweed going to seed is the indicator to get ready to go catch a moose and summer is done, bittersweet and double edged.

Sorry for being long winded and thanks for the help

Royce

 

[turbowoodworker]

Royce,

I would add a router since you clearly have lots of room. Depending on location you could use one of the TS fences for the router.

Brand??? I do not have a router lift. While I think they are very nice, they are so expensive. I would love a lift but I use so many routers (and they are relatively inexpensive), I would spend a fortune on lifts. I have about 8 or 9 routers of varying size. Years ago I bought a Rockler double router table with two bases. I incorporated this into a salvaged kitchen cabinet and placed it on casters. The table top, which is 2" thick composite, was attached to the cabinet with a piano hinge. I use simple supports to hold the top open (like a rod on an import car hood). I placed a 4 inch DC collector. It works well and I can leave the bits set up when doing coping etc.

The rest of my routers are set up for dovetails, plunging, etc. and specialty nontable tasks and don't need frequent adjustment.

My two HD routers in the cabinet are Hitachi 1/2". Someone sells a simple threaded nut on a tube with a knob that replaces the height adjusting screws so moving up and down is a breeze and is way less expensive than a lift. But it must be accessed from inside. These could be easily fabricated by someone with your talent. I can supply pics if needed but will be OOT for a week.

I use my various routers so much that I keep them separate from the TS but in your case, you have lots of room.

Rick

 

[turbowoodworker]

Oh, if you are thinking miter slot, I would actually plan it to use the TS fence but move it far right or left of the blade and set in an aftermarket miter slot near the router base. Rockler and others sell these as they sell the individual route bases.

 

[royce]

Thanks Rick,
I'll put some more thought into the router set up.
Got the miter slots cut in the filler panels today.
Now to start on some fence design.

Royce

 

[royce]

Been ****** hot here for a few days, so to tolerate it, we've been spending time on the water.
But did get the fence rails made and bolted on.
I got started on the tee part of the fence, used some of the 1/2" laminate for the bearing surfaces, it runs very smooth and should wear well.

Royce

 

[turbowoodworker]

Nice view Royce. I love watching your fabrication pics.

 

[royce]

Thanks Rick
Got a little more done on one of the fences.
I used the cast iron fence off the powermatic and also one of the cams.

Royce

 

[turbowoodworker]

Looking good,
You may want to check out the latest issue of Fine Woodworking. There is a good comprehensive article on router table basics. Not sales pitches for the latest greatest, but rather a review of basic techniques. I just got my issue in the mail so yours should reach the AK newsstand in, say, October?