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Ok.... now that the bills for all the garage goodies are coming in... Does anyone have a good way to make money using your garage? ie, auto repair, etc. I want to start spreading the word, but I'm trying to figure out the best way to do it without opening up a "business". I'm just talking about a couple of side jobs here and there, etc. What do I charge? Do I charge my friends?

Any help would be appreciated, especially if you've done this kind of thing before.
 
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To figure out how much to charge, think of this; how much is your time worth? How difficult is the task? Do you have all of the tools and parts at hand, or will you need tto get them?

I'd charge friends. Besides, really good friends would pay you even if you didn't charge them.

To start spreading the word, just mention it to your friends and have them mention it to theirs.

One thing to remember, if this start getting big, be sure to report the money you're making on your taxes! You don't want Uncle Sam knocking on your day saying he's the new owner of your garage. lol.
 

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Do I charge my friends?
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Man that's tough...not saying you wouldn't get the job done right, but when it comes to exhanging money between friends you could end up with some bad feelings and possibly losing friends... Maybe just "help" them with their repairs but they should buy any specialty tools required...hopefully, that you get to keep...oh, and the beer...

Good luck, you've got a great place.
 

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Man that's tough...not saying you wouldn't get the job done right, but when it comes to exhanging money between friends you could end up with some bad feelings and possibly losing friends... Maybe just "help" them with their repairs but they should buy any specialty tools required...hopefully, that you get to keep...oh, and the beer...

Good luck, you've got a great place.

Save your friendships and build your buddies their own awesome garage!

You DIY'd a lot of your shop, right? And it's sure enough nice enough to serve as a showroom/ sales vehicle- why not get your contractor's license and start building dream garages for a living? See how much of it you can write off as a business expense, just for kicks. :D

I know that's probably not what you were looking for, but it's something that I kick around from time to time in my head (the contractor's license/ hanging out my shingle deal).
 

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Tune-up lawnmowers!

You can usually make 40$-50$ for an hour ( about how long a tuneup takes, give or take) worth of work. Its usually not too difficult. They are pretty straight forward and Ive only got about 10$ worth of specialty tools specifically for doing tuneups. If youd like I can PM you with more details, just ask.

Now repair is a whole different thing. Its a pain in the *** having to deal with customers and telling them that thier 3 1/2 year old 300$ lawnmower cant be fixed because they didnt want to spend $1.25 on a quart of oil to keep it full. Repairs can be a ***** because they are deceptivly simple and customers arnt always up front with you. Also, you will get some lawnmowers that need repair and it takes you a half hour to fully troubleshoot and diagnose a problem, only to have the customer say its not worth fixing, and you essentially donated a half hour of labor. Tuneups are the most profitable, easy, and rather fun. Word of mouth goes very far with this, trust me.

Stay away from Cars because of the liability. OK, so you offer to change a flat tire as a service to the lady down the street. Some freak accident occurs with her wheel falling off or something... well guess who gets the blame? Dont do it! The only time I would want to do any serious work on somebody else's car is if I was just assisting them, working along side them as a sort of extra pair of hands, ya know?

Charging is a bit difficult when it comes to people you know. What I have found works best is over your service as just that, A service! For close friends and neighboors I dont markup parts, and so they get stuff at my cost, but other than that, as it was put to me... dont be afraid to charge for your time!


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There are insurance issues as well. Unlikely you'd start a fire while working on one of those cars but if you did, there's no question the insurance company would get to the bottom of it. The downside is too great I think.
 

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As with many things, a lot of it depends. Everyone has posted some good things to think about.

Another thing to consider is whether you really mean to be profitable or if you just like working on stuff and sort of want to break even. If it is going to be profitable, you're going to have to run it as a business - whether above board or under the table. Anything else and you likely won't turn any profit.

This decision affects your question about charging friends. If it is run as a business, you have to charge friends. You might give them a discount, but if you are too generous where do you draw the line? This friend only pays for materials but that friend pays half your hourly rate and someone else pays your full hourly rate? What happens if they compare notes? Then what happens if you have a paying job and a friend wants something done as well? Do you put off the friend since he isn't paying? Do you turn down the paying job? What happens when you have your own project, overtime, or other family obligations? A paying customer isn't likely to understand if you have to drop his project for a couple weeks. Unless you are considering it as a business, a lot of what you'll be doing is going to be word of mouth with friends anyway - there goes any profit...

I make a bit of money on the side doing odd jobs - welding something back together for someone, clearing snow with the Bobcat, light woodworking, light repairs, that sort of thing. By the way, "quick" Bobcat jobs are likely my most profitable. Just something like clearing snow when you have six to eight inches or more. I can clear a driveway here in town in under ten minutes and they'd be out there for hours with a shovel or half an hour to forty-five minutes with a snowblower - if they have one. So compared to the work they'd have to do, $30 to $40 seems cheap to them and I'm making over $100 an hour... Likewise, when they are looking at the time to use a shovel, wheelbarrow, and the subsequent chiropractor bill; an hour or two with the Bobcat seems cheap at any price.

Anyway, I don't see these things as a business and very rarely will give a "price" for my work. My first rule is that my next door neighbor never gets charged for anything other than materials. We're always borrowing tools from each other, lending a hand, etc. His help is worth far more than anything I could charge for an hourly rate. Other than that, I usually just tell people to give me what they feel is fair. Mind you, I only take on little jobs as I have enough of my own stuff that I can't find time to get to. Most of the time I actually get more than what I would have asked for and those times I feel like they were cheap, I just file that away and am "busy" the next time they need something done. It isn't worth my time to have to argue with someone over fees or to get involved in some large, drawn out project.

So think about what your goals are first and work from there.
 

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given the size of you garage, lease out a bay to a buddy. it's zero labor, the money will (should) reliably come in every month, and you get to share tools. ;)
 

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I think the best way to make a little $ on the side is to find a niche market for a particular part and make it. Something like how Type 85 Audis need a firewall brace to keep the slave cylinder from ripping thru the sheetmetal. Then sell it on mailing lists (BMW, eh?), eBay. Depending upon the part contracting laser time might be the way to go. Or maybe it's an excuse to buy a CNC plasma table ;)

Liability may or may not be an issue (look into possible disclaimers such as "offroad use only" or "not intended for highway use"), but the income is hard to prove and your neighbors (or officials of any local municipality) never know if you're "running a business" because they don't see a bunch of different cars coming and going, they just see you tinkering at your workbench.

Then again BMW, while your shop is sweet it doesn't strike me as a fab shop, and I'm afraid welding sparks or plasma slag might harm that purty floor, so maybe this won't work for you...............
 

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WARNING: It is a very slippery slope mixing business with pleasure. It can make you find a new hobby pretty easily.

My suggestion would be to buy used parts and trim in reasonable condition and refurbish them to like new\restored condition and then resell them.

You can do it at your own pace.
You decide how much your time is worth and reflect that in the price AFTER the work is done.
You are only working for yourself, little if any customer interaction other than taking their $ and getting them the parts.
You won't get into a rut and you can teach yourself new skills as different parts come along that require different skills to restore. You can then apply these skills to your own projects as well as to home maintenance etc.

Just my .02
 

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If word gets around that you have a lift and you're ok with the liability issue, just rent out the lift time, maybe tool usage as well. I would pay for lift access for some jobs.
Charging friends would be difficult though. Some would understand, but all would not.

As far as regular jobs, maybe brake pads, tire rotation, stuff like that for friends and locals might bring in a little $. Tire rotation around here runs about $20.
 

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As being a previous businessman (contractor/residential) I wish I could tell you the number of times that a friend asked if I could help them with something at their house. When I first started, I tried it a couple of times and like has been said. Even though they are not paying anything, they will treat you like they are. Their expectations usually are alot different than your reality. They see a new garage in their sugar plum visions in their head that looks perfect, and is done in lighting speed, for a little to nothing. Your reality is that it will be done in your spare time(lol), with help from them(lol), and it will be understood that you have to make a living so you will have to pull off and pick up your tools and go work somewhere for money sometimes. And that you are doing them a favor and they will understand(lol). The best advice I ever received from someone is that if your service is your lively hood, or a part time living, you charge for it. There is enough competition without being your own competition. Discounts on parts or materials yeah, discounts on labor no way, if you weren't spending the time doing your work for your friend, you would probably be doing for a customer at your current labor rates. Friends/Business = Oil/Water.
 

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I used to do a bit of work on the side while going to collage a long time ago, even had some business cards printed up. If you were looking for a basic job with minimal problems I'd recommend going with brake jobs. Most service stations charge a lot for brakes and you can ubdercut their prices. Brakes are fairly easy to work on and rarely have problematic returns. As far as prices go, an old school shop teacher told me when I first started out to come up with a price that was fair and reasonable that you would be willing to pay to have the work done, and then double it. Works really well and you can apply it friends too.
 
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Man, now I don't know what to do!

I definitely am not into it to get rich, I just want to make some money. I'm thinking mainly maintenance things: brakes, tire rotation, OIL CHANGES, etc. would be good. Something that doesn't take too long. I might even be able to get my friend to do some detail work in the other bay - I don't know.

All in all, these are all valid points. I think I'm going to just go with the flow and see what happens. Not too overly anxious, not too scared to take on a trial job. We'll see...

Thanks!
 
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I think the best way to make a little $ on the side is to find a niche market for a particular part and make it. Something like how Type 85 Audis need a firewall brace to keep the slave cylinder from ripping thru the sheetmetal. Then sell it on mailing lists (BMW, eh?), eBay. Depending upon the part contracting laser time might be the way to go. Or maybe it's an excuse to buy a CNC plasma table ;)

Liability may or may not be an issue (look into possible disclaimers such as "offroad use only" or "not intended for highway use"), but the income is hard to prove and your neighbors (or officials of any local municipality) never know if you're "running a business" because they don't see a bunch of different cars coming and going, they just see you tinkering at your workbench.

Then again BMW, while your shop is sweet it doesn't strike me as a fab shop, and I'm afraid welding sparks or plasma slag might harm that purty floor, so maybe this won't work for you...............

Not a welder YET, but I am dying to get one. Not scared about killing the floor, but will probably take some precaution to avoid killing it too much. My garage is a working garage for sure.
 

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Wile1Coyote hit it right on the head. Finding bargain parts at your own convenience and repairing or refurbishing them at your own pace. Wait til you change oil for the nice old lady down the street and she gets a flat tire the next day and says that tire was fine until you worked on her car. Sounds crazy but I've been there and you won't believe what people will do. I love people and thought as long as I treated them fairly and as I myself would want to be treated everything would be OK. Welcome to the new generation of me first and call my laywer.Just my 2 cents
 

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I dismantle dead little MG's & sell the parts off them...I also buy restorable MG's, make a few repairs & then sell them to people who want to build their own...don't make a lot of money but I pretty much pay for my hobby!
 
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Wile1Coyote hit it right on the head. Finding bargain parts at your own convenience and repairing or refurbishing them at your own pace. Wait til you change oil for the nice old lady down the street and she gets a flat tire the next day and says that tire was fine until you worked on her car. Sounds crazy but I've been there and you won't believe what people will do. I love people and thought as long as I treated them fairly and as I myself would want to be treated everything would be OK. Welcome to the new generation of me first and call my laywer.Just my 2 cents

Yea a friend of mine actually had a good business of refurbing stuff and he did pretty well.

I hear you on the old lady thing, not much I can do about that except tell her off. I have to at least try it out. If I start getting burned, I'll have to stop.
 
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I dismantle dead little MG's & sell the parts off them...I also buy restorable MG's, make a few repairs & then sell them to people who want to build their own...don't make a lot of money but I pretty much pay for my hobby!

I also plan on doing this, too! Could be better money if the freaking people on eBay stop burning everyone. Not like it used to be...
 

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I'd recommend going with brake jobs. Most service stations charge a lot for brakes and you can ubdercut their prices. Brakes are fairly easy to work on and rarely have problematic returns.

Until someone sues you so bad your grandkids know about.

I would avoid brakes for that simple reason
 
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There definitely seems to be liability w brakes, altho I agree they'd be an easy money maker otherwise. I'm probably just paranoid but as soon as your customer rear ends someone while eating fast food and talking on his cell he's gonna claim your brake job was the culprit........and you're looking at lawsuits from not only him but the victims, too.

As for used parts, I always thought you could make a partial living selling used parts on eBay that you buy at the Pick 'N Pull. Totally different world from Beemers, but Dana 44 flat top knuckles are easy to find at u-pull-its and Jeepers will stumble all over themselves to bid them into the stratosphere on Ebay. Lots of stuff like that, but essentially all you're doing is letting people pay you for your time and labor at the junkyards, unless you actually refurb the part.

My last neighbor was unpleasant and swore I was running a commercial business (I wasn't BTW, nor was I selling parts or making parts to sell). She tried every possible way to get me in trouble w the county, and one of the things the code enforcement officer asked her was if she could show that I had a sign on my property, an ad in the phone book, or business cards. None of this existed.
 

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autoist said:
I dismantle dead little MG's & sell the parts off them...I also buy restorable MG's, make a few repairs & then sell them to people who want to build their own...don't make a lot of money but I pretty much pay for my hobby!


I'm do this also with ford sho"s I find a parts car and slowly part it out as needed , as i find rebuildables i fix and resell them. (wife stole my last one)

Jeff
 

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I retired in 2001 from the general insurance business (cars, homes, businesses) after a 30 year run. I cannot quote the exclusion but there difinitely would be no coverage for either property or liability losses that arose out of a business in your shop. You can get a coverage rider for an exposure such as a home operated office, but not a mechanic type operation-including something like fixing lawnmowers. If there should be a fire and the insurance company sniffs out the fact that you had a business in there they would attempt to not pay for the property loss. Also there would be issues such as damage to automobiles of others while in you care/custody/control and there is the issue of 'completed operations' (damage to someone's vehicles caused by your work on the vehicle.) If you were going to do even small mechanical jobs you would be served to get a commercial garage type liability policy. Those used to be somewhat affordable but the minimum premiums have probably gone up (a $thousand would be a guess). You likely need to form a small Corporation or LLC in order to try to limit your liability. I doubt that some sort of waiver of liability would work very well.
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I retired in 2001 from the general insurance business (cars, homes, businesses) after a 30 year run. I cannot quote the exclusion but there difinitely would be no coverage for either property or liability losses that arose out of a business in your shop. You can get a coverage rider for an exposure such as a home operated office, but not a mechanic type operation-including something like fixing lawnmowers. If there should be a fire and the insurance company sniffs out the fact that you had a business in there they would attempt to not pay for the property loss. Also there would be issues such as damage to automobiles of others while in you care/custody/control and there is the issue of 'completed operations' (damage to someone's vehicles caused by your work on the vehicle.) If you were going to do even small mechanical jobs you would be served to get a commercial garage type liability policy. Those used to be somewhat affordable but the minimum premiums have probably gone up (a $thousand would be a guess). You likely need to form a small Corporation or LLC in order to try to limit your liability. I doubt that some sort of waiver of liability would work very well.
Good luck.

What's the difference, insurance-wise, between fixing a bunch of my cars or fixing a bunch of my friends' cars?
 

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What's the difference, insurance-wise, between fixing a bunch of my cars or fixing a bunch of my friends' cars?


A whole lot that's what! Expectations of strangers that pay you to fix their car means you are the professional and they have paid for something to be fixed on their car, if not, you are the last in line when they come to sue. If you get a spot of grease on their seat or the neighbor kid slides the handle gripless handle bar of his bike down the side of their car, you are paying for it. On the other hand, your buddy you are helping, not doing and being paid for a specific job. Insurance and legit wise it is night and day difference, and my brother is the insurance agent, but my dad sold his gas station twenty years ago and moved everything home and started working in the home shop, been there done that.
Got a waiting room? Restroom? You are going to taxi them back home? A lot to think about, plus it won't take the neighbors long to figure it out and complain if you don't do their cars for free.
 

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I'm disappointed in you guys... three pages and no one has mentioned a stripper pole.

It is a simple math equation.

Stripper Pole + College Girls + Video Camera = $$$$

Hell, you could even save in startup costs by leaving out the video camera and just have local guys pay to get in. :thumbup:
 

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What's the difference, insurance-wise, between fixing a bunch of my cars or fixing a bunch of my friends' cars?

You can't sue yourself.

Even if you think your friends would never sue you, their insurance companies would without thinking. So would the insurance company of the person put into a wheelchair by your friend.

Even working on your own cars is not to be done lightly. If you hit/hurt someone because of a mechanical failure on your car that can be traced back to something you did, you'd be in a world of hurt legally. Guaranteed bankruptcy.
 
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A whole lot that's what! Expectations of strangers that pay you to fix their car means you are the professional and they have paid for something to be fixed on their car, if not, you are the last in line when they come to sue. If you get a spot of grease on their seat or the neighbor kid slides the handle gripless handle bar of his bike down the side of their car, you are paying for it. On the other hand, your buddy you are helping, not doing and being paid for a specific job. Insurance and legit wise it is night and day difference, and my brother is the insurance agent, but my dad sold his gas station twenty years ago and moved everything home and started working in the home shop, been there done that.
Got a waiting room? Restroom? You are going to taxi them back home? A lot to think about, plus it won't take the neighbors long to figure it out and complain if you don't do their cars for free.

You're blowing this way out of proportion. I'm not talking about stangers in my question, just friends. It not going to be a recognized commercial operation so there's no need for a waiting room, etc. If anything they would be infrequent side jobs for someone I know.
 
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You can't sue yourself.

Even if you think your friends would never sue you, their insurance companies would without thinking. So would the insurance company of the person put into a wheelchair by your friend.

Even working on your own cars is not to be done lightly. If you hit/hurt someone because of a mechanical failure on your car that can be traced back to something you did, you'd be in a world of hurt legally. Guaranteed bankruptcy.

So we shouldn't work on our own cars?? That's a bunch of bologna!
 

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I refuse to go through life overly concerned about being sued, getting injured, hurting someone, tree falling on my neighbors property, kids jumping my (locked) fence to play in my pool, etc...
It's called life, live it.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling. :willy_nil

Although a repair shop waiting room with a stripper poll would get all my business.

Simplist least offensive might be a detail shop. Although I'll sue you for mental anguish if there's a water spot on my hood.
 

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Make something with your tools and space and sell it. You can have a home based business as long as there is no real foot trafic to speak of, and around here you can have a sign but it cannot be more than 2'x2'. There are a ton of people making "crafts" and selling them from home on the internet and at shows. Crafts can be whatever you want it to mean. I do this with my cnc plasma cutter and do pretty well considering I still work full time. Its actually paying for a new shop being built right now. :thumbup:
 

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My $.02. Careful what you ask for. I end up with so much sidework that MY
projects that I built the place for are suffering...:headscrat Of course the
extra $cratch doesn't hurt anything though.:lol_hitti
 

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An ex-friend will sue you quicker than a stranger and avoid you forever over a few bucks. Just facts gotten from the school of hard knocks. The guys are telling you the straight skinney not to scare you but to inform you of what if.
 

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Luckydevil said:
I'm disappointed in you guys... three pages and no one has mentioned a stripper pole.

It is a simple math equation.

Stripper Pole + College Girls + Video Camera = $$$$

Hell, you could even save in startup costs by leaving out the video camera and just have local guys pay to get in. :thumbup:

Shh...I don't need any competition!!
 

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Personally, I'd consider "outsourcing" rather than "insourcing." Find a way to market your experience in garage design/builds, or find a (BMW) specialty and sell your knowledge. Easier, cleaner and much bigger demographic that trying to bring friends/neighbors/clients into your garage.

But hey, what do I know. I have a stripper pole in my garage. :)

Speed
 
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spdracer said:
Personally, I'd consider "outsourcing" rather than "insourcing." Find a way to market your experience in garage design/builds, or find a (BMW) specialty and sell your knowledge. Easier, cleaner and much bigger demographic that trying to bring friends/neighbors/clients into your garage.

But hey, what do I know. I have a stripper pole in my garage. :)

Speed

I've actually pondered going into business building custom garages...then I built one. On top of all the work, I had to deal with some crummy contractors. There's trouble with any money making idea if you think about it. Still thinking about doing what you mentioned in some sort of capacity though.
 

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My daughter, a lawyer, & my son-in-law, another attorney, both told me two things:

1. When there's blood on the pavement no amount of signatures relieving me of liability will stop a law suit.

2. Throw away all used brake & seatbelts parts - the profit isn't worth the possibility of law suits.

Then, they made my little garage business an LLC to protect me and my wife & our personal property.
 

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So we shouldn't work on our own cars?? That's a bunch of bologna!

Not what I was saying at all. Simply acknowledge that your (and mine) hobby carries with it a slim but real risk of financially devastating lawsuit (particularly in law-suit happy US of A). C'mon, think about it, it's common sense really.

Working on other peoples cars magnifies that risk greatly, and I wouldn't go there personally without proper business insurance for liability.
 

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Well it's been almost 2 years, what was the outcome of this? :) I did a search for "money" and came up with this thread.


As for used parts, I always thought you could make a partial living selling used parts on eBay that you buy at the Pick 'N Pull. Totally different world from Beemers, but Dana 44 flat top knuckles are easy to find at u-pull-its and Jeepers will stumble all over themselves to bid them into the stratosphere on Ebay. Lots of stuff like that, but essentially all you're doing is letting people pay you for your time and labor at the junkyards, unless you actually refurb the part.
I thought the same thing too a few years ago when I was rebuilding my LT1. I bought a glass bead machine and a solvent tank, and did a bang-up job of cleaning up my mechanical water pump. I was thinking how easy it would be to buy up relatively cheap parts, clean them up, maybe even form a relationship with an affordable powdercoater in the area (or even set up your own powder-coating operation) and do things like that. I never got around to it though.


My last neighbor was unpleasant and swore I was running a commercial business (I wasn't BTW, nor was I selling parts or making parts to sell). She tried every possible way to get me in trouble w the county, and one of the things the code enforcement officer asked her was if she could show that I had a sign on my property, an ad in the phone book, or business cards. None of this existed.
I had the same problem with my last neighbor. I had quite a few cars (None of them eyesores or heaps of junk). He was constantly calling the city on me. I got a certified letter accusing me of running a business out of my garage. I had to write a letter back with the VIN or license plate # of every vehicle on my property and who the owner was (me, of course). After that the city left me alone about the business part. Then I was constantly harassed if I left a vehicle parked in front of my house for more than a few days without moving it. (I lived 2nd to last house at the end of a cul-de-sac). Or if I left my trailer attached to the truck in the street. Or I got harassed for my race car in the driveway...any car visible must either be registered/inspected, or able to move under it's own power. I had a hell of a time with that guy. Almost threw down a couple times.



A real good friend of mine ran a speed shop down in TX, and after he saw the quality of work I did on my cars, he wanted me to do some part-time work for him. The basic approach to the whole thing between us is "business is business, friendship is friendship", and we didn't mix the two. If I needed something from him, I expected to make it worth his time, because if he's working on my stuff, then he's not making money off someone else's stuff. Of course I usually got a break/fair price, it was all good. I did some side work/projects for him as well, he paid me 40% of his hourly labor rate of $35/hr, so I got $14/hour, and I was fine with that. Not only did I get to work on stuff and make money, but I had pretty much unlimited access to a full shop with a lift, torch, welder, plasma cutter etc. etc. I did a head gasket job for him on his Supra and he paid me as if his car was a customers ($14/hr), and he was very happy with the way the car turned out.

We would all kind of trade off on things, one guy was good at welding so he would do that for us, another was good at another skill, for the most part we'd just trade our skilled labor with each other.
 
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If you like detailing cars, you could always start doing that. Do a few neighbors and friends for the cost of materials or free. Tell them to talk about you a little bit. I did it last year on weekends whenever someone wanted it done. I started at 80 on cars and 100 on trucks. I worked my way up to 100 on cars and 120 on trucks when people started calling. Only took 2-3 hours a car.
 
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