makita subcompact vs hilti?

[justinhw]

I've tried to search for info on this but couldn't find much..

I'm in the market for a lighter-weight cordless drill/driver/impact combo and am deciding between:

1. Makita subcompact 18v brushless

2. Hilti 12v subcompact (brushed?)

Price is about the same, there is a sale on the hilti's right now https://www.us.hilti.com/12-volt-sub-compact

Does anyone have experience with either or both? My debate is.. is the name and quality of hilti worth the lower voltage and brushed motor?

Thanks for your help

 

[Ainsley]

Makita 12V brushless is out of the equation?

 

[justinhw]

i guess i missed that one - haven't looked into it yet

 

[Ainsley]

That would be my suggestion.
I have the old makita 12V max with the stick batteries that I use constantly in the shop. I also have the 18V LXT system with a good number of tools. I think the downfall to the 18V subcompact is the battery size.

 

[HCNDM]

Comparing apples and pears imo.

Hilti is up there with festool in my books. But the 18v Makita will have more power.

Plus it's a cordless tool. They don't last forever. Not even the hilti.

Consider your needs carefully and expect to replace in plus minus five years. Both should last that long with normal use. Heavy use you'll get more out of the hilti.


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[marlinspike]

I would get the new Metabo BS 18 LT BL if in the market for a compact. It has way more power than either of the ones you mention but size wise is about the same as the Makita. I really would say the BS 18 LT BL Q, but they aren't bringing the quick chuck drills to the USA any more. Toolbarn has the BS 18 LT BL for $199 with compact batteries.

 

[DFB]

I find it an odd comparison both of cordless platforms 12 to 18v and brushed to brushless plus hammer to non hammer function with only price pretty much to be the common factor here.

Now I pulled some of numbers together for an easier comparison and if you believe everything written on paper

The Hilti 12v specs are more in line with the brushed Makita 12v CXT

SF 2H-A 212 in-lb
SID 2-A 973 in-lb

Makita
PH04Z 250 in.lbs.
DT03Z 970 in.lbs


Brushless Makita 12v
PH05Z 280 in.lbs.
DT04Z 1200 in.lbs.

Also within the Makita 12 v there are a few optional tools like circ saw, tile saw, recip saw. radio. multi tool and flashlight.


Now the Sub Compact is a pretty new release so cant say how much real world use there is out there with it yet but it specs...

Drill/Driver 350
Impact 1240 in.lb.

And obviously buying into the Makita 18v platform the batteries can be utilized with any of the LXT 18v tools currently available.

Just as an FYI the 12v Milwaukee Fuel combo specs

2404 hammer drill 350 in. lb.

2453 Impact 1200 in. lb.

 

[marlinspike]

And FWIW the Metabo BS 18 LT does 531 in-lbs (and it turns higher RPM than the Makita too, so it's not like they just used gearing to get a torque spec).

The current Metabo impact driver is only 3/16" longer than the Makita sub-compact impact but does 1328 in-lbs, and they have an impact wrench that is only 1/8" longer than the Makita sub-compact drill that turns 325lb-ft.

 

[Git]

I just saw this is the FineWoodworking 2017 Tool Guide. When I tried to look up the Makita - it looks like it is discontinued?

 

[DFB]

I just saw this is the FineWoodworking 2017 Tool Guide. When I tried to look up the Makita - it looks like it is discontinued?

MAKITA-XT252T Replaced with the XT252TB

Same tool part numbers with same performance specs

I believe the only difference is the battery was upgraded to include LED indicators

http://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools...tries-_-RecViewed_CatEntries-_-MAKITA-XT252TB


Free tool offer right now with that package too

 

[DFB]

Makita 12v brushed combo 1.5 ah batteries still only $99 @ Amazon


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01489O21G/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Review

https://toolguyd.com/makita-12v-cxt-drill-impact-driver-combo-kit-deal-062016/

 

[Rmracing]

I have the makita ct226 12v drill and driver set and been using it for about a year with no problems . It's nice and light and still fairly strong.

 

[TheGrooveking]

Owning all of the Dewalt 12 V Max lineup, all of the Bosch 12 V lineup, 50 pieces of Milwaukee M12 system and having bought the 12V Hilti combo last year in December (a little Christmas gift for myself) I''ll state this; the Hilti impact driver is my favorite but the Milwaukee, Bosch and Dewalt are more powerful.

The Hilti's ergonomics are the best I MO, the shape of the nose allows the best access and visibility of all the impact drivers I own including 14.4V and 18V units I have.

The Hilti 12 V hammer drill is excellent, and their screwdriver is my favorite, but the older M12 2401 offers better visibility when working in tight spaces. The DeWalt 12 V Max system has small grips which with having large hands mean I'm practicing my Emily Post with having my pinky hanging out when using them. I have the same issue with my Festool CXS.

My question is if you are looking towards choosing one system then I recommend going with Makita sub compact 18V, that way you will be on the excellent battery platform as the 18V Makita LXT system. I have a bunch of Makita 18V and 45 pieces Milwaukee M18 and will state I find the Milwaukee tools feel solid and wel built, but the Makita is slightly better built. And for reference the Bosch 18 V is very solid, and have found the Hilti 18V to be the highest quality fit and finish.

TheGrooveking