To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Marking lines on smooth wet surfaces- options?

danski0224

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 29, 2005
Messages
13,388
Location
Near Naperville, IL
I am looking for something to make lines on smooth painted metal, typically with a plastic peel film on one side. Sometimes, it has either drops of water or it is wet. And it has to work in all typical jobsite temperatures- especially cold. The line I am looking for is standard Sharpie width- about 1/16" or a bit smaller.

It has to be visible so the line can be followed with a grinder.

I have tried the regular markers that claim to work when wet, and they don't (nope, not even the Milwaukee ones). Certainly not through much more than a few very small drops of water. Forget about actual wet use.

I have tried several brands of lumber crayons (DeWalt, Irwin, Markal) and besides being wide, they do not work so well below 50 degrees or so. The Markal ones are especially hard and do not mark well for me, even on concrete.

Tried the Fastcap "Fat Boy", same results with the crayon.

Solus has a neat pencil called the KB 24 and it creates a blue ink when it gets damp. This is really awesome, but the blue ink would work much better on something porous like wood because it doesn't stick to metal.

Solus has a yellow lead pencil that is not readily available in the USA- not sure if it would be better than a typical lumber crayon. Ordering some from overseas would be expensive if they do not work for me.

I have tried the carpenter pencils available at the box stores, and the lead is too hard. They do not mark well on the plastic film, or the painted surface underneath.

Solus has two other pencils I can get locally, and I may try them next.

Any other options? Thanks.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

doctordirt

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2014
Messages
492
How about yellow paint pen. Often salvage yards use them to mark their parts. Marks on oil covered parts
 

JimNC

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 9, 2017
Messages
580
Location
NC
Grease pencil maybe, don’t really recall if they skid on water or push it out of the way, been a long time.
 
OP
D

danski0224

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 29, 2005
Messages
13,388
Location
Near Naperville, IL
The panels are corrugated, so scribe/knife won't work for me. Some of the marking is freehand parallel to the corrougation.

Yes, on flat work I use a scratch awl.

I haven't tried a China marker yet.
 

Air21

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 3, 2013
Messages
372
Dykem makes a whole assortment of marking pens, sterile ones that won't promote corrosion, threaded ones that go in automated marking gizmos, ones with different kinds of ink solvents...

I googled around for a minute and didn't see anything that specifically solved your problem but there were a lot of options.
 

Davefr

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 7, 2010
Messages
11,823
Location
OR
I'd recommend Stabilo yellow marking pencils. I haven't found anything they won't write on. The marking is not permanent and can be removed easily.

The only disadvantage is that the marked lines aren't real fine. (unlike Dykem layout fluid and a scribe)

https://www.dickblick.com/products/stabilo-all-colored-marking-pencils/

https://cdn.****-blick.com/items/204/08/20408-Group-2-2ww-m.jpg
 
Last edited:

BFBOB

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 20, 2011
Messages
5,073
China Marker?
Kinda crayon-like, line width 1/8". Pretty much mark on anything, but not permanent - on a nonporous surface, can be wiped off.
Cheap, worth a try.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Sloper0204

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 25, 2009
Messages
390
Location
UT/WY
OP
D

danski0224

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 29, 2005
Messages
13,388
Location
Near Naperville, IL
OP
D

danski0224

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 29, 2005
Messages
13,388
Location
Near Naperville, IL
I have used those silver welders pencils before, and I do not think they are a good option in this case. The lead seems to be just as hard as a typical construction pencil. In my experience, they work really good on stuff like hot rolled plain old steel but not so well on stuff like galvanized steel sheet.

I tried the "universal" Solus pencil, and that is an improvement over a regular pencil. Iffy in water though. It works good on dry plastic film.

I have a few of the Stabilo pencils on order in different colors.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom