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I was never a craftsman fan, ever. I hated their hand tools, almost as much as I hated their power tools. However, at my new job all the had for cordless tools were the C3 19volt craftsman tools, I was blown away by the beating they took. I personally have dropped the 1/2" drill of an 8 foot ladder 4 times (who knows how many times the other 3 guys have done it). The drill is 4 years old and still works great, we did a light install of over 2000 lights, used that drill for everyone. Including drilling a 7/8" knock out in every light, and all the bit changes. The thing is still kicking. Needless to say at the price point I was sold.

Now I have, 2 drills, a 1/4" impact, 1/2" impact, sawzall, light, vacuum, and they all work great. The 1/2" impact and sawzall have really been hammered on they still hold their own. I have less than 300 dollars in all those tools including 5 batteries, and 2 one hour charger. For the price point I don't think you can top it.
 
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for me, Ryobi 18v. Blasphemy, but I have my reasons. I use my stuff HARD. I'm a heavy home user and do alot of side jobs. I bought a kit in 2005 and aside from having to replace the nicad batteries every 4 years, I haven't had one problem with any of the tools.

I have noticed that the quality of the 'blue' tools has gone down now that they have the 'green' line
 

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I was in the same situation last year. Makita Li-Ion. Plus they have a ton of bare tools you can buy. I took advantage of the deal last summer where I was able to get the 6 1/2" circular saw for free with the deal. I think I got the LX407 package, Drill, Impact Driver, Recip Saw and Flashlight. Have performed very well with any thing I've thown at it.
 

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1) A decent cordless mini driver. Maybe the Milwaukee or Bosch. On sale. Cheap as possible.
2) Everything else has a cord.
 

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I like Milwaukee the best when it comes to power tools. I also like Bosch, Hitachi, and Makita. The newer 18V models are more powerfull, smaller and lighter than 14.4V from a few years ago.

Most of the mentioned brands have a lot of different tools to choose from. I preferer corded tools over cordless for the most part, but I use my cordless drill quite a bit.
 

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I've had the 18V Makita line for a couple of years with no complaints. Started with the LXT702 kit and added a 1/2" impact wrench. If I remember right, they have a promo now for a free bare tool or batteries with certain kits.

Milwaukee also offers a wide variety with the 18V lineup. Wouldn't have a problem buying into it I was starting over.

Dewalt's line of 20V tools is growing but nearly as extensive as Milwaukee or Makita's

Bosch makes quality tools but not a lot of options for a wide variety of tools.
 

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I'm in a similar situation Bull. I currently own a Craftsman 19v drill bought back in 2005 and it is still on the original NiCAD batteries (amazing huh!). They are starting to not hold their charge and am looking to get into the Li Ion field. I was pretty much sold on Bosch 18v line when Amazon had the $50 off over $200 for Fathers Day plus the free battery deal from Bosch, but decided to hold off until the brushless stuff hits the market and then pick up some discounted brushed stuff.

The Bosch line has fewer tools than Milwaukee, but I'm not sure how much of the other stuff I'd really use, as I already have most of it corded. I do like that Milwaukee has a single charger that works with both the 12v and 18v lineup, whereas others you'd need two separate chargers to take up space.

The Rigid battery warranty is tough to beat. I question what happens in the 10-15 years or so when the latest and greatest battery tech comes out and the Li Ion gets phased out? Could you still get replacement batteries for your older tools?
 

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My cordless tools are all SO. I am big on having one battery style for everything. At home I have some 28 volt milwaukee, but have has issuse with getting a two month old battery replaced and the customer service has been so bad, I will never own a milwaukee tool again. This coming from a 3rd generation milwaukee tool users. When the time comes to replace, I hope Makita still has good offerings as that would be the non truck brand I go with. That said, my current tools are around 2-3 years old and hope to get many more.
 

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Bull, I guess it just depends on which cordless tools you use the most. The only cordless tool I use all the time is my Bosch 12v impact driver. If I were going to start from scratch I would be tempted to go with the Milwaukee 12v stuff because of the large variety of tools they make for it. With this said, I probably don't really need all of the extra tools, but it would be nice. I use my 12v for everything from tightening door hinges to replacing drywall. It is my go-to for all the little odds and ends that pop up. For large jobs I have corded tools as backups (but hardly need them).

I also have a Bosch 18v ni-cad drill/hammer drill but I hardly use it. If I did larger jobs more frequently I would probably go with the Bosch lithium ion 18 volt stuff.
 

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I'm in a similar situation Bull. I currently own a Craftsman 19v drill bought back in 2005 and it is still on the original NiCAD batteries (amazing huh!). They are starting to not hold their charge and am looking to get into the Li Ion field. I was pretty much sold on Bosch 18v line when Amazon had the $50 off over $200 for Fathers Day plus the free battery deal from Bosch, but decided to hold off until the brushless stuff hits the market and then pick up some discounted brushed stuff.

The Bosch line has fewer tools than Milwaukee, but I'm not sure how much of the other stuff I'd really use, as I already have most of it corded. I do like that Milwaukee has a single charger that works with both the 12v and 18v lineup, whereas others you'd need two separate chargers to take up space.

The Rigid battery warranty is tough to beat. I question what happens in the 10-15 years or so when the latest and greatest battery tech comes out and the Li Ion gets phased out? Could you still get replacement batteries for your older tools?

I just upgraded out of a Craftsman C3 set with the LI-ION batteries. I was never really unhappy with the C3 set as it seemed to have a good cost vs value on my lesser used tools. What finally broke me was when I burnt out my third drill in less than 5 years.

I see a lot of recommendations for the Rigid line. While they make a good line of tools Bull mentioned that number of accessories was something that would sway his decission. When I was shopping around Rigid was fairly limited in what they made (although what they made was quality).

For my purposes my most used tools were a drill, impactor and sawzall my second was a 1/2" impact wrench and circular saw. I also wanted a right angle drill, jigsaw and flash light. Most items were available across all brands, but only Milwaukee, Dewalt and Craftsman had all of the items, with Bosch and Makita a close second.

I finally settled on Milwaukee because I liked the feel better, and because if I need to I could get batteries and individually tools locally.

Finally I have both the Milwaukee M18 set and the Bosch 10.8LI-ON (old 12V set). If I am driving less than 20 screws (or drilling holes) or so I generally reach for the 10.8V set, but I wouldn't build a deck (or garage) with them. If I had not already purchased the Bosch set first, I would be tempted by Milwaukee's M12 line-up just to get the larger tool selection, and the shared charger mentioned by Buening.
 
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You can't go too far wrong with any of the big brands. I would steer toward Li-Ion, as I don't think the NiCad stuff will be around much longer. You also need to decide if you want to go with the big full size line or something smaller.

Several of you guys mentioned Ridgid's famous "Lifetime" warranty. Well, around here (metro New Orleans area) there is no place that will do warranty repairs on Ridgid tools. No free replacement batteries, chargers, nothing. There is a small place about 45 minutes away that was doing it for a while, then they stopped, then they started again. i don't know if they are honoring the Ridgid warranty as I type this, but even so it is still 45 minutes out of town.
We used to do it where I work, but we got out of it for the same reasons that the other local places got out of it.
Basically, if you buy a Ridgid tool at HD around here, you have no warranty.

Since you already have the Ridgid screw gun, you could go that route, but first make sure that there is at least one service center nearby, preferably more than one. Then, call and talk to that business and make sure that they still honor the Ridgid warranty.

Home Depot LOVES to sell stuff, but HATES to take care of the customer after the sale.
 

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I bought a dewalt 20vmax with 3.0ah batteries. Impact driver and drill. I bought the impact driver because of versatility. I could use my 3/8 sockets one min and then switch over to using regular bits in no time. I think the driver and the wrench have the same in. Lbs rating so its just a matter of a different drive end. I have got to say i bought it thinking it wouldnt be that powerful but it would be nice to have. I was wrong, i can count on one hand the amount of times i have had to reach for my air tools since i bought it. And the battery life is just ridiculous. Unless im using it VERY heavily the charge lasts at least 3-4 days. And then to charge it only takes 15 min or so. Havent regretted the purchase since i got it. Only thing i wish they would do is have protective cases like Snap-On

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DEwalt 18v. Because there is so much of it out there its cheap and easy to add other tools. The batteries **** but they can be had on feebay for reasonable prices.
 

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I have the makita lxt line. It has about 50 tools that use the same battery I personally have 7 and it keeps growing.
 

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Bosch 18V Li-ion, though Hitachi and Makita are also good makes IMHO (not the casual use models).

Not tried DeWalt's newer stuff, so I can't comment (previous 18V NiCd experience was good though). Not a big Milwaukee fan anymore (one warranty replacement too many for me & chargers die right after the warranty went).
 

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If I didn't already have some 12v max Makita, I'd be looking at DeWalt's newer 12v max / 20v max stuff... apparently both of those systems use the same charger?

That said, future branch-outs may go that way anyway if I find myself with a need for something bigger than the 12v Makita stuff.
 

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I bought a dewalt 20vmax with 3.0ah batteries....
I have the DeWalt 20V system too and am very happy with it. I started with a drill / driver kit and have since picked up a right angle drill, circular saw, recipricating saw and a flashlight. They have all been great.
 
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bull, over the years i've somehow accumulated several 100ft cords from garage sales, auctions, etc. -- i think i can reach AC to any corner of my 7acre property.. but i've never had to do it.

i own 1 Dewalt drill with 3 batteries, 2 chargers, a 2-cycle chainsaw and a lot of outdoor projects.
if i don't break-out the extension cord or two, i transport work between the shop and the project.

i think i'm going cheap about it, but my muphy's law is, as soon as i invest in a make/model/cordless-series the manufacturer will redo the whole cordless scene and batteries for my model will be hard to find.. that's happened to me about 10 years ago.

i've not read this whole thread, so there may be good recommendations to avoid my experience for a long and happy commitment.
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makita 18v li-ion for me. Heavy construction use. Brushless impact is great. Had to replace the chuck on my cordless hammer drill/driver, I bought that 5 piece kit when the things first came out. Still have them and they still work had to get new batteries though after about 4 years.
 

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I really like my ryobi stuff. I use it more than the "average" home user but I don't use it heavily (although I have used the stuff pretty heavy the past 2 weeks since I closed on the house).

I have a bunch of the tools, if the drill or the impact driver **** the bed I will get a different drill/driver combo and keep the lesser used ryobi tools in service. I just can't see paying $80 for a bare tool such as a recip saw or circular saw that I don't use all that often. Its $50 or less for all the other tools for the ryobi set and they work fine for the amount I use them.
 
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So, I did some reading and am finding that people have good things to say about a lot of the 18v lithium Ridgid tools. One reason this would be a good brand for me is that I already own one Ridgid 18v lithium tool with battery and charger.

I searched for info on whether the newest lithium batteries and tools from them, which are some "X4" series, are compatible with older batteries and chargers. Guys on the Ridgid forum indicated that they were. But, there is a note for the kit I am looking at that reads "This item is sold with (2) AC840085 Batteries and (1) AC840093 Charger, this drill is compatible with the following batteries and chargers, not included: AC840083, AC840084, and AC46182 Batteries and AC470013 Charger."

My current battery is an R840084, which is not listed.

Can anyone speak from experience about this?
 

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i have the 18v nicad porter cable set that i replaced my 14.4v dewalt drill with. although i like the porter cable the dewalt drill was better quality but what the batteis cost for dewalt i got a new set of porter cable
 

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This question is like asking what brand of truck one likes the best. (Ford of course. LOL)

I had the Dewalt 18 volt XRP tools for years. I had a lot of different tools and changed them out for newer models frequently. They were GREAT tools but Dewalt is changing them over to the 20V line.

I just recently sold ALL my Dewalt and bought the Milwaukee M18 and M12 tool line.

I bought the Milwaukee because I really feel they are better tools. I love the Red Lithium batteries with the built in battery gauge.

The new brushless "FUEL" series are awesome. Unbelievable torque and run time.

Below is a photo of a few of my Milwaukee tools except Circular saw, Sawzall, 1/2" impact and a few others.

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I also love the small size of the M12 line and you will not believe the power these tools have.

They are coming out with brushless tools in that line soon.

I don't think you would e disappointed in the Milwaukee tools at all.

PS: the tools have a 5 year warranty.
 
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One thing i forgot to mrntion. Dewalts new line is BRAND new. I think they only have likw 5 tools that you can get. You could see this as bad or good . By the tike they come out with new tools you will have been able to save up for the bare tool purchase instead of buying everything at once. Or that could also be a bad thing.
 

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If you just want a drill and an impact I think any of the major brands will be excellent, Just try to get a good deal when you see it.

If you think you may want some more specialized tools like a cordless planer or a cordless nailer or a PEX tool in the future you should check to see who makes it. I use milwaukee M18 and M12 because they have some specialized tools available for my trade.
 

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I spy the new brushless impact driver on the left, Ive wanted one of those since I saw the coming soon on milwaukees website:drool:
 

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DeWalt. I have most of what they make in 18 volt. Grab a tool, grab the nearest battery, go to work with it. No hassles, just results. 5 battery drills, circular saw, saws all, jigsaw, grinder, 2 types of lights, nailer, impact driver, etc. I have never regretted a dime I spent on these tools, and I am a heavy weekend user, and also use DeWalt 18 volt at work.

I agree with this. I'm still building my 18v set, and I'm not worried that they are not the newest kid on the block. I love 'em! Plus, the world is full of them. Easy to find used addtions, parts, etc.
 

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I have the Craftsman 19.2 volt stuff, several drillss, recip saw, impact driver, 1/2" impact wrench, weedeater, blower. Have had good luck with the stuff, most of it has lasted for years.
 

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I spy the new brushless impact driver on the left, Ive wanted one of those since I saw the coming soon on milwaukees website:drool:

Yes, that is the new "FUEL" Brushless model. It is pretty sweet.

I bought it and both the drills.

I just got all this in the last couple months. I sold all my Dewalt stuff.

I went from the "YELLOW"side to the "RED" side.

I just wish I had waited a bit longer as Milwaukee just announced new batteries and some brushless M12 stuff. They just announced they will have it out by the end of the year.

Isn't that ALWAYS the way it goes?
 

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I agree with this. I'm still building my 18v set, and I'm not worried that they are not the newest kid on the block. I love 'em! Plus, the world is full of them. Easy to find used addtions, parts, etc.

I totally agree that there are a LOT MORE of the Dewalt 18 volt stuff out there than any thing else.

I see it 5 to one of the other brands.

I never had any regrets on the 18 volt Dewalt stuff I had.

I just caught the "RED" bug
 

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The way I look at it, I would look at what tool families have that you want, that others specifically don't have. If you're looking for the biggest family, DeWalt 18v is it. In every category, those Dewalt 18v tools are among the top but are not the top tool in any anymore. DeWalt 20v is attractive, but while the family isn't as big, DeWalt's version of the story is they designed every part of every one of those tools which is not commonly done if you believe them.

Milwaukee M18 Fuel is great. If I had to do it again, they would be on my short list. Bosch 18v used to have great tools that were really sturdy but not a lot of variety. Now, they still may not have the most variety but they make up for it with physically the toughest of all the 18v tools. You'd be more likely to break a tool from another brand than any of my Bosch.

Bosch has also taken care of me quite well with warranties, real American people on the phone (and very short hold if there is one), plenty of sales and rebates for cheap/free batteries, which is important primarily if you take advantage of their frequent sales on bare tools. Among my 9 tools I have 11 batteries, 4 big 7 slim and at least 4 chargers. You want a complaint? not every tool has a hard case. Their bags are nice but I don't think they're any more sturdy than any other tool bag.

I will include Ryobi & Porter Cable in my comparisons below simply because they make sense in some situations. My recommendation to you would be choose between M18, Bosch, & DeWalt, choosing which of the two DeWalt families to consider. The other reason I prefer the M18 & Bosch is the 'flat' style of batteries compared to the DeWalt 18v's stem. They went with a flat style also for their 20v Max.

I would not consider Cman, Ridgid, and I should include PC & Ryobi in this part as well. You can buy all 3 of the major brands mentioned in at least 2 real stores in whatever town/city you're nearest. If Sears isn't convenient and HD is, Cman would be useless in the middle of a job, and so on. This is more of an argument for the DeWalt 18v tools than anything else though, any pawn shop, ebay, and all major retailers have plenty of DeWalt 18v tools.

They all have tools that can be put into categories of drills/drivers/impacts, saws, and misc. Whichever set you get into, do yourself a favor and get the biggest, most inclusive set you can afford for your initial purchase.


  • There are plenty of reviews of drills & drivers, increasing reviews of impact drivers as well as impact wrenches for those who choose to make the disctinction, though I personally only care for the impact drivers and try to do the big heavy impact fasteners with air.
  • For saws, everyone has a circ saw. You might care if it's lefty or righty, otherwise almost all the 'big' kits (3-4 or more tools) include one and I'm sure you'll find a use for it here or there but it's not going to make or break your decision. All 4 have reciprocating tools but look at what's available from each. PC has a saw on the horizon that could be very useful to some but many others may not have a need for it. Cordless bandsaw may be useless to you but all 3 big ones have it, PC & Ryobi don't. They all have cordless jigsaws.

To me, the 'misc' is where the decision is made. What else can you do with the batteries?
  • Ryobi. DeWalt, Milwaukee & PC all have 18v vacuums for example. There are 3 different kinds with the PC & Ryobi being very similar, and 3 different price points.
  • All 4 of those also have Radios, though DeWalts does not support their 20v. Among the 4 I think Bosch first, Milwaukee second are the two I would want.
  • They all have angle grinders, but only Bosch has the die grinder. Only DeWalt has the drywall cutout (Dremel type) tool.
  • Ryobi, DeWalt & Milwaukee all have caulk guns.
 
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I have Bosch 18v and Milwaukee 12v tools.

I went Bosch for their 1/2" drive impact (wildly powerful & assembled in USA) and their Swiss made drills (also very nice).

I only have Milwaukee 12V (M12) because I needed a good cordless greasegun and theirs fit the bill nicely, I also have a 3/8" impact and it's holding up pretty well with the exception of the direction switch sometimes not working ...probably my fault as I left it out in the rain a few times.

I'm satisfied with both brands but had I not needed the greasegun I'd probably be 100% Bosch 18v.
 
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