Masks empty shelves?

[mobiledynamics]

In response to the recent TP thread. What have you have stocked up should you happen to get the CV19 and will need to quarantine yourself ? I do have the pantry stocked up and freezer filled for the just in case. We generally are fairly clean and have cleaning products on hand so no need for that on. Did buy a couple bottles of bleach and alcohol should I need to be clean more thoroughly during quarantine.

Based on this GJ thread, seems like at least the GJ bretheren is approaching it as it what it is. Statistic of flu, etc. It's not the mortality rate for me, but the preparedness should one of us if not multiples of -us- in the household end up needing to be@home for a prolonged period of time.

 

[AA/FC]

There seems to be two sides posting in this thread about the current situation ... Those who call it "panic buying" and those who call it "being prepared".

What's the difference?

"Panic buying" is what people put the blame on when they realize they waited to long to start gathering supplies because the "being prepared" group already beat them to the stores.

"Being prepared" is the term people use who like having extra supplies on hand in case this deal turns ugly and they can't leave home for an extended period of time, whether it be a forced lock down, or a voluntary quarantine, etc.

I've been on both sides several times in my life and I've learned many lessons along the way, I will take "being prepared" any day over the alternative.

And for the record, I'm not talking about storing 2 years worth of water, toilet paper and Mountain House freeze dried foods for a family of four... I'm talking about having a month or so worth of supplies just in case. Stuff that you use on a normal basis anyway so it won't go to waste. Worse case scenario is you just won't have to shop for a while once this deal blows through...

 

[3 Gun Shooter]

There seems to be two sides posting in this thread about the current situation ... Those who call it "panic buying" and those who call it "being prepared".

What's the difference?

"Panic buying" is what people put the blame on when they realize they waited to long to start gathering supplies because the "being prepared" group already beat them to the stores.

"Being prepared" is the term people use who like having extra supplies on hand in case this deal turns ugly and they can't leave home for an extended period of time, whether it be a forced lock down, or a voluntary quarantine, etc.

I've been on both sides several times in my life and I've learned many lessons along the way, I will take "being prepared" any day over the alternative.

And for the record, I'm not talking about storing 2 years worth of water, toilet paper and Mountain House freeze dried foods for a family of four... I'm talking about having a month or so worth of supplies just in case. Stuff that you use on a normal basis anyway so it won't go to waste. Worse case scenario is you just won't have to shop for a while once this deal blows through...

To me panic buying is when you see a shopping cart FULL of wipes, bleach, etc.

Being prepared is picking up one extra item when you don't need it.

 

[JRC3]

In reality I just don't see the possibility of most of the US needing to be quarantined or sequestered, we aren't densely populated like most of the cities China. Sure maybe the big cities like NY, but not the rest of us. Just one more reason not to live in a place like NY, NY.

 

[mobiledynamics]

Anyone here in the med field. I've had a brief convo with one that happens to work in the ER and she did say the standard for healthcare will be lower when the SHTF and there is percentage of their own that will need to be in quarantine themselves due to exposure. I don't want to post much over at GJ since it seems like sooooo many GJ bretheren seem anti X, but to sum it up, the ones that are working in the trenches are saying this is being downplayed. I don't take her as a prepper, but she even said she has a remote 3 acre property she will take the kids to if the SHTF

 

[Marctrees]

Note to Self - Stock up on those big buckets of Utz Cheese Balls at Walmart.

Marc

 

[AA/FC]

Note to Self - Stock up on those big buckets of Utz Cheese Balls at Walmart.

Marc

Too late, they're already gone. Lol.

 

[hsvtoolfool]

Not a joke... welcome to needless panic...

Preppers are survivors. They also don't care what skeptics think.

No, I have not bought any masks since it obviously won't do any good. I've been following the Corona virus story since January, and trust me, this is very serious.

Instead of masks, I have stocked up on my normal "flu week kit" which is canned soups, rice, aspirin, sugar-free Power-aid, zinc lozenges, plus Vitamins C, D, and E.

I'm also praying that the anti-viral drugs which may be effective on COVID-19 (and were originally created to fight Ebola) will become widely available soon as possible.

We must now accept that COVID-19 can't be "contained" like SARS-1 and Ebola was in the past. However, we can still try to delay the spread rate so that our hospitals aren't swamped all at once. A vaccine should enter human trials next month and may be ready for wide distribution within a year.

If you run the numbers...

Numbers are meaningless without perspective.

The typical influenza virus that comes around each Winter has a killl-rate around 0.05% to 0.1%. In contrast, the 1918 Spanish Flu had a kill-rate around 2% to 3%.

It's still too soon to tell, but COVID-19 appears to have a similar 2% to 3% kill rate. Given this strain's extremely contagious nature, we must assume everyone on the planet will be infected. Therefore, we must assume a worst-case in America of around 9 million deaths. The world death toll may be over 200 million people.

But that 2% to 3% number is for the "general" population. The death rates appear to be much more somber if you are male age 40+. Or if you have a health condition such as obesity, diabetes, or asthma. So how many Garage Journal members are 20-somethings in perfect health?

I guess 2% to 3% dead doesn't sound too bad... unless 3 of your closest friends die within the next year. Or your small company folds because the boss and one of his sons are dead.

if everyone who gets the normal flu... gets this new one... 90% will survive just fine...

A 10% death rate would be among the worst plagues in human history...

* Spanish Flu: 2-3% death rate
* Legionnaires: 15% death rate
* Yellow fever: 20-50% death rate
* Bubonic plague: 60% death rate
* Ebola: 90% death rate
* Rabies: 100% death rate

 

[engineer2]

Interesting that the local Costco is out of ***-wipe and paper towels.
People are asking $20 per respirator on CL.

 

[rlitman]

...
* Yellow fever: 20-50% death rate
* Bubonic plague: 60% death rate
* Ebola: 90% death rate
* Rabies: 100% death rate...

Yellow fever has a mortality rate of around 5%. 20-50% represents patients who develop jaundice.
Bubonic plague is quoted at 1-15% mortality rate. 60% literally represents dark ages medicine.
Ebola has UP TO a 90% mortality rate, but that's again with a downright awful level of care. Modern outbreaks show closer to a 50% mortality rate in Africa and as low as 22% in the first world.
Rabies has had ONE (to the best of my knowledge) successfully treated case in history, but it is easily treated to a near 0% mortality rate if caught before symptomatic.

 

[JRC3]

Note to Self - Stock up on those big buckets of Utz Cheese Balls at Walmart.

That stuff will be legal tender.

Water = 1 Bucket of cheese balls
Shotgun = 2 Buckets of cheese balls
Kidney = 3 Buckets of cheese balls.

 

[rlitman]

Note to Self - Stock up on those big buckets of Utz Cheese Balls at Walmart.

Marc

Ugh, not a fan of those.

Anyway, my cat seems to leave me one on the floor every so often, so I don't need to stock up, since she seems to make them out of thin air.

That stuff will be legal tender.

Water = 1 Bucket of cheese balls
Shotgun = 2 Buckets of cheese balls
Kidney = 3 Buckets of cheese balls.

Hummm, I guess my cat will finally no longer be worthless?

 

[Downwindtracker 2]

Masks work if the people having the flu wear them. Others just look silly.

WHO announced yesterday a higher death rate, near 4% for seniors. Let's put this in perspective, SARS was 50% .

 

[Downwindtracker 2]

Because of the Great War and it's censorship and the poor record keeping of that period, more modern estimates put the Spanish flue death toll world wide at between 50 and 100 million. A simple check of graveyard headstones did a revision.

The only reason it was called the Spanish flu was because Spanish papers didn't have censorship. They now think it was a bird flu from Kansas.

 

[slowtwitch73]

Buying 'one or two' extra wont do you any good, and when you multiply that over millions of buyers, it pickles the supplies for those on the front line.

Many prepers are clowns who don't care what experts think.

If you read the news about a 'catastrophe', and then go out and buy supplies, you weren't preped.

Being informed is the first step in being prepared.

 

[rlitman]

...If you read the news about a 'catastrophe', and then go out and buy supplies, you weren't preped.

Being informed is the first step in being prepared.

+1 So true!

 

[phildrennen]

Get a buddy.

 

[visionguru]

Masks work if the people having the flu wear them. Others just look silly.

WHO announced yesterday a higher death rate, near 4% for seniors. Let's put this in perspective, SARS was 50% .

In the US, the death rate so far is 11/158=7%! Definitely not a "low risk" disease. Mask may look silly, I don't fault people for taking extra precaution.

 

[tym]

In the US, the death rate so far is 11/158=7%! Definitely not a "low risk" disease. Mask may look silly, I don't fault people for taking extra precaution.

Tyranny of the small N.

 

[JRC3]

I can't find dust masks but I filled up today for $1.93/gallon. My guess is the two are related.

 

[visionguru]

Tyranny of the small N.

Yeah, but the percentage with small N still says something, considering those in the US are getting full strength medical attention. Imagine if the hospitals are full.

China's figure shows 3015/80565= 3.7%. This virus is no joke, definitely not comparable with flu.

 

[Rabid Badger]

Masks work if the people having the flu wear them. Others just look silly.

WHO announced yesterday a higher death rate, near 4% for seniors. Let's put this in perspective, SARS was 50% .

Your "perspective" is flawed. SARS is less communicable and easier to spot than coronavirus.

Ignorant people pretending nothing is wrong are the single biggest problem in a situation like this.

 

[phildrennen]

You can't take the number of deaths divided by the known cases as the fatality rate. It doesn't work that way.
It is estimated that that there are a lot of people who have the virus, but show no symptoms.

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[Downwindtracker 2]

You have to look at the experience of Toronto with SARS in 2003. The lessons learned then are being put into the protocols now.

 

[Marctrees]

W Looziana rural Walmart today - Full stock bleach, Lysol, etc.

Did not notice anything sold out other than Cheese Ball Buckets and .22 ammo.





Marc

 

[phildrennen]

W Looziana rural Walmart today - Full stock bleach, Lysol, etc.

Did not notice anything sold out other than Cheese Ball Buckets and .22 ammo.





Marc

Bait and ammo for under trailer critters! LOL

 

[Marctrees]

"Tappers"

Marc

 

[JRC3]

Look at this ****.

This is on the Menards frontpage.

Talk about price gouging, even with the so called rebate.

This just fucks the rest of us who need them for work.

 

[jkmcp45]

Thing is they don’t protect against the virus my wife is a virologist or something like that she’s a doctor and the cr19 virus can penetrate any available dust mask it crazy how people think a dust mask will help


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[ssdave]

Thing is they don’t protect against the virus my wife is a virologist or something like that she’s a doctor and the cr19 virus can penetrate any available dust mask it crazy how people think a dust mask will help


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Here's the appropriate questions to ask about the effectiveness of mask use:
1) What is the proportion of hand to mouth vs aerosol spread of this particular virus?
2) Do masks help remind you to not touch your mouth and nose?
3) If you wear a mask and wash your hands before and after removing it once reaching a clean environment, what is the percent reduction in exposure you achieve?

 

[M6erfan]

Here's the appropriate questions to ask about the effectiveness of mask use:
1) What is the proportion of hand to mouth vs aerosol spread of this particular virus?
2) Do masks help remind you to not touch your mouth and nose?
3) If you wear a mask and wash your hands before and after removing it once reaching a clean environment, what is the percent reduction in exposure you achieve?

4) Do you know how to effectively fit the mask?
5) Do you know how to properly handle the mask during removal and exposure?

 

[AA/FC]

Thing is they don’t protect against the virus my wife is a virologist or something like that she’s a doctor and the cr19 virus can penetrate any available dust mask it crazy how people think a dust mask will help

Yeah, they do.... you know how you can tell? Because the entire medical industry wears then around infected people. Not to mention, citizens in every other country in the world affected by the coronavirus wear them, too. Some protection is better than no protection. To say they simply don't work is completely false.

Last week Alex Azar (HHS Secretary) announced live on the Laura Ingraham show that earlier that night he deregulated the use of standard N95 masks "used by construction trades and miners" to be used by the medical industry. He said the deregulation greatly increased the available mask inventory for medical professionals. And he was damn proud of it. (I watched it live) However, by the next morning all copies of that video had been removed from youtube. Hhhmm...

4) Do you know how to effectively fit the mask?
5) Do you know how to properly handle the mask during removal and exposure?

Yes, and yes. It's not rocket science. 3M has a short video on youtube how to properly fit and remove N95 masks. You don't need a degree in maskology to use them.

See for yourself:

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[AA/FC]

Look at this ****.

This is on the Menards frontpage.

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I was in my local Menards early yesterday morning (Sunday).... I walked down the mask isle and the shelves were completely empty. I thought it was funny that Menards would have that on their front page knowing most (if not all) stores had no available inventory.

 

[TonyCH]

China is buying the masks back. In feb my company received an inquiry for 1M medical masks and some other related stuff, I do business with Chinese companies but I don't deal with that kind of products. My friends company however, does import masks and he did sell some of his stock back. The Chinese paid what was quoted and the masks were express shipped over.

 

[M6erfan]

Yes, and yes. It's not rocket science. 3M has a short video on youtube how to properly fit and remove N95 masks. You don't need a degree in maskology to use them.

See for yourself:

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Many, most people not in the medical field, know nothing about properly fitting a mask. I have several family members that work in healthcare and they get "fitted" on a regular basis and refreshers on how to properly fit a mask. Also, facial hair plays a part, amongst other things.

One doesn't need a degree in engineering to change an oil filter or spark plugs but look how many botch those jobs.

 

[rlitman]

Many, most people not in the medical field, know nothing about properly fitting a mask. I have several family members that work in healthcare and they get "fitted" on a regular basis and refreshers on how to properly fit a mask. Also, facial hair plays a part, amongst other things.

One doesn't need a degree in engineering to change an oil filter or spark plugs but look how many botch those jobs.

Here we go again:

 

[M6erfan]

^^^Right. And the 3M video AA linked above doesn't even touch on this.

 

[aka Larry]

It's funny when I see people upset about price gouging. It's actually a good thing.

Here's an example:
A hurricane is coming to town and everyone late to the party wants a generator. the store has 10 units and they WILL SELL OUT!

Option 1: 10 different people buy them, sit on them thru the store then either use or return.
Option 2: 1 guy buys all 10, marks them up 200% and re sells them.

A person who needs power for their medical devices looses power will die if they don't get power.

Option 1: the person dies.
Option 2: the person lives.

While I understand why you would be upset, gougers make sure people who truly need something really have access to it.

Wow. Yep, I'm sure all the price gougers out there are doing it for "the good of humanity".

IMO, inflating the price for something that people NEED, especially in an emergency, is GOUGING. Inflating the price for something people WANT, is free enterprise in action. One could argue one's "need" for a mask in the current situation, but hopefully you get my point.

Fortunately my state and many others have laws against this. The state AG here in NC, will, and has in the past, prosecute people for these actions.

 

[AA/FC]

Many, most people not in the medical field, know nothing about properly fitting a mask. I have several family members that work in healthcare and they get "fitted" on a regular basis and refreshers on how to properly fit a mask. Also, facial hair plays a part, amongst other things.

One doesn't need a degree in engineering to change an oil filter or spark plugs but look how many botch those jobs.

Nobody gets "fitted" for a disposable product. These are basically one-size-fits-all. Nobody gets custom-fitted masks specifically tailor made made to fit their face. Sure, they may go through training seminars on a regular basis, but that is NOT the same as "being fitted".

And again, some protection is better than no protection.

If someone told you that you were being forced to enter a room full of infected people, but you had your choice of either wearing or not wearing an n95 respirator, I guarantee you would take the respirator.

 

[M6erfan]

Nobody gets "fitted" for a disposable product. These are basically one-size-fits-all. Nobody gets custom-fitted masks specifically tailor made made to fit their face. Sure, they may go through training seminars on a regular basis, but that is NOT the same as "being fitted".

And again, some protection is better than no protection.

If someone told you that you were being forced to enter a room full of infected people, but you had your choice of either wearing or not wearing an n95 respirator, I guarantee you would take the respirator.

Lol, OK. Whatever you wanna think. And I never mentioned the word "custom".

And if someone asked me right before I jumped into a freezing lake if I wanted to go naked or wear a t-shirt, I'd take the shirt. For all the good it would do me...