Matco/Craftsman Ratchet

AdamsAutoAdvice · Mar 4, 2011

I thought the members of GJ might be interested to see this.

Matco/Craftsman Ratchet

-Adam

BBQ&Love · Mar 4, 2011

Interesting. BTW, there is a typo in your first sentence. "worked" should be "work".

Buckgnarly · Mar 4, 2011

Kinda like "Blue Point" and relabeled products.....no company is immune..... :thumbup:

bchee · Mar 4, 2011

Technically the $20 craftsman has a bigger head and only 36 teeth ( I think).

I think the Matco has 60 and a lower profile head.

Daddy_Rabbit · Mar 4, 2011

wouldnt be that difficult to drive the pin out of the handle and change out the heads ... i think it smells very fishy considering a competitor has it and is using it to his benefit.

bchee · Mar 5, 2011

Daddy_Rabbit said:
i think it smells very fishy considering a competitor has it and is using it to his benefit.

that's true too

SMKS · Mar 5, 2011

bchee said:
Technically the $20 craftsman has a bigger head and only 36 teeth ( I think).

I think the Matco has 60 and a lower profile head.

+1 - That's the first thing I thought. This ratchet appears to have the 60-tooth head.

tonydanzah · Mar 5, 2011

its definitly a 60 tooth head, that i would bet the dealer swapped

otis66 · Mar 5, 2011

bchee said:
Technically the $20 craftsman has a bigger head and only 36 teeth ( I think).

I think the Matco has 60 and a lower profile head.

My matco stubby ratchet is 36 tooth. Just like my craftsman stubby ratchet.

otis66 · Mar 5, 2011

Is there a USA stamped on that ratchet?

otis66 · Mar 5, 2011

I just checked the Matco web site and the new stubby ratchets are 88 tooth.

Skin · Mar 5, 2011

oh my god its stamped CRAFTSMAN ON THE HANDLE!

/me throws hundreds at SO man

take it take it just save me from this horror!

diesel research · Mar 5, 2011

This was a ratchet that one of my customers sent back to Matco for warranty replacement. They sent him back this one! It was a manufacturing mistake, but it shows where the ratchets are made.

Not really lol. Especially since neither has a ratchet manufacturing facility. So his little "clue" really offers no real clue of origin.

Should be no surprise that these guys are producing them.
http://www.apex-tools.com/brands/index.cfm

Captain Americana · Mar 5, 2011

Both brands are made by Danaher Tool Corp.

diesel research · Mar 5, 2011

I'd venture to say armstrong specifically lol. Could be wrong but danaher seems to be not much more than a corporate umbrella/holding.

Fedwrench · Mar 5, 2011

Could be a marketing prop to brand bash, could be someone asleep at the assembly plant, who knows or cares other than the Snap on man?
I do feel that comparing brands across the Danaher/Apex line isn't a very good marketing strategy though. You might accidently point out to the tech that only flagged a few hours for the week, that a Danaher $20 stubby flexhead ratchet might do the job for you instead of paying $75 for the Snap on version. :lol:

Old Donn · Mar 5, 2011

Skin said:
oh my god its stamped CRAFTSMAN ON THE HANDLE!

/me throws hundreds at SO man

take it take it just save me from this horror!

Good one, Skin.

Daddy_Rabbit · Mar 5, 2011

Skin said:
oh my god its stamped CRAFTSMAN ON THE HANDLE!

/me throws hundreds at SO man

take it take it just save me from this horror!

sadly this is very close to the truth for some.

johnsdeere850j · Mar 5, 2011

LOL marketing gimmick by the snap on man........ them pins just are pressed in just knock em out and swap handles

diesel research · Mar 5, 2011

Someone should assemble a duralast/snappy combo just for kicks.

LawnDart79 · Mar 5, 2011

diesel research said:
Someone should assemble a duralast/snappy combo just for kicks.

Oh ****!...here we go.

I'm running to my bomb shelter now to duck and cover! :uzi:

PassnThru · Mar 5, 2011

diesel research said:
Someone should assemble a duralast/snappy combo just for kicks.

The poor thing would drag itself around going "I am not an animal. I am not an animal....." :lol_hitti

bchee · Mar 5, 2011

PassnThru said:
The poor thing would drag itself around going "I am not an animal. I am not an animal....."

good one

AdamsAutoAdvice · Mar 5, 2011

Swapped Heads

Daddy_Rabbit said:
wouldnt be that difficult to drive the pin out of the handle and change out the heads ... i think it smells very fishy considering a competitor has it and is using it to his benefit.

This would not surprise me either. This actually first crossed my mind. I mean obviously the Snap-On man wants you to feel like spending huge amounts of $$$ on his tools is worth it.

Craftsman and Matco are made by Danaher. It's totally possible this is manufacturing defect that they overlooked.

Theloniousmonk · Mar 5, 2011

Re: Swapped Heads

Daddy_Rabbit said:
wouldnt be that difficult to drive the pin out of the handle and change out the heads ... i think it smells very fishy considering a competitor has it and is using it to his benefit.

+1 Can't believe everything we see on the interwebz. It's odd, as stated by others, that the new marketing campaign comparing SO/Matco/Cman recently came out, and now this shows up...

Fedwrench said:
Could be a marketing prop to brand bash, could be someone asleep at the assembly plant, who knows or cares other than the Snap on man?
I do feel that comparing brands across the Danaher/Apex line isn't a very good marketing strategy though. You might accidently point out to the tech that only flagged a few hours for the week, that a Danaher $20 stubby flexhead ratchet might do the job for you instead of paying $75 for the Snap on version.

Your sig. tells the truth.

AdamsAutoAdvice said:
This would not surprise me either. This actually first crossed my mind. I mean obviously the Snap-On man wants you to feel like spending huge amounts of $$$ on his tools is worth it.

Craftsman and Matco are made by Danaher. It's totally possible this is manufacturing defect that they overlooked.

Yup. Things happen... just shows there are options for frankensteining a ratchet or two... I used to take my GIjoes apart and put different arms/heads/legs/bodies back together... Every see a Crimson Guard w/ a Gungho head? Now, if we can only figure out how to cut/drill the new Cman premiums to fit a flex :beer:

diesel research · Mar 5, 2011

Re: Swapped Heads

Theloniousmonk said:
Now, if we can only figure out how to cut/drill the new Cman premiums to fit a flex

Why go to the trouble?

Add a matco 88 kit and be done with it.

Theloniousmonk · Mar 5, 2011

Re: Swapped Heads

diesel research said:
Why go to the trouble?

Add a matco 88 kit and be done with it.

boredom? I like the new premium handles. :beer:

Though the Arm's handles are quite nice too. It is hard to beat a 88 in a Arm, imo.

porphyre · Mar 5, 2011

Anybody else notice the severe wear on the black oxide selector on the supposedly "from Matco" ratchet? I don't think Matco would send a used ratchet head to someone as a warranty return. I've never mailed in a warranty item to Matco, though, so I don't know if they do that.

AdamsAutoAdvice · Mar 5, 2011

It seemed like the Snap-On dealer bought it from the technician or traded it for a SO version. I assume he shows this ratchet to lot of people. So even though it sits in the tool truck mostly, a lot of people probably handle it.

jammer1001 · Mar 5, 2011

Matco and Cornwell hardline tools are not made buy the company name sakes, Danaher is owner of Matco like Stanley owns Mac. Snap on tools are mostly made by the Wright tool company which are very good tools and are US made although some are from Taiwan. Want to see something cool, look at a De Walt saws all and a craftsman there the same thing! Mac tools are US made by Mac in there plant in Texas but they do have some that are also made in Taiwan.

mrholeshot · Mar 5, 2011

Yeah, just a handle swap. I bet the SO guy wont sell it until he swaps the handles back.

Butters · Mar 5, 2011

That's really crazy because just last week my Snap On guy had the same thing! Stranger still, I was at a buddy's shop later that same day while his SO dealer was there and he had one too!

(I'm just stirring **** up. I don't have a shop. . . or a Snap On guy . . . or a buddy . . .

)

Chadro · Mar 5, 2011

Pretty sad that the dealer had to stoop to that level just to try to steer people away from the Matco truck and buy his ratchets.

I wouldn't do business with a guy that pulls **** like that. Until someone confirms that Matco and Craftsman ratchets are made in the same plant or get sent to the same place for warranty issues, I say big time BS.

TireTracks · Mar 5, 2011

jammer1001 said:
Matco and Cornwell hardline tools are not made buy the company name sakes, Danaher is owner of Matco like Stanley owns Mac. Snap on tools are mostly made by the Wright tool company which are very good tools and are US made although some are from Taiwan. Want to see something cool, look at a De Walt saws all and a craftsman there the same thing! Mac tools are US made by Mac in there plant in Texas but they do have some that are also made in Taiwan.

can I have some of what your smokeing? :wtf:

mrholeshot · Mar 5, 2011

jammer1001 said:
Matco and Cornwell hardline tools are not made buy the company name sakes, Danaher is owner of Matco like Stanley owns Mac. Snap on tools are mostly made by the Wright tool company which are very good tools and are US made although some are from Taiwan. Want to see something cool, look at a De Walt saws all and a craftsman there the same thing! Mac tools are US made by Mac in there plant in Texas but they do have some that are also made in Taiwan.

I see you have been talking to the MAC technical service department :lol_hitti

Daddy_Rabbit · Mar 5, 2011

mrholeshot said:
I see you have been talking to the MAC technical service department

tonydanzah · Mar 5, 2011

jammer1001 said:
Matco and Cornwell hardline tools are not made buy the company name sakes, Danaher is owner of Matco like Stanley owns Mac. Snap on tools are mostly made by the Wright tool company which are very good tools and are US made although some are from Taiwan. Want to see something cool, look at a De Walt saws all and a craftsman there the same thing! Mac tools are US made by Mac in there plant in Texas but they do have some that are also made in Taiwan.

finally the truth comes out!

nato · Mar 5, 2011

It would seem much more believeable if ONLY Danaher used a super special type of fastener/pin to lock in their flex head joints into their handles so that only Danaher tool dealers could service and take apart the ratchets.... :bounce:

Anyone can drive a pin out and drive it right back in....
how much trust do you instill in your Snappy dealer, ehhhhhhhh????

chevy302dz · Mar 5, 2011

The 36 tooth ratchets were made at least in the same plant if not on the same line. When Danaher shutdown their plant in MA there were several guys at local swapmeets selling off stock they had gotten from the plant. The majority was Matco with some Craftsman Pro mixed in as well as oddball things like the Craftsman stainless ratchets. Now none of this is to say the ratchets are the same, only that they came from the same place.

treasureseeker · Mar 5, 2011

How about a Matco/OldForge This is the old Window Crank tool that came with a set of OldForge Trim tools. The Blades for the trim tools were same for Matco and OldForge at this time. Based on a large flaw in the bade common to both.

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