MATCO PM714P Needle Nose Pliers

[Jastone7373]

These are my favorite and most-used pliers that I have. I've had them for ages. I would like to get another pair, but despite having the model #, I cannot find a single thing about them online.






Does anyone have any info on these pliers? The closest I've been able to find are the Xcelite Nn7776vn -- but they're not 100% exactly the same.

https://www.zoro.com/xcelite-6-in-w...MIkLrG7ZTrkAMV6DYIBR0ciwPnEAAYAyAAEgLy2PD_BwE

 

[neophyte]

It’s a “needle nose” pair of pliers.
Multiple manufacturers make, or gave made variations on the design, with slight differences.

This is a Knipex version, but without the spring, and without serrations, and the tips are a bit wider and flatter.

Knipex 6.3" Needle-Nose Pliers (Gripping Pliers) - Plastic Grip

Knipex 6.3" Needle-Nose Pliers (Gripping Pliers) - Plastic Grip - high quality German engineering at the lowest price

www.kctool.com

There used to be variations not only in total length, but also in jaw length, with some versions having shorter or longer jaws, (presumably for stiffness), but otherwise basically the same design.

Crescent still manufactures a similar design with serrations, but without the spring. (777-6CVN)
The last 6 referring to the length.
The tips are thicker nowadays, probably to help avoid warrantee claims from users over torquing the fine tips.

No spring on these Japanese KAL tools version, but closer to yours.
These 5-1/2” Craftsman versions are also close.

The TOP Kogyo design isn’t exactly the same, but might have similar attributes.

Also the TsunoDA “Sharp” pliers.

Also these Merry pliers.

 

[neophyte]

The older Utica 777 model pliers also seem to have been made to a finer, sharper design, than the current Crescent 777 pliers, which are the successors.

 

[neophyte]

I think the pliers might actually be a version of the Xcelite 777 series pliers.
The Xcelite brand is owned by Apex, which used to be be part of the same tool group that owned Matco. (Matco split off separatelywhen Apex was sold to Baine).
Xcelite seems yo use some of the same model numbers as Utica and later Crescent, but Xcelite is focused on more precision uses.
There’s a 6” version of the pliers.

 

[jsmeece]

I would look at maybe Proto, they may have something similar.

 

[Oregon Dave]

These are my favorite and most-used pliers that I have. I've had them for ages. I would like to get another pair, but despite having the model #, I cannot find a single thing about them online.






Does anyone have any info on these pliers? The closest I've been able to find are the Xcelite Nn7776vn -- but they're not 100% exactly the same.

https://www.zoro.com/xcelite-6-in-w...MIkLrG7ZTrkAMV6DYIBR0ciwPnEAAYAyAAEgLy2PD_BwE

Great photographic skills; wish I could get that good of resolution.

 

[KnurledNut]

Channellock used a multispline rivet like that on their Little Champ.

 

[Jastone7373]

I think the pliers might actually be a version of the Xcelite 777 series pliers.
The Xcelite brand is owned by Apex, which used to be be part of the same tool group that owned Matco. (Matco split off separatelywhen Apex was sold to Baine).
Xcelite seems yo use some of the same model numbers as Utica and later Crescent, but Xcelite is focused on more precision uses.
There’s a 6” version of the pliers.

The vintage craftsman and Xcelite look like the closest match. Just ordered the Xcelite ones from Zoro -- will know in a couple days!

https://www.zoro.com/xcelite-6-in-wellerr-xceliter-needle-nose-plier-ergonomic-handle-nn7776vn/i/G0849046/?q=G0849046

 

[Davefr]

Go to Ebay and set up a search for E703BCG. They're the best small needle nose I've ever used. It's too bad SO discontinued their electronics line of pliers but they do show up on Ebay.

 

[Jastone7373]

I love how fast shipping is from Zoro. Fedex just dropped off the Xcelites.

All-in-all, they're similar but not an exact match. A bit larger in every dimension -- but most importantly, the jaws are quite a bit wider than the Matcos. The Matco jaws are actually like needles and that's part of why I find them so useful. Oh well, the search continues....







and just for fun -- all of the Matcos contenders i have gone through...

 

[dscheidt]

I have these. They are super fine tipped — each jaw is about 55 thou wide and 30 thou thick. I have no idea where they came from, and the printing is not readable. Both handles have ID218 on the inside.

 

[Oregon Dave]

Pretty sure that is a Utica logo.

 

[dscheidt]

Pretty sure that is a Utica logo.

Yes, I knew it was familiar.
Theyre probably 775 according to a quick glance of a catalog.

Pardon Our Interruption...

 

[glenng]

These Swanstrom and Fujiya are basically tweezer nose pliers, but they don't have serrated blades like your Matco.

Pliers - Needle Nose, Midsize, Extra Long Smooth Jaw, Long Ergonomic Handle (Swanstrom S330E) - Amazon.com

Pliers - Needle Nose, Midsize, Extra Long Smooth Jaw, Long Ergonomic Handle (Swanstrom S330E) - Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0192GD37Y/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[ecotec]

Go to Ebay and set up a search for E703BCG. They're the best small needle nose I've ever used. It's too bad SO discontinued their electronics line of pliers but they do show up on Ebay.

I have been wanting to get those. I like that it has the pin that stops them from twisting.

I went out to the garage to look for some that look like the OP’s. I found Krauter’s and Snap-on’s. I have other pairs of this style pliers, but I couldn’t find them.

 

[KnurledNut]

Closest I have are an old pair of Klein 318-5 1/2C's.
They measure 5-3/4.
Opposing diagonal jaw serrations.
Very slim needle profile.
They still sell this model but its shaped differently now.
https://www.kleintools.com/catalog/cutting-tools/pliers-needle-nose-pliers-5-inch

 

[Davefr]

If you truly need tweezer nose serrated these are excellent and relatively inexpensive. They kind of fill the gap between tweezers and needle nose pliers.

Xuron - 450S Tweezer Nose Pliers - Serrated: Industrial Tweezers: Amazon.com: Tools & Home Improvement

Xuron - 450S Tweezer Nose Pliers - Serrated: Industrial Tweezers: Amazon.com: Tools & Home Improvement

www.amazon.com

 

[neophyte]

Most similar pliers to these seem to have gotten wider and thick jaws over the years, probably due to users bending or twisting the jaws due to excessively strenuous use, with the users asking for warrantee replacements.
There are specialty pliers made for jewelers and watchmaking, and electronics use, that might still have the ultra narrow jaws, but there’s no guarantee.

None of the pliers would likely be a direct match, but some might be close enough.
Swanstrom might be an option.
Some of the pliers seem to have serrated tips, and Swanstrom has tip width indicated.

Xurin might be a more affordable option, but they don’t list tip width.

https://xuron.com/uploads/English2.pdf

Schmitz from Germany might be another option,
I didn’t see tip width listed though.
Knipex slso rebrands some of these, as do and have others.

Snipe Nose Pliers

The jaws sually straight, but also bent in 2 versions: near the point or in the middleof the jaws, both with 45°. Bent jawsare of great advantage in confined spaces. Of equal importance are the insides: smooth to protect wire surfacesand components – or – with fine serrations to produce a safe...

www.schmitz-pliers.com

 

[Davefr]

Here are three of my narrowest tip needle nose. SO E703BCG, Swanstrom S330E, Xuron Tweezer Nose. The low cost Xuron Tweezer Nose are a "no brainer" to get if you don't need the reach. Swantroms are spendy but excellent pliers (also available as serrated S331E). SO are discontinued but can be found on Ebay and are fabulous pliers.


SO: .0765" X .0765" Serrated


Swanstrom: .0725" X .0510" Smooth:


Xuron Tweezer Nose Serrated: .0725" X .0625"

 

[KnurledNut]

I use a long reach version more than any. Not sure who the manufacturer is. Smooth jaws. The overall thin design is great.
Shown with Proto Professional with crosshatch tips.

Here's a 90 degree pair made in Japan, unknown maker. The rounded body is unique. Straight serrated jaws.
Excelta makes a box joint needle nose with full length crosshatch jaws and thin tips, a little out of the ordinary. Very sturdy.

 

[neophyte]

The other option would be to get the closest pliers you can affordably find.
Then close the pliers, maybe gluing the tips together with some threadlocker.
Then use a diamond file or india abrasive file on the sides of the jaws to narrow the tips of the pliers.
Then use a threadlocker solvent to free the tips from being bonded together.

 

[glenng]

Proto 222G

Grainger has them

 

[BWWgarage]

Gotta chime in and complement the diligence and photo skills of GJ!

 

[BWWgarage]

Another option?

 

[bwringer]

Most similar pliers to these seem to have gotten wider and thick jaws over the years, probably due to users bending or twisting the jaws due to excessively strenuous use, with the users asking for warrantee replacements.

Yup. If you look at reviews for any fine-tipped pliers, you'll see legions of idiot gorillas who can't figure out why they bent their pliers trying to twist 12 gauge wire or somesuch.

Nice to see true "needle" nose pliers, and I haven't seen the terms "tweezer nose" or "sharp nose" before.

 

[bwringer]

Another option?

I bought a set of the Tsunoda "Sharp Nose" pliers (to go with the many other Tsunoda pliers I have kicking around) and they just arrived.

I'm truly impressed. Beautiful jaws, absolutely symmetric, sharp teeth, and they meet precisely.

The plastic covering on the handles is, well... woo. Pretty grody. Make no bones about it, that's some hard, slick, nasty, cheap-looking, ucomfortable plastic on the meathook end (I prefer simple thin dipped vinyl). But the business end is perfection, so I'll just have to live with it. For the price, they're amazing.

If does turn out to be cheap plastic, I'll just yank or break the rest off as soon as it starts to deteriorate. However, I suspect that it's not actually cheap, and will probably outlive me.

Tsunoda pliers are routinely off-the-charts bang for the buck quality.

 

[M.Jay]

The handles are the most disappointing thing about Japanese pliers. No matter which manufacturer you look at, they all just use these cheesy plastic sleeves.

 

[drokihazan]

I have Snap-On P92055a. Looks like what you're seeking. They have a locating pin to help keep the thin jaws from twisting, which is cool. I bought them and use them specifically to reach down inside helicoils in a blind hole and snap the tab off, because I didn't wanna use the punch tool and lose a coil tab inside an engine. They fit super well.

 

[neophyte]

I bought a set of the Tsunoda "Sharp Nose" pliers (to go with the many other Tsunoda pliers I have kicking around) and they just arrived.

I'm truly impressed. Beautiful jaws, absolutely symmetric, sharp teeth, and they meet precisely.

The plastic covering on the handles is, well... woo. Pretty grody. Make no bones about it, that's some hard, slick, nasty, cheap-looking, ucomfortable plastic on the meathook end (I prefer simple thin dipped vinyl). But the business end is perfection, so I'll just have to live with it. For the price, they're amazing.

If does turn out to be cheap plastic, I'll just yank or break the rest off as soon as it starts to deteriorate. However, I suspect that it's not actually cheap, and will probably outlive me.

Tsunoda pliers are routinely off-the-charts bang for the buck quality.

The handles are the most disappointing thing about Japanese pliers. No matter which manufacturer you look at, they all just use these cheesy plastic sleeves.

That type of plastic molded handle used to be standard on many pliers, including ones made in the USA and Europe, and some people still pay extra to purchase the Klein-Koat plier replacement grips to “upgrade” their pliers.
The major difference is the surface grip texture and the “wings” on the top of the handles near the pivot, but some US plier manufacturers used to use a checkered design, and the wings were standard (and still are) on pliers made for high voltage electrical use.
The handles simply “look cheap” because they’re not the modern bi-material grips so common nowadays, (which may be less durable).

 

[M.Jay]

The handles simply “look cheap” because they’re not the modern bi-material grips so common nowadays, (which may be less durable).

It's not about the look, they just don't feel good. I have 40 year old pliers with handles made of cellulose acetate. Not only do they feel comfortable in the hand, they are virtually indestructible. Much better than any other material used today, including those fancy comfort grips.

 

[Jastone7373]

Well one place I hadn’t thought to look is actually Matcos current line of pliers. Order the PMN06A. Don’t know if they’re the updated version of what I have - all I know is both pliers share a part number that begins with “PM”

The jaws are a little shorter and wider than rhe originals. The handles are obviously different but center body/pivot portion seems to be pretty close in design.

 

[Jastone7373]

Well i think i solved the mystery! I believe they're the Utica 714-6 "Extra Long Needle Nose Plier"

After looking at tons of comparable pliers, I felt the closet matches were with vintage Utica pliers. The popular 777-6's were close, but not quite a perfect match. Thanks to the International Tool Catalog Library, I found an old Utica Catalog and discovered the 714-6.



The Utica "714-6" part number also tracks with the Matco "PM714P" part number.

Found a pic from a random listing online and can't seem to find any different other than the color of the grips.



Now I just need to setup some ebay alerts!

 

[Shoreline_]

I wouldve just ground down the xcelites to match.

 

[Cc_windsurfer]

Utica 777-6

 

[Ohio Andy]

Well i think i solved the mystery! I believe they're the Utica 714-6 "Extra Long Needle Nose Plier"

After looking at tons of comparable pliers, I felt the closet matches were with vintage Utica pliers. The popular 777-6's were close, but not quite a perfect match. Thanks to the International Tool Catalog Library, I found an old Utica Catalog and discovered the 714-6.



The Utica "714-6" part number also tracks with the Matco "PM714P" part number.

Found a pic from a random listing online and can't seem to find any different other than the color of the grips.



Now I just need to setup some ebay alerts!

Very nice! I have a set of the Utica 77-5 1/2, which are close. I will admit that I prefer the Klein Tools D318-51/2C.
See: https://www.zoro.com/klein-tools-pliers-needle-nose-pliers-5-inch-d318-512c/i/G0585037/

I have considered the Proto J223G Needle-Nose Pliers - Long Extra Thin 6-5/32"

See: https://www.zoro.com/proto-needle-nose-pliers-long-extra-thin-6-532-j223g/i/G2544071