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InsanePyro

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About a year ago I finally managed to get myself a job in a shop and figured it was high time I got some good tools. First toolguy that came around was the Matco guy. Seemed like a goody guy (he is) with some good tools (up for debate). I ended up getting a nice ratchet, socket set and impact from him. I have blown up that ratchet three or four times and even had it replaced once when I bent it and it still acts goofy. Likes to get stuck and not ratchet. Then we have the socket set. The sockets themselves are nice but the dang swivel is a huge POS. I have blown up and bent that thing probably around 10 times. He actually had to order more since I kept breaking them. I use it daily for oil filters on GMs stupid ecocrap engines. Then lastly is my impact. It likes to stop impacting and blow air and torque lock and the gun trys to spin out of my hands. I had it rebuilt (for free) a few months ago but the other day it started the same **** again. Anyone else have these kind of experiences or did I just get a bad batch of tools?

I've also broken my 140lb torque stick twice now, forgot about that
 
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About a year ago I finally managed to get myself a job in a shop and figured it was high time I got some good tools. First toolguy that came around was the Matco guy. Seemed like a goody guy (he is) with some good tools (up for debate). I ended up getting a nice ratchet, socket set and impact from him. I have blown up that ratchet three or four times and even had it replaced once when I bent it and it still acts goofy. Likes to get stuck and not ratchet. Then we have the socket set. The sockets themselves are nice but the dang swivel is a huge POS. I have blown up and bent that thing probably around 10 times. He actually had to order more since I kept breaking them. I use it daily for oil filters on GMs stupid ecocrap engines. Then lastly is my impact. It likes to stop impacting and blow air and torque lock and the gun trys to spin out of my hands. I had it rebuilt (for free) a few months ago but the other day it started the same **** again. Anyone else have these kind of experiences or did I just get a bad batch of tools?

I've also broken my 140lb torque stick twice now, forgot about that

Doesn't the Ecotec oil filter (at least the ones I've done, a 1.8L Sonic and a a 2.4L Malibu) use a low profile type socket?
 

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The only thing that I'm not impressed with, is that almost every tool I've had that was Matco, was rebranded. Almost everything has been good quality... it just ***** when the Pro Tool companies rebrand something and sell it for way more than you can find it elsewhere. At the time I purchased these items, I was unaware that Matco didn't actually manufacture the products.
 

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Matco quality is usually quite good. You must realize though that the only thing matco makes is tool boxes. Everything else is made for them by someone else.
I am confused by a couple of your issues though. First, how are you ruining a universal joint removing a plastic cap for a canister oil filter? Do you lube your impact wrench daily with air tool oil? Are blowing up a 3/8drive ratchet from not using a larger breaker bar? Are these real MATCO tools or silver eagle stuff?

:dunno:
 

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I've never had a problem with any Matco tool and they are a tool "supplier" with their own design engineers. Who cares if some of the stuff is rebranded. What ymost fail to realize is that Matco designs many tools and has suppliers build them. There is a term used in tool and the tech vendor/supplier industry known as "first to street" which is defined as: our design, manufactured by another party and exclusive rights to market for 4 years before other competitors can bid to market their own version. Not to be confused with patent rights which is a sole proprietary issue.
 

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About a year ago I finally managed to get myself a job in a shop and figured it was high time I got some good tools. First toolguy that came around was the Matco guy. Seemed like a goody guy (he is) with some good tools (up for debate). I ended up getting a nice ratchet, socket set and impact from him. I have blown up that ratchet three or four times and even had it replaced once when I bent it and it still acts goofy. Likes to get stuck and not ratchet. Then we have the socket set. The sockets themselves are nice but the dang swivel is a huge POS. I have blown up and bent that thing probably around 10 times. He actually had to order more since I kept breaking them. I use it daily for oil filters on GMs stupid ecocrap engines. Then lastly is my impact. It likes to stop impacting and blow air and torque lock and the gun trys to spin out of my hands. I had it rebuilt (for free) a few months ago but the other day it started the same **** again. Anyone else have these kind of experiences or did I just get a bad batch of tools?

I've also broken my 140lb torque stick twice now, forgot about that



Soak the ratchet head in ATF, then re-test for binding. I assume you're popping the snap ring out when it blows up? That's just lots of force, at a ****** angle (pulling outward with too much force on ring). That's why the matco/GW design is not the only one to have. It fits where a dual 80 doesn't but fails by puking the guts out, while dual 80 just slips. Does it normally fail doing a certain type of job? What drive size? Eventually after being blown up enough, the head of that ratchet where the snap-ring sits can become damaged.


Why use a universal on ecotec filters? A long 3/8 extension will hit just fine on the non-chevy cruze stuff. Those I just use a shorter extension and a flex head ratchet. A pinned impact style universal will hold up better. At a certain point, universals are consumables. FWIW, I too, have murdered quite a few matco universals. I switched to the impact style (where ever they'll fit) and now have zero failures. I haven't broken my SK or Willaims brand chrome universals yet, but I use them rarely now.

Wobble extensions can also eliminate universals to an extent. GW aren't all that strong (they're machined). My SKs aren't wobble plus, but I have put them through unbelievable torture, with zero failures yet. I'm talking, 1/4 inch deflection from the center line, on a 1/4 drive 18 inch extension, stepped up to 3/8 drive for leverage.


Torque stick is a consumable, and also gay. :lol:



I would get a whole new gun or rebuild. The whole "spinning in your hands" is unbelievably dangerous. It could twist your elbow or break a wrist. Not safe at all, and no okay.


Seriously, not safe. Diversify your brands a little bit, and have doubles (from more than one quality brand ideally) of high frequency failure tools. But as long as matco is holding up the warranty they promised, that's what matters. They sold you tools, expressly advertising a warranty, all the trucks do.
 
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Marco is like Craftsman they do not make any tools with the exception of toolboxes.. Their new stuff are mostly Chinese or Taiwan made just like craftsman... They have different vendors make tools for them rebranded Matco... But
 

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Marco is like Craftsman they do not make any tools with the exception of toolboxes.. Their new stuff are mostly Chinese or Taiwan made just like craftsman... They have different vendors make tools for them rebranded Matco... But

Their toolboxes used to be made in upstate NY. I believe that they bought the company and/or factory that made them. I have that information downstairs in the drawer with the Matco parts they sent me for my MB503 middle box.
 
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Sounds like a case of not taking care of the impact. Matco impacts are IR's and I'm a huge IR fan as long as you oil them daily and grease them weekly they'll last for a long time.

I use the Matco 88 ratchets exclusively aside from a couple armstrongs with Matco guts. I've got well over $1500 into Matco ratchets alone. I've broken my fair share of them. But every time I was using them far beyond their intended design. Also they've never questioned it and warranty it every time. Even when I'm completely honest with how abusive I was. Sometimes it's so questionable I tell my dealer to send it in and just see what they do and every time I've had a brand new one in my hand by the next week at the latest.

Yes Matco may not have their own exclusive tools like Snapon or Mac. But they are quality tools.

Also quality tools aren't exempt from failure. I break SnapOn stuff quite often and my personal opinion is they have the best quality tools out, worst quality distributors. But that's for a different thread.


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i was putting most of my considerable weight on my 11" matco 88 trying to get a seized differential plug to budge without any failure to the ratchet... or the chinese plug socket from HF

never did get the plug out of that diff
 

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I've always had good luck with Matco stuff, even if they didn't make it, it's always held up for me. And I don't work on Malibus.
 

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I tend to get into the habit of oiling the tools every time I use them and grease them on a regular schedule as needed. How much air pressure are you set for in your shop lines?
 

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I've got matco stuff. Some is good some is bad. I like their 88t locking flex ratchets and 1/4" impact sockets. Have a set of impact torx too. The t20 tip is twisted (12v impact wrench) but other than that they have held up better than I expected.

The 1/4" tools with that gold coating over them are **** though. The ones I have are the stubby hex sockets and the 1/4" drive philips bit sockets. The coating wears off quickly where it makes contact and you are left with soft, bare metal that wears quickly.
 
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Matco quality is usually quite good. You must realize though that the only thing matco makes is tool boxes. Everything else is made for them by someone else.
I am confused by a couple of your issues though. First, how are you ruining a universal joint removing a plastic cap for a canister oil filter? Do you lube your impact wrench daily with air tool oil? Are blowing up a 3/8drive ratchet from not using a larger breaker bar? Are these real MATCO tools or silver eagle stuff?

:dunno:

The equinoxs have kind of a weird angle so the joint helps there. I usually oil it every few days. My grease thing has never cooperated so I just open it up and put a glob in the tip right where the grease thing is and put it back togeather. Everything is Matco except my sockets (so the joint isn't).

Soak the ratchet head in ATF, then re-test for binding. I assume you're popping the snap ring out when it blows up? That's just lots of force, at a ****** angle (pulling outward with too much force on ring). That's why the matco/GW design is not the only one to have. It fits where a dual 80 doesn't but fails by puking the guts out, while dual 80 just slips. Does it normally fail doing a certain type of job? What drive size? Eventually after being blown up enough, the head of that ratchet where the snap-ring sits can become damaged.

The ring has only popped out once. The other times it just stops ratcheting or seizes


Torque stick is a consumable, and also gay. :lol:

Don't worry I think they're dumb too...but the guy who signs my paycheck says I need to use them

I would get a whole new gun or rebuild. The whole "spinning in your hands" is unbelievably dangerous. It could twist your elbow or break a wrist. Not safe at all, and no okay.
Seriously, not safe. Diversify your brands a little bit, and have doubles (from more than one quality brand ideally) of high frequency failure tools. But as long as matco is holding up the warranty they promised, that's what matters. They sold you tools, expressly advertising a warranty, all the trucks do.

Its been rebuilt. And yeah he keeps warrantying them but man is it getting old.

Pyro, how did you bend the ratchet?

I'm really not sure. He was looking at it while talking to me and noticed it was bent. I did use it to take off lug nuts once when my buddys wheel bearing froze up on him in the middle of winter on the highway...but that was long before he noticed. He gave me a new one after that one
 
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