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Walked through Sears the other day and now I know why they had no Craftsman red fiberglass handled shovels most of the summer !

All of them now have Made in USA stamped into the metal shovel head !!
 
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People are slowly starting to come around and realize the value of USA made tools and starting to ask for them.
 

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the other day I was at Sears and I noticed their CM hammers said made in USA, but they were not stamped USA.
 

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Would much rather pay a little more for a product made here in the states by Americans. Good for everyone
 

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I really hope they start making their tap and die sets here again. I would love to grab their small set for around 30 which seems to be the average price. But I'm not going to buy it unless its made in the USA.
 

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the other day I was at Sears and I noticed their CM hammers said made in USA, but they were not stamped USA.
Craftsman hammers are made in the USA by Vaughan and have been for a long time. I did notice the other day that the stamping on the handle has changed. Use to be indented into the handle but now it's just painted on
 

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Ill second that about sending to Irwin! I have a body shop where we do everything possible from clipping cars to panel replacement. For this sort of work I have at least 200 vise grips, havent bought another since the quality isnt what it used to be when Peterson owned them. Rather dissapointing !!
 

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Hopefully they're starting to figure out that making and selling Chinese tools is about the least unique business plan in the world. Everyone does it, and if they want to do it too, they better be charging cheap Chinese tool prices, not Craftsman prices. I've got absolutely no interest in buying overpriced Chinese tools... but I have a lot of interest in buying relatively affordable US made tools.
 

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Walked through Sears the other day and now I know why they had no Craftsman red fiberglass handled shovels most of the summer !

All of them now have Made in USA stamped into the metal shovel head !!

Interesting you should bring this topic up. Unfortunately I very recently broke my old Craftsman (made in the USA) wooden handled shovel off at the tang. I had that shovel for at least 10-12 years and got it after I broke my first Craftsman wooden handled shovel that I also had for about a 10-12 years. Anyway, I took the shovel back to Sears thinking I'd get another wooden handled replacement, and hoping that it would still be a USA made product. The sales associate took me over to the lawn tool section and picked this Craftsman red fiberglass handled shovel off the hook and handed it to me. And like you said, I was VERY happy to see "USA" prominently stamped into the shovel's blade in big letters. It was a $30 shovel....for free. The sales associate told me that the USA made fiberglass handled shovels were now carrying the Craftsman name. It was a nice upgrade, and I was glad to see that Sears was sticking with a product that was made in the USA.

Jim C.
 

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I really hope they start making their tap and die sets here again. I would love to grab their small set for around 30 which seems to be the average price. But I'm not going to buy it unless its made in the USA.

Absoultely. I've been hoping to see a USA made set at Sears for a long time. I'm not buying from china.

Jim C.
 

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Hopefully they're starting to figure out that making and selling Chinese tools is about the least unique business plan in the world. Everyone does it, and if they want to do it too, they better be charging cheap Chinese tool prices, not Craftsman prices. I've got absolutely no interest in buying overpriced Chinese tools... but I have a lot of interest in buying relatively affordable US made tools.

The Chinese have been making fine things for years and have some of the wolds most talanted workers.
It is not China that is making things but comapnies and people form around the world having them made with Chinese labor. A product is only as good as a manifacture. Yes, they do make some real **** and a lot of knock offs. That is very bad but the tool companies that make cheap tools are not willing to make quality. Dont blame the Chinese for that. They want jobs just like we do. They are not in charge of the way things are made. Besides they make things the way they are told. Many things Chinese are the finest in the world. They can sit for hours and do the same little job and do a perfect job. Find some Yank to do that for what they get paid.

I don't care where anything is made as long as it has good quality. We sell our goods around the world. As a nation we can only gain welth by trading with other countries. It is a two way street. Products and supplys come form all around the world. If we only had the American market to sell to or do buisness with we would be in a real world of hurt. It is what goes into a product. Blame the company owneres not the Chinse worker. They are loosing a lot of jobs because they are demanding a higher rate of pay and better working conditions. In our early days as a country the fisrt Americans found they could make money selling to England and Europe. We made money and grew as a nation selling to other countries. That is how we started. If we did not sell to other countries we would not have gained welth as a nation. That is basic economics 101.

I just want good quality. The next time you buy an auto part see where it is made? Canada or Mexico. Why not ***** about them?

I will pay for quality not where a product is made because in the end that makes no diference.
 

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It is a two way street.

I agree what you're saying but it's not a two way street. The problem is our politicians are not willing to initiate the changes to create trading systems that are fair and level playing fields for both sides.
 

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Thanks for the info. I think I'll go buy one of those Craftsman USA shovels to day before the storm hits. I have not been to SEARS in a long time. I will not buy Craftsman Tools without USA stamped on it.
 

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Walked through Sears the other day and now I know why they had no Craftsman red fiberglass handled shovels most of the summer !

All of them now have Made in USA stamped into the metal shovel head !!

Yes and they were on sale for $15 over the summer. Had to pick me up one for that good deal.
 
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What about their other garden tools? I'm going to be needing a post hole digger and have a few broken tools around here that need replacing. I'd love to have them all stamped "Made in USA".
 

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I agree what you're saying but it's not a two way street. The problem is our politicians are not willing to initiate the changes to create trading systems that are fair and level playing fields for both sides.

The problem here is that to be buying from other countries, we must continue selling to other countries. Without selling, there's no capitol to buy, and if we stop making things here, we have nothing to sell, so no money to buy, which leaves us not only a slave to other countries, but economically vulnerable
 

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Walked through Sears the other day and now I know why they had no Craftsman red fiberglass handled shovels most of the summer !

All of them now have Made in USA stamped into the metal shovel head !!

Yup. Earlier this year (April I think?) Sears replaced their Mexican/chinese line of stick tools with the USA ones. Good stuff too. I picked up a shovel, flat shovel, and hard tine rake when they were on sale for $17.99 each
 

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The problem here is that to be buying from other countries, we must continue selling to other countries. Without selling, there's no capitol to buy, and if we stop making things here, we have nothing to sell, so no money to buy, which leaves us not only a slave to other countries, but economically vulnerable

We're selling them plenty; all our raw materials go over there so they can bang on them a bit and send them back as useless, disposable ****!
 

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Would much rather pay a little more for a product made here in the states by Americans. Good for everyone

Agree. But the American consumer needs to value high wage domestic jobs as least as much as it values low prices. Until that day arrives, nothing will really change.
 

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Ames stick tools from HD are USA-made and have been for some time. Were Craftsman's shovels really foreign made? Hard to believe they're just now catching up to Home Despot in that category. I mean, it's positive, but still kinda sad.
 

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Ames stick tools from HD are USA-made and have been for some time. Were Craftsman's shovels really foreign made? Hard to believe they're just now catching up to Home Despot in that category. I mean, it's positive, but still kinda sad.

I don't think Craftsman shovels were foreign made. At they weren't about twenty years ago when I got my first one, nor were they ten or so years when I got my second one. They were still wood handled but U.S. made. According to the Sears sales associate I encountered a few days ago, Craftsman brand shovels were only those with the fiberglass handles. Fortunately those are still manufactured in the USA. Sears still sells wooden handled shovels but they are not Craftsman brand and are not guaranteed for life. I didn't look too close, but I think the wooden handled shovels Sears had in stock were True Value brand. I didn't notice where they were manufactured.

Jim C.
 

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I will pay for quality not where a product is made because in the end that makes no diference.

If you were unemployed (or just looking for a career change) and you had your heart set on working at Channellock, but Channellock told you they were shutting down and moving production to China next week, are you going to move to China with them?
 

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Now if only they would have kept makeing there sockets, wrenches and ratchets in the USA.

The last 2 craftsman screwdrivers I bought were only " assembled in the USA with domestic and forigen components".

Atleast they had USA( "NOS" now?) Punches and chisles last time I was there.
 

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Craftsman hammers are made in the USA by Vaughan and have been for a long time. I did notice the other day that the stamping on the handle has changed. Use to be indented into the handle but now it's just painted on

The hammers I saw at Sears didn't even have USA painted on it, it just said on the wall that the hammers were hanging on that it was made in USA.
 

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Now if only they would have kept makeing there sockets, wrenches and ratchets in the USA.

The last 2 craftsman screwdrivers I bought were only " assembled in the USA with domestic and forigen components".

Atleast they had USA( "NOS" now?) Punches and chisles last time I was there.

The chrome sockets , RP wrenchs and premium ratchets and still US made. And I was i thought there today and all the screwdrivers were also US made. .
 

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I bought my Cman shovels a short time back.


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The Chinese have been making fine things for years and have some of the wolds most talanted workers.
It is not China that is making things but comapnies and people form around the world having them made with Chinese labor. A product is only as good as a manifacture. Yes, they do make some real **** and a lot of knock offs. That is very bad but the tool companies that make cheap tools are not willing to make quality. Dont blame the Chinese for that. They want jobs just like we do. They are not in charge of the way things are made. Besides they make things the way they are told. Many things Chinese are the finest in the world. They can sit for hours and do the same little job and do a perfect job. Find some Yank to do that for what they get paid.

I don't care where anything is made as long as it has good quality. We sell our goods around the world. As a nation we can only gain welth by trading with other countries. It is a two way street. Products and supplys come form all around the world. If we only had the American market to sell to or do buisness with we would be in a real world of hurt. It is what goes into a product. Blame the company owneres not the Chinse worker. They are loosing a lot of jobs because they are demanding a higher rate of pay and better working conditions. In our early days as a country the fisrt Americans found they could make money selling to England and Europe. We made money and grew as a nation selling to other countries. That is how we started. If we did not sell to other countries we would not have gained welth as a nation. That is basic economics 101.

I just want good quality. The next time you buy an auto part see where it is made? Canada or Mexico. Why not ***** about them?

I will pay for quality not where a product is made because in the end that makes no diference.

Yeah, I get it, I've made the same argument, and there's truth in it.

However, most tool companies having things made in Asia aren't maintaining the same quality. It's not that they can't, it's that they don't. Granted, the same lack of quality could occur with US made stuff, but it generally doesn't. Contrast with Asia, especially China, where it's the rule, not the exception, to make ****. I've spoken to people who deal in getting parts made, and have faced the choice of domestic vs. outsourced, and a recurring theme I've heard is that when having a company make your stuff (not having your own factory there) in China, you have to specify EVERYTHING, or they'll take the cheapest way out. If you tell them to make you 1000 14mm 3/8" drive shallow sockets, you better tell them what metal composition, what process to use, what finish you need, what language you need them stamped in, what tolerance the hex has, and on and on. If you just said "1000 14mm 3/8" drive shallow sockets", you'd likely get what you asked for... except cast from melted down cans, with +/-3mm accuracy, as-cast, with the engravings in Chinese. :lol:


Don't get some rosy view that the Chinese, as a nation, "just want to work". You must be high. The industries want to make as much money as possible, by pushing out as much **** as possible, with the lowest allowable quality for the price, using grossly underpaid labor, in deplorable conditions, with no concern for any side effects. Hey, if we could do that here, we'd have plentiful, cheap manufacturing opportunities, too. Maybe we could finagle our currency to make our stuff cheaper, too.

The best thing Chinese is cashew chicken. :p

All that said, I don't hate on all things Asian. I own plenty of Gearwrench, it's decent stuff, at a price that reflects that while it's not junk, it's not exactly the greatest. When I buy Craftsman, I pay a premium over what I'd pay for similar Gearwrench, and I expect it to a)have better warranty service and b)be better quality. However, everything I've seen of outsourced Craftsman tells me they're not capable of making product overseas and maintaining an acceptable quality standard. I think they're shooting themselves in the foot trying to outsource Craftsman-branded tools, tripping over $20s to pick up some pennies. Among other reasons, a lifetime, no questions warranty means that when your shoddy product breaks 2x as often, you have to eat EVERY cost twice as often... like slow-boating it to the west coast, shipping it across the country, inventorying large quantities because it takes 2+ months from order to delivery, all in addition to that tempting low unit cost.
 

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The chrome sockets , RP wrenchs and premium ratchets and still US made. And I was i thought there today and all the screwdrivers were also US made. .

I have 2 craftsman Robinson(square) screwdrivers that say differently. :(
I dident look too closely at the standard type screw drivers( I allready have all of 'em), mabey the robinson's hardened( I hope, it's black) insert tip is imported or something?
 
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If thats the same shovel I bought in the spring.. Then I like it. Got a few things i'll use it for if the weather is good this weekend.
 

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And not to thread jack , But I agree with the post about Irwin Vice Grips, I wore out my Fathers pair, Then I replaced it with the Irwin version... It just ain't the same.
 

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I have 2 craftsman Robinson(square) screwdrivers that say differently. :(
I dident look too closely at the standard type screw drivers( I allready have all of 'em), mabey the robinson's hardened( I hope, it's black) insert tip is imported or something?

That is probably it I know standard screwdrivers are still US made. I remember 5 or 6 years ago being 15-16 years old goings threw the craftsman catalog the day it came in the mail making a dream list. now half those items are imported and the other 30% arn't even offered anymore. Its a shame.
 
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