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Maybe Sears isn't beyond redemption after all...

ugapug

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One of my favorite pairs of pliers broke today - a Craftsman 7" linesman pliers that was very old but still worked well. I was using it as intended to cut some speaker wire when the cutting blades snapped off on one side. I was disheartened, and headed up to Sears to see if they had a modern equivalent that would be acceptable. I took the old pliers with me - although this time I wasn't really planning to return them for a new pair as they are O L D. When I got there, I showed the lady working tools the old ones and told her how old they were. She said "Forever is forever, go get a new pair." I now have a shiny new pair of Craftsman Professional pliers... and my faith in Sears has been restored. If only all their sales staff could remember those first three words.

On a side note, I wish I hadn't swapped them out, but they WERE fubar.
 
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I think the Sears employees are hit or miss. I usuallly look for the "young and dumb" ones :)
 

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My wife returned some Craftsman combo wrenches for me and they didn't even bat an eyelash. I had bought some old ones at a garage sale, and three of them had the open ends marred/"dented" in a few spots. I knew very little about tools at that time, except that Craftsman had a lifetime warranty. What was the result? For me, I had three new wrenches. My wife, she was impressed because they didn't question her on the exchange. Sears/Craftsman, well....they have a customer now. I have since purchased over a thousand dollars in tools from Sears/Craftsman, but only Made In USA tools. And these purchases were made at the store, not on eBay or elsewhere (although, i still shop other outlets, too).

I guess I am the Craftsman dream customer...middle aged, disposable income, and a love of bright shiny objects made to fix things.
 

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I think the Sears employees are hit or miss. I usuallly look for the "young and dumb" ones :)

Not sure I understand that. Usually the older ones have some experience and they know what the guarantee is and don't give you any grief over it. Searching out the young and dumb ones only helps if you are trying to upgrade from the tool you brought in or pull something over on them.
 

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Awesome, if I didn't have knipex, I would probably have the craftsman pro... they are REALLY nice. Great score...
 

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My wife returned some Craftsman combo wrenches for me and they didn't even bat an eyelash. I had bought some old ones at a garage sale, and three of them had the open ends marred/"dented" in a few spots. I knew very little about tools at that time, except that Craftsman had a lifetime warranty. What was the result? For me, I had three new wrenches. My wife, she was impressed because they didn't question her on the exchange. Sears/Craftsman, well....they have a customer now. I have since purchased over a thousand dollars in tools from Sears/Craftsman, but only Made In USA tools. And these purchases were made at the store, not on eBay or elsewhere (although, i still shop other outlets, too).

I guess I am the Craftsman dream customer...middle aged, disposable income, and a love of bright shiny objects made to fix things.

I had the same problem, i had 2 combo wrenches from a garage sale and the open ends were marred up, took em back to sears they didn't even bat an eye either! I got me 2 new wrenches
 

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Had a quality return yesterday - - 1/4" ratchet froze up.

Walked in, explained that it was broken, was handed another ratchet, and left.
No problems, no bitching, no complaining... then again, I never have had a problem there.
 

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Not sure I understand that. Usually the older ones have some experience and they know what the guarantee is and don't give you any grief over it. Searching out the young and dumb ones only helps if you are trying to upgrade from the tool you brought in or pull something over on them.

Usually at the local sears I always find its just easier to warranty items with the younger people. Everyone else almost knows too much.
 

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Had a quality return yesterday - - 1/4" ratchet froze up.

Walked in, explained that it was broken, was handed another ratchet, and left.
No problems, no bitching, no complaining... then again, I never have had a problem there.

Was the replacement a re-manufactured unit?
 

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I swapped out one of my flex head ratcheting wrenches there with no hassle, just because the locking mechanism was coming loose whenever you used it. A $25 wrench, swapped with no fuss.

They have always been good to me.
 

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My dad returned a 1/4 flex socket, problems was the model number was not the correct number. It seemed that someone had made a 5/16 1/4 socket into a flex. The lady that worked there exchanged the socket, though she did have some questions about the socket. My dad bought the set from someone over 20 years ago. My Sears around here seems pretty good on their tool warranty. Now appliance and electronics warranties.......
 

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I might as well start off with a great first post...

Sears will be cracking down on ratchet exchanges. If you want a new one, the associate will have to get a manager's approval. The rebuilt ratchets are still fine, but they are raising heck about giving out new ones.

If you haven't already noticed, the Craftsman tape measures have been removed from the shelves. If the store has a few left over, you can still get a Craftsman. Other wise, you can get a chrome case Stanley or a gift card for the original purchase price plus tax.
 

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Tape measure crackdown makes sense. There's a guy on the mysears.com website (AdamO) who has been talking about this for a while. He's an insider of some sort.
 

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The clerks at our Sears franchise store have told me to check yard sales for old C-man tools and bring them in for exchange if I wanted to. I broke a microtork torque wrench and they replaced it even after I told them how I did it. It wasn't a faulty tool, but a faulty user. I was actually going to pay for the replacement, but they told me to just take it and leave the broken one.

One of my friends is a mechanic at the BMW dealer here and he brings C-man tools from their shop once a month for warrenty. He said he's never had a problem.

Coach
 

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that happens sometimes, othertimes the person behind the counter is a complete ***** or feels like arguing with me when I know more about their tools than they do

Sears problem is the lack of consistency. one good experience does not make them a good place to do business with just line one bad experience does not mean they are 'too far gone'
lets look at McDonalds. their success has largely been based on consistency.
their food may not be 'good' but when you go there you will almost always get exactly what you expected in the time you expected it. you will be greeted by someone the same way and your food will be served the same way

bob
 
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mrholeshot

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I've never had a problem with Sears replacement. My biggest problem with them now is all the China, Tiwan and Indonesian Craftsman branded tools. Harbor Freight has a lifetime warranty on cheap tools as well. I saw a set of Craftsman Nutdrivers yesterday made in China. They had a few sets of USA built still on the shelf. I may have bought the USA ones but I know if I broke one I would get the China version. The workers at my local sears are lazy. They just tell you to find what you need and leave the old stuff at the counter. They don't care and no customer service.
 

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Was at the local sears tool department yesterday and had a nice lookin' baby-doll working the register.
Got in her line and she checked me out...

Looks like I'll be going back more often to try to check her out....:pimpflash:lol_hitti
 

mrholeshot

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Was at the local sears tool department yesterday and had a nice lookin' baby-doll working the register.
Got in her line and she checked me out...

Looks like I'll be going back more often to try to check her out....:pimpflash:lol_hitti
Was she Asian, lol
 

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I have bought a lot of Craftsman tools, over a lot of years. Indeed I still have many tools I bought there in 1973.

Occasionally I return something, and always get replacements. But most recently, I took back a 1/4" drive ratchet, which had been accidentally left in my friend's boat all winter. It had rusted up inside, and when my neighbor tried to force the lever to switch directions, it broke off. But the chrome held up well, and the ratchet looked perfect outside, except the lever. The neighbor offered to pay for my ratchet, but I told him it was no problem, Sears would replace it. I was going to the mall soon anyway, so I took it along. I remember thinking that it was a shame that an otherwise perfectly good ratchet would be discarded, due to rust inside... :(

Always in the past, a sales clerk would just hand me a new one, and send me cheerfully on my way (However, I almost always ended up buying several more tools while I was there) :thumbup:.

However, this time a young man took a look at it and said, "Well, no wonder it's not working. I can see rust inside it. I'll be back." Then he went into the warehouse. After about 10 minutes he came back, and showed me my rusty parts inside. He said, "These things have to be oiled and taken care of. Let me see what my manager says I can do about it." Then he walked away. So I waited about 15 more minutes, and then he brought it out again, with all new parts inside. By coincidence, I had encountered some old friends in the tool department just then, and we were engaged in conversation when he returned. So he didn't approach me at that time. When my friends and I parted, I went and found that clerk, and asked him if everything was okay with my ratchet. He pointed to a little white plastic bag on the counter, without a word. I picked it up and found my little ratchet inside. It now had a "Rebuilt" sticker on it. It now has a new reversing lever, and it works fine.

That was certainly a satisfactory warranty "replacement" for me, of course. And better yet, now I didn't have to feel guilty about wasting a perfectly good ratchet body. But this was certainly a different experience than any other situations I have had at Sears.

The young clerk was clearly disgusted with my lack of good tool maintenance. I couldn't blame him, but I was surprised to see it plainly on his face, and hear it in his tone of voice. At other times (or moods) I might have sought out a Sears manager, and suggested that the three of us should have a talk about customer service attitudes. But frankly, I was pretty disappointed myself this time. :mad: The ratchet is a spare, and I didn't even realize that my neighbor had not returned it. At least that young clerk (or someone in the warehouse) knew how to dismantle and reassemble a ratchet.

But I cannot help but wonder if this is a signal of a new era at Sears...
 
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Brandon_Lutz

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I've never had a problem getting tools repaired or replaced at my local sears.

The last time I went, I brought in 4 1/2 teardrop ratchets and 1 1/4 ratchet and all 4 were replaced. I also brought my fathers 3/4 ratchet in and they fixed it on the spot with a new kit.
 

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I think there was something I missed in this whole thread. Anyone care to explain the tape measure thing for me?

Theft?
 

Arne73

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I returned a 1/4" ratchet that was bad out of the box (part of a 194 pc kit). I received a refurbished ratchet as a replacement.
 

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I returned a 1/4" ratchet that was bad out of the box (part of a 194 pc kit). I received a refurbished ratchet as a replacement.

I believe you quoted me this before about their policy. But, given the fact this 1/4 ratchet was new, how do you explain them giving you a used / refurb unit?

I might buy the idea if I came in with a 100 old ratchet that the best I could receive was a used one in working order. But, a new DOA ratchet out of the box, and they pass you over a refurb? :wtf:
 

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The policy is repair or replacement. They replaced with a repaired unit.

That said, the policy is also complete satisfaction - if you bought new, and it was broken as-new, then one would expect to be replaced with new. I certainly would. At the point that they're not immediately volunteering a new, off-the-shelf ratchet, I'd ask for one, and I'd make a point of pointing out the text of the warranty if they gave me any flack.

As it stands, the few times I've had cause to replace something, I've just pulled the new item off the shelf, and taken it up to the counter with my broken item. Zero questions, have a nice day (save for once when they didn't have the ratchet in stock).

(Obviously, I know that others here have reported not having as good of an experience as I've had.)

Forewarned is forearmed. If you've had negative experience, then grab a copy of the warranty, or print this out:

http://consumerist.com/2009/03/sears-clarifies-craftsman-tools-warranty.html

Sears could argue that it's their discretion to replace the tool with a rebuild rather than new, and that's completely true - nothing in the warranty says anything about a new, off-the-shelf replacement. That said, if you're not satisfied with the replacement, utilize the satisfaction clause of the warranty until you're satisfied.

I've received a rebuilt ratchet as a replacement in the past, and the thing was in great shape, and worked perfectly.
 

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I've had problems with returning tools to Sears in the past but since I've been a professional tech they have never given me a hassle. In one week I returned 2 different 10mm 1/4 dr. flex sockets that I blew apart at work with no trouble. I also look for tools at yard sales and flea markets to bring back for new. My friend was even throwing out a whole tool box full of tools when cleaning his garage, I told him I'd take the whole box of his hands for my help in cleaning out his space. I returned about a dozen Craftsman wrenches and drivers for new and recovered another 2 dozen Craftsman wrenches, some of which I have for sale in the classifieds right now. Was also able to salvage part of the tool box which I use at home now. It pays to be frugal! And when I return tools to Sears I ALWAYS find the new replacement off on the shelf and bring it to the counter myself, making it obvious what my expectations are.
 

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Tape measure crackdown makes sense. There's a guy on the mysears.com website (AdamO) who has been talking about this for a while. He's an insider of some sort.

Damn, I will need to go easier on my measures now. No more 20' long dissapearing tricks.
 

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I had a box in my shop for years - every time I had a bad craftsman screwdriver I would throw it in the box. One snowy day this winter I took it to Sears and matched up all the tools for exchange. No fuss or problem. They gave me a sales receipt for over $400.00 . No complaints here!
 
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