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Wamsutta

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Is there any way I can take the quick nut off and replace it with a regular spanner nut?

I watched the YouTube video that explains how the Metabo Quick Change system works. I don't like it. I'd rather have a regular spanner nut.



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The only two things different about the quick nut system from the grinder's side is the two grooves in the spindle, and the fact that the button is reinforced for pushing while spinning. But the spindle threads are the same (save for those two grooves), so a regular nut will work just fine.

I too have to ask what you don't like about the quick nut. Is it that it doesn't spin off as quickly? I find that to be it's best feature. If you're not in the habit of overtightening the spindle nut, the Metabo quick nut won't go flying across the shop, whereas regular nuts can all too easily.
 

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I don't like the idea of pushing the spindle lock while the machine is still turning.
Um, so, don't push it while it's spinning. There, I fixed it.
Seriously, I hardly use the button on mine. Just don't over-tighten the nut, and you won't need a wrench for it.

The special nut is special because of the spring clip that's kind of visible in your first picture. They're only there to keep the nut from flying away if you do happen to push the button while it's spinning. Oh, and if you use a wheel with a thread (or a cup brush or something like that), absolutely do not push that button while it's spinning, because that accessory without the friction spring will shoot off exactly where you don't expect it to aim.
 

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If the Metabo quick nut is the ratcheting type, the nuts are larger and heavier than a regular grinder nut.
I don’t know how frequently it could or would cause an issue, but I can understand wanting to switch it out.
The Fixtec type of toolless grinder nuts with the pop up wing for hand removal seem a simpler better idea.
 

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Seems like a solution to a non problem. I have a box of wrenches that have never been used. I don’t know why I keep them. When I had my fab shop I used to buy angle grinders by the case. The wrenches didn’t get used and I would make them keep at least one guard on the truck in case OSHA showed up.
 

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In the USA 5/8-11 is the standard arbor thread pattern fir angle grinders.
Grinders with metric threaded arbors do exist, and are sold and available in the USA though.
M14 and M10 used yo be most common.
Some German manufacturers like Metabo and Fein used to, and may still, sell the metric threaded grinders as a standard option, since certain accessories may require the metric thread pattern.
Makita used to sell Metric threaded grinders as well.
There were likely other brands that fid as well.
 
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Huh, learned something today. Have a Metabo grinder with the quick nut. I've been treating it like a regular spindle nut this whole time. Wait for the grinder to stop, press and hold the spindle lock, loosen the nut by hand. Reverse the process for the new disk. No issues and the grinder is flat amazing compared to my old Dewalt.
 

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I hand tighten the regular spindle nuts, every now and then it will unscrew the nut when its shut off but it isn't an issue for me and that's usually right after I've installed my chosen media of destruction. Once it hits the work surface it'll snug the nut enough to keep it from backing off but still be able to remove it by hand.
 

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When I first learned of the Metabo setup I was puzzled because it doesn't seem to do much. It's not like it's X-lock.
It gelps eliminate the issue of users losing or misplacing the pin wrench used to remove the standard non-quick-change grinder nuts.
The grinder nuts don’t always have the same hole dimensions or diameter, and the average angle grinder user doesn’t own a set of pin wrenches.
If the grinder wrench falls out of tour pocjet, or gets placed on a bench full of random tools or other items, a lot of time can get wasted trying to find the wrench when you need to switch out accessories.
Multiple manufacturers were actually offering adjustable pin wrenches meant for angle grinder users who lost or were worried they might misplace the grinder nut wrench.

Jacobs at one point offered a couple ratcheting grinder nuts, that could be removed without tools, and my understanding, is that one of these designs used to be used by Metabo, maybe before the current system, although with modifications to prevent use on other manufacturers grinders.
Jacobs has long since stopped offering these.

The Fixtec grinder nut offered by Milwaukee, is a simpler more compact design than the Jacobs option.
I think from patents or trademarks I looked ip, it may have originated with a manufacturer in Taiwan?
The pop ip handle on the nut allows the use of an adjustable wrench in a pinch, and there are holes for a pin wrench, so it’s likely a better option.

Fein used to offer their own toolless flange nut, but it was proprietary, and the grinders didn’t have a threaded arbor, so it was eventually dropped.
It was also too complex.
 

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The Fixtec type of toolless grinder nuts with the pop up wing for hand removal seem a simpler better idea.
It seems like a good idea but the one I use on my cordless grinder self-tightens during use and requires pliers to remove.
 

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Huh, learned something today. Have a Metabo grinder with the quick nut. I've been treating it like a regular spindle nut this whole time. Wait for the grinder to stop, press and hold the spindle lock, loosen the nut by hand. Reverse the process for the new disk. No issues and the grinder is flat amazing compared to my old Dewalt.

Same, any grinder I ever used I just hand spin-on the nut, then tighten by pulling on the "disc". Untighten by again pulling on the "disc". Never had it fly off. And I do the same on the Metabo with the "quick" nut.

Only time I use a wrench is on my big old 2.5 kW Bosch grinder, but that one is scary. Normal one hand grinders I always just snug it up by hand.


Here in Europe all grinders I've seen seem to have used the M14 thread. I thought it's the global standard.
 

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Hand tighten everything except wire wheels (pokey)

Didn't understand this thread
He doesn’t think the engineers designed the grinder correctly and doesn’t want to use it as designed.

The Metabo quick feature is DESIGNED to use the disc’s momentum to loosen the disc by pressing the spindle lock button as the disc is almost done spinning. That’s how it’s meant to be used, but don’t worry, OP knows more than the engineers at Metabo.

I swear OP just posts threads like this because he likes to troll and watch the chaos ensue.
 

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I bought two new angle grinders in 2003, the third in 2008, they came with M14 aeg fixtec nuts and one nut for the 18V machine. I have never used pliers or a key with these
 

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You can also press the spindle lock on ANY grinder winding down and it performs almost the same...

Metabo just designed it for longevity likely
 
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