Metabo Vac ASR 35 HEPA -- from CPO

[Vinko]

UPDATE: Metabo Vac ASR 35 HEPA via CPO (Hidden Damage now apparent!)

[NOTE: I've been a member here for almost 8 years and I hope I've given no reason for those to think I'm dishonest at all. Below is a damaged vac I received from Metabo -- at first glance it was OK until I went to start to use it -- moral of story (and I should know this by now): thoroughly inspect at time of delivery. Sometimes if you've got so many jobs that's hard to do). Hopefully CPO will make good!]

Picked up a Metabo ASR 35 with HEPA filtration from Metabo CPO (via their amazon store). Like the last thing I got from Metabo CPO it came a little thrashed. Or at least I've got a broken plastic piece (pictured) though I can't tell from where on the unit it is from or if it's even from that unit. [Note: I thought it could be just a "phantom" piece from some die-cast material!]

I'll update this thread as I use the vacuum for various kinds of work. We've got Metabo grinders, sanders and drills in our shop and work with wood and metal. Mainly will use for maintenance projects and improvements.

I looked at the Fein and the Festool and decided to go the Metabo. A lot of discussions on the 'net about these units and who makes for whom.

Apparently, I can use Bosch vac (depending upon the year/model) accessories for the Metabo. If anyone has a good inexpensive source for different fittings + the bags, please share.

Don't know if all my Metabo tools are compatible with the connectors, but I'll find out.

 

[Vinko]

Well, went to hook up the hose and I didn't even notice it (the packaging/boxing was fine).

But I noticed something was wrong when I lifted off the top housing. And then the damage was more apparent!

I couldn't hook up the hose -- because the housing around which the hose inserts is cracked almost all away around. What a disappointment. I had all my Metabo sanders, and grinders ready to use for a job at the home this weekend, and it was a no good without the vac

A real bummer. I bought via CPO on Amazon.com so I've put in a request for a return/refund. I would've taken the option of replacement but it wasn't there. I'll know in 48 hours whether they'll accept my return. I hope so. This was a significant investment for me.

 

[rice rocket]

Sorry to hear about the shipping damage. My box came pretty beat-to-hell as well (and soaked, thanks UPS), but everything survived.

CPO is really good, you should have zero troubles, I'd get on the phone with them and see if they'll ship you another at the same price.


Oh, they might be able to just ship you the tub, I'm not sure how Metabo is stocking parts in the US. Might be worth giving them a call as well.

 

[Vinko]

Sorry to hear about the shipping damage. My box came pretty beat-to-hell as well (and soaked, thanks UPS), but everything survived.

Thanks Rice Rocket. The box itself was in fairly good condition -- I've gotten a few CPO Metabo (some via amazon in the past) tool boxes (to store grinders 7.5 and 4.5) and those were slightly dented but I took them. I filed a request for return via Amazon so we'll see what happens. It was just past the 30 day mark by a day or two. We'll see what happens -- perhaps worth giving a call as you suggest.

CPO is really good, you should have zero troubles, I'd get on the phone with them and see if they'll ship you another at the same price.


Oh, they might be able to just ship you the tub, I'm not sure how Metabo is stocking parts in the US. Might be worth giving them a call as well.

 

[Monte]

nice Metabo vac ! Sad to see the damage though ! Did they send the vac just in a box without filling ??

 

[Vinko]

nice Metabo vac ! Sad to see the damage though ! Did they send the vac just in a box without filling ??

No -- what was interesting was that it appeared to be packed relatively well. It had those molded styrofoam inserts within the main box. But I probably would've boxed that box because I can see where that box is great if you're palletizing say four vacs to a pallet. But if the thing gets hit right, I can see where the trauma would crack the thing.

 

[Vinko]

Got an immediate e-mail from Metabo CPO to call them. I did and they've sent a return label. I'm doing an exchange since I think the price was pretty good and they're currently out of stock. Should have more sometime in November.

Nice one on CPO!

I'm in the market for another vac in addition to the Metabo replacement I'll get. The Metabo will be for a lot of my tools. I'm looking for a good vac (Nifilsk sp?) or something to clean up greasy chips and whatnot from a couple of metal cutting saws. Something that I can use exclusively for that. Maybe I'll post on the Tools from the Old World thread.

 

[Monte]

good to hear that everything works out for you ! And that you gave Metabo a second chance

 

[Vinko]

good to hear that everything works out for you ! And that you gave Metabo a second chance

Of course. Still down for Metabo! Shipping accidents happen. One of the inconveniences that one must endure when one takes advantage of another forum of convenience: which is, of course, door to door shipping and (sometimes) less expensive prices. Now if I can just find more Metabo cases -- I'd love to have Systainers (or the like) that would allow a perfect fit for a few of the sanders I have. I can see getting obsessive about the the Systainers.

The Metabo vac looked like the best value for the money -- though I have to say I just noticed the price of the Bosch made by the same outfit (at least at first glance), was about $50 or $75 less (IIRC). I wonder if these are just straight rebadging or if there are any differences in Metabo or Bosch specs. Rice Rocket was kind enough to let me know that Cripe had a good deal on a Bosch hose that would fit the Metabo -- so I ordered (And received) that already as well. Probably should've gotten an extra, but I didn't want to get greedy.

 

[rice rocket]

I have two of those Bosch 19mm hoses. They're great for sanders and such where you can't even use full suction anyways, way lighter and more manueverable than the 27/35mm hoses.

Along w/ the few I've gotten with tools, I have imported a bunch of these Metalocs. You can get 'em for 1/2 of the price of systainers, even after paying shipping. Festool USA's pricing on Systainers is straight up gouging.

You can import Systainers, if you want to stick w/ them, for still much cheaper than what you can buy them here for. They all place nice with each other. The new (Metabo designed) Metaloc is much sturdier though.

 

[Vinko]

Oh man, Rice -- that's some great gear there. Thanks for taking those pics. That's giving me some ideas. I wouldn't mind getting a couple sets -- one for sanders and some drills, the other for the metal working tools. Can you share where you got them? Online? Via another source?

 

[Monte]

Of course. Still down for Metabo! Shipping accidents happen. One of the inconveniences that one must endure when one takes advantage of another forum of convenience: which is, of course, door to door shipping and (sometimes) less expensive prices. Now if I can just find more Metabo cases -- I'd love to have Systainers (or the like) that would allow a perfect fit for a few of the sanders I have. I can see getting obsessive about the the Systainers..

Do you have a Metabo dealer where you live ? Sometimes dealers match internet prices...
......can´t find Metalocs for sale online...

The Metabo vac looked like the best value for the money -- though I have to say I just noticed the price of the Bosch made by the same outfit (at least at first glance), was about $50 or $75 less (IIRC). I wonder if these are just straight rebadging or if there are any differences in Metabo or Bosch specs. Rice Rocket was kind enough to let me know that Cripe had a good deal on a Bosch hose that would fit the Metabo -- so I ordered (And received) that already as well. Probably should've gotten an extra, but I didn't want to get greedy.

the corded Bosch vacuums except the 3931B-SPB are made by Karcher in Italy for Bosch. The 3931B-SPB is made by Starmix in Germany.

 

[rice rocket]

Oh man, Rice -- that's some great gear there. Thanks for taking those pics. That's giving me some ideas. I wouldn't mind getting a couple sets -- one for sanders and some drills, the other for the metal working tools. Can you share where you got them? Online? Via another source?

Pretty sure the Metalocs aren't distributed here, but I could be wrong.

I initially had someone drag some home for me, but I started importing them myself now on amazon.de and on Toolstop.co.uk.

Both are super easy, all duties and shipping fees paid up front, amazon.de will even grab your shipping/billing info from your US account. To make it worth the shipping fees, you usually want to pick up a few at a time, or other tools as well.


The ones w/ the metal overcenter latch are the new ones, if I wasn't clear earlier. They are ABS plastic like the Systainers, but they have a lip built into the lid, that allows the tub portion to slot into, whereas on the Systainers, the lid just sort of butts up against the tub, which means it doesn't hold it's dimensions well (especially if you coil up a hose and throw them in, it'll want to stretch the tub out). You can't open mid-stack like you would be able to a T-Loc, but honestly I only even opened the second or third one anyways from the top of the T-Loc stacks before unstacking, because the hinge doesn't seem to like the stress.

 

[Vinko]

Do you have a Metabo dealer where you live ? Sometimes dealers match internet prices...
......can´t find Metalocs for sale online...

We have a few Metabo dealers but they only seem to have grinders (mostly welding supply) -- I asked one about ordering the vac but they weren't interested in doing it. Most of those shops seem to cater to guy who are buying Makita or just a grinder equivalent to those found Home Deport market (having said that, I got a couple of great tools at HD -- a Hilti jigsaw and a drill when they were closing them out -- apparently Hiliti couldn't break in to that market and were replaced by Milwaukee).

the corded Bosch vacuums except the 3931B-SPB are made by Karcher in Italy for Bosch. The 3931B-SPB is made by Starmix in Germany.

Thanks. I'm finding all kinds of good Bosch and Metabo goodness (including vacs) on sites in the UK and Germany.

 

[Vinko]

Pretty sure the Metalocs aren't distributed here, but I could be wrong.

I initially had someone drag some home for me, but I started importing them myself now on amazon.de and on Toolstop.co.uk.

Both are super easy, all duties and shipping fees paid up front, amazon.de will even grab your shipping/billing info from your US account. To make it worth the shipping fees, you usually want to pick up a few at a time, or other tools as well.

Great. Thanks. I'm growing the amazon.de site -- I'll also check out Toolstop.co.UK just to compare. Any sellers on amazon.de that you favor? Do you recall what were shipping charges like (relatively speaking) for a 3-4 of them from DE to USA?

The ones w/ the metal overcenter latch are the new ones, if I wasn't clear earlier. They are ABS plastic like the Systainers, but they have a lip built into the lid, that allows the tub portion to slot into, whereas on the Systainers, the lid just sort of butts up against the tub, which means it doesn't hold it's dimensions well (especially if you coil up a hose and throw them in, it'll want to stretch the tub out). You can't open mid-stack like you would be able to a T-Loc, but honestly I only even opened the second or third one anyways from the top of the T-Loc stacks before unstacking, because the hinge doesn't seem to like the stress.

Great info. I recall there being discussions here in the past on T-Loc v Systainer v something else (?) (how does Tanos fit in)? But your photos and descriptions above put it into better perspective. I'll have to translate a few things on the Amazon.de site -- but I'm seeing all kinds of stuff that'd be useful for me. I've got the 7 and 4.5 grinders in metal metabo boxes and that's fine. Though I do wonder if they make something in a T-Loc large (wide) enough for the 7 or 9" Metabo grinders and accessories?

Anyway, I see a few things with padding and cut-outs. Don't know if those are for specific models but I'd love some for my many drills and impact guns and the few sanders.

I looked into getting a Fein case for my MultiMaster via toolnut in the USA. They had the case but not the cut-out [my MM came in a nylon bag :-( ] -- I've got to put in a call to USA HQ to see if it's available here. If not, maybe just the case (and MM cutouts -- if available) from amazon.de or elsewhere too. Maybe even toolstop.co.uk can special order it.

Anyway good info. When I can sort out exactly what I need I'd love to put an order in for a 4 or 5 cases and maybe some other good stuff.

They've got (rebranded?) Metabo consumables that look pretty good too. At really good prices. Envious of the Europeans for being able to get those prices on nicely packed/housed bits and whatnot.

It looks like they make the old and new version (i.e. with red closure and metal closure) that will fit the 450 Turbo sander.

Probably the best thing to do I'd guess is to go with those listings that indicate:

Verkauf und Versand durch Amazon

So that one is sure one is shipping all with the same "seller" (in this case Amazon)

I'm attaching one of the case listings that have the foam but it may take me a while to puzzle through what's acceptable for what.

 

[rice rocket]

So even though some are pictured as T-Locs, they're all shipping as the metal overcenter Metabo-designed models now. And you want to filter on the ones that are AmazonGlobal eligible. Also, the price will go down on each item once you hit the final checkout, because VAT is included in the prices.

http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B008Z9VLS8/
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B008Z9VLRY/
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00B0N2YI2/

I usually skip the ones w/ the foam because they're 20 EUR more than without, which adds up quite quickly. They are pull-and-pluck type foams though, so you can modify it to the general shape of the tool(s). You can also grab some Fastcap Kaizen foam to DIY, two sheets from Rockler is $46 and ships free, and will do quite a few boxes.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007J2JJYK/?tag=atomicindus08-20



Tanos is a subsidiary of the same parent company as Festool (https://www.festool-group.com/); they spun it off so they could sell to other tool manufacturers that compete in the same tool-space as Festool.

 

[Vinko]

Hey guys:

I've got stymied by the damn bags for the Metabo. They're unlike the Ridgid and others I'm used to. It looks like they aren't fully closed bags (which I guess would make sense for HEPA filtration) -- but open on one side [???] -- this doesn't look right. There is a red zip-type tie attached, but you can't get full closure for the dust this way can you?

Not sure -- maybe I've just installed wrong and it's blindingly obvious to everyone else. If so, would you mind commenting? As it is, I don't see how you can "secure" the bag so it captures the saw dust without sort of using the cover to keep it "open" for the dust -- once you've connected to the nozzle. Again, I might just be missing the obvious

Also -- replacements of the Metabo brand might get a little expensive so if there are equivalents in other makes (Bosch, Porter Cable?) please let me know.

Thanks

 

[Monte]

the regular paper filter bags should be fully closed. The PE bags are open. Maybe the bag was not properly attached to the inlet ?:
https://www.metabo-service.com/manuals/17027089_42_0811_24_A5_en_es_ ASR 35 AutoClean NAFTA.pdf

 

[Vinko]

Thanks Monte. So helpful (As always) -- Just picked up some paper bags (Bosch brand) that should fit via Amazon (5 for $40). Porter Cable made same model, but I didn't see one branded from them for any cheaper.

These are "dust" bags.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AV7AW/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Should work for saw dust I think.

Though they also have 3 "heavy duty bags" for "wet or dry material" at $58

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0065IDFTE/?tag=atomicindus08-20



Why would the PE bags be "open" --- they're used for concrete and the like, right?

I'll check manual at link -- though I did read the manual that came with it and there was no explanation.

Here's the Bosch plastic bag (looks to be about same as Metabo). Not sure if it's "open" or not. But looks the same except for the (apparent?) "seam" at top:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0065IDFTE/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[Vinko]

Just an update: this vac. has been great for 2 years.

I'm looking for the wands/attachments/nozzles. I'd appreciate hearing what part no's you have and source you purchased from.

I don't see them available in the USA, but maybe the equivalent Bosch or Porter Cable will work? Has anyone tried? I've bought a few adapters on amazon and those work well with various Metabo sanders.

 

[Vinko]

Just an update: found a place to in USA to get all accessories for this vac (Metabo brand -- though I assume they'll fit others that are rebranded same OEM). Including connectors, etc.

Working like a charm with sanding wood and grinding concrete.
And the vac itself is cleaning up well with wands, nozzles, etc.

As soon as I get a minute, I'll post part numbers, photos, and source (they were a regional stone masonry site on East coast). Website wasn't sophisticated but the people are very knowledgeable and shipped quickly and the prices were reasonable.

What I'd like to find now (If available) is the Systainer that's meant to hold all these accessories because it'd be good to have more organization to cut down on job time.

 

[timdgsr]

Just an update: found a place to in USA to get all accessories for this vac (Metabo brand -- though I assume they'll fit others that are rebranded same OEM). Including connectors, etc.

Working like a charm with sanding wood and grinding concrete.
And the vac itself is cleaning up well with wands, nozzles, etc.

As soon as I get a minute, I'll post part numbers, photos, and source (they were a regional stone masonry site on East coast). Website wasn't sophisticated but the people are very knowledgeable and shipped quickly and the prices were reasonable.

What I'd like to find now (If available) is the Systainer that's meant to hold all these accessories because it'd be good to have more organization to cut down on job time.

Any chance you can share the source for attachments and part numbers?

I’ve been searching for a source in the US and haven’t had great luck yet.

 

[Vinko]

Sorry I know this is 6 years later. I'll try to hunt down with part no's.

I know a few things I found on Amazon of all places, at some point. But let me dig out anything I can find. I think I still have some stuff in the bags with the part no's.