Metal Building with Stucco?

[Impala_Eddie]

Hello,

So I've been dealing with the city about an all metal building in my backyard due to zoning. I'd like to do an all metal building but they don't want the "metal look"......They mentioned if it was covered in stucco it would pass the planning department.....Does anyone know if this can be done or if its worth the hassle? The metal building a 1/4 the price of having a stick building done; in the same dimensions 25x30x12.

Thank you in advance.... I'll attach the type of building I'm looking to do.

 

[mcj115]

Could you do a wood exterior and use T1-11?

 

[isb cornbinder]

My garage met the "look". I had vinyl siding installed. The shop matches the house.

 

[Impala_Eddie]

Could you do a wood exterior and use T1-11?

I suppose I could, the problem is they want engineered plans of the building that I'm buying. I believe if i replaced the metal siding to T1-11 then it wouldn't be to engineered specs. I spoke to the building company and they said the engineers didn't support diverting from their metal siding.

My garage met the "look". I had vinyl siding installed. The shop matches the house.

Do you have a photo of this? Also did you attach the vinyl siding over the metal siding? or how was it done?

 

[protegeV]

Only one option, move.

 

[Glory]

They sell metal panels that look like stucco
https://www.rigidbuilding.com/steel-buildings-product-info/specialty-panels/

 

[Impala_Eddie]

Only one option, move.

hahah....i just put a pool in, no moving!

 

[Impala_Eddie]

They sell metal panels that look like stucco

Ive been looking, do you know by chance who makes them?

 

[Hosejockey61]

You think metal is expensive, price out stucco! I had to do mine to match the house (glad I did) but it was expensive.

 

[BillK]

Just curious, what is the cost of the metal building ?

 

[protegeV]

hahah....i just put a pool in, no moving!

Now I know why you need to save money on the shop. Nice pool!!!

 

[Impala_Eddie]

Just curious, what is the cost of the metal building ?

So for a 24x30x12 fully enclosed with a 10x8 roll up door and a standard pedestrian door is about $10,000 installed. I'll get my slab and electrical done for another $5000, so i'll be in about $15,000, not including if I need to stucco the outside. I got quoted for a stick building stucco, and full interior drywall, electrical, slab, about $35,000

Now I know why you need to save money on the shop. Nice pool!!!

LOL, yeah that **** broke me....

 

[readhead]

Talk to a stucco contractor. I’ve seen stucco applied with K lath over the metal and then a scratch, brown and color coat. You just have to plan the trim parts a little differently. The building is still the same engineering wise with a different finish. I suppose you could use foam also between the ribs and bridge the ribs with mesh or another layer of foam.

Are we talking red iron or tube steel? Red iron doesn’t rely on the cover for shear while tube steel does. Could make a difference to the building department.

 

[Impala_Eddie]

Talk to a stucco contractor. I’ve seen stucco applied with K lath over the metal and then a scratch, brown and color coat. You just have to plan the trim parts a little differently. The building is still the same engineering wise with a different finish. I suppose you could use foam also between the ribs and bridge the ribs with mesh or another layer of foam.

Are we talking red iron or tube steel? Red iron doesn’t rely on the cover for shear while tube steel does. Could make a difference to the building department.

Believe tube steel n

 

[CraigStu]

Does dryvit(spelling?) still exist. I remember a repair to the outside of a building I worked in 30 yrs ago. The stuff was basically 1 inch thick foam board w/ a thick paint or thin cement like compound that was slathered on with a tool like a drywall mud spreader. Whether it was the way the compound was made or something w/ the tool I am not sure, but it ended up looking like stucco and once dry, was painted.

 

[readhead]

Synthetic stucco is still around in various forms.

 

[GMCGarage]

Hello,

So I've been dealing with the city about an all metal building in my backyard due to zoning. I'd like to do an all metal building but they don't want the "metal look"......They mentioned if it was covered in stucco it would pass the planning department.....Does anyone know if this can be done or if its worth the hassle? The metal building a 1/4 the price of having a stick building done; in the same dimensions 25x30x12.

Thank you in advance.... I'll attach the type of building I'm looking to do.

Its great they dont want that look, but what do the zoning rules actually allow? Is it up to them to decide on every finish?? Will the next one they dont like the 'wood look'??

 

[ddawg16]

Unless you can find something flexible and synthetic, I don't think you want to put stucco on top of that steel.

Steel moves with heat....you live in a area that sees some pretty drastic temp changes.

Besides the fact steel buildings make your place look like a trailer trash park, I don't think they are really any cheaper over stick built.

One of your issues is going to be finishing the inside. A stick built garage is going to be a lot easier to insulate and finish.

And....I think you a little off on $5000 for the slab. You are looking at about 12 yards of concrete not including any apron. Material alone is over $2000. Site prep...pour....finish...I think you are more in the $6k range....

Remember, once the slab is in....you are not going to be able to change it. You don't want to cheapest guy.

I personally would do stick.

 

[Toomanytools?]

Its great they dont want that look, but what do the zoning rules actually allow? Is it up to them to decide on every finish?? Will the next one they dont like the 'wood look'??

I'm with this "they don't want" but what is allowed is there a written covenant or HOA rule?
If you are looking at putting Dryvit or Stucco on over the corrugated metal panels not sure that will work. The metal will expand/contract at a different rate then the stucco. You would need to sheath the building in ply or OSB apply EPS panels, wire and then the Dryvit.
I would see what options you have with building department, could you do the most visible side(s) or a wainscotting to match house then upper in a siding.
You can "Stucco" a pole building not sure if your asking stucco over metal.

 

[GMCGarage]

I'm with this "they don't want" but what is allowed is there a written covenant or HOA rule?
If you are looking at putting Dryvit or Stucco on over the corrugated metal panels not sure that will work. The metal will expand/contract at a different rate then the stucco. You would need to sheath the building in ply or OSB apply EPS panels, wire and then the Dryvit.
I would see what options you have with building department, could you do the most visible side(s) or a wainscotting to match house then upper in a siding.
You can "Stucco" a pole building not sure if your asking stucco over metal.

Yes, Find out what is allowed, and then do a cost analysis. dont be bullied.

 

[Impala_Eddie]

Unless you can find something flexible and synthetic, I don't think you want to put stucco on top of that steel.

Steel moves with heat....you live in a area that sees some pretty drastic temp changes.

Besides the fact steel buildings make your place look like a trailer trash park, I don't think they are really any cheaper over stick built.

One of your issues is going to be finishing the inside. A stick built garage is going to be a lot easier to insulate and finish.

And....I think you a little off on $5000 for the slab. You are looking at about 12 yards of concrete not including any apron. Material alone is over $2000. Site prep...pour....finish...I think you are more in the $6k range....

Remember, once the slab is in....you are not going to be able to change it. You don't want to cheapest guy.

I personally would do stick.

LOL did you really correct my estimate of 5k to 6k? Man i can see if i was off by 3-5k. Anyway; to correct you. The guy who did my pool is going to do my concrete and electrical. His words were “I will do it for about 5k and a 12 pack of Modelos”

 

[BFHgarage]

Do you have to do all four sides, or just the side that faces the street? Sometimes they are only concerned about the view from the street.

 

[Impala_Eddie]

Do you have to do all four sides, or just the side that faces the street? Sometimes they are only concerned about the view from the street.

The way they presented it to me was that it couldn’t be all metal or at least look like a metal building. I get it but it would be painted the same color as my house and it wouldn’t looks like a trailer park

 

[Impala_Eddie]

I think I’ll push to do a stick building. I’m sure if i sub it out; it may be cheaper than hiring someone do it all. I have close family that does roofing and electrical.

 

[TTMotorsports]

A shop here had some tyvek stuff laid on the steel sheet. Some 1inch thick foam board stuff attached to building. Then stucco blown directly onto that. Not sure what exactly they used but that's how they did it here in phoenix

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[Impala_Eddie]

A shop here had some tyvek stuff laid on the steel sheet. Some 1inch thick foam board stuff attached to building. Then stucco blown directly onto that. Not sure what exactly they used but that's how they did it here in phoenix

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Thank you. I’ll see about that.

 

[ddawg16]

LOL did you really correct my estimate of 5k to 6k? Man i can see if i was off by 3-5k. Anyway; to correct you. The guy who did my pool is going to do my concrete and electrical. His words were “I will do it for about 5k and a 12 pack of Modelos”

If he does a good job with the pool......then, yea....it sounds like the guy is kinda hungry....but that is ok....if he does good work.

I'm guessing this is fill in work until things pick up again.....and that is quite OK

And if you are happy.....be sure to spread his info around to people in your area.....

 

[Impala_Eddie]

If he does a good job with the pool......then, yea....it sounds like the guy is kinda hungry....but that is ok....if he does good work.

I'm guessing this is fill in work until things pick up again.....and that is quite OK

And if you are happy.....be sure to spread his info around to people in your area.....

Not sure if saw the photo of my pool. But yes he does great work. In fact; after my pool was complete; 7 buddies from work got pools from him. He stays busy; but he’s helping me out since I got him a lot of work. Word has been spread my guy!

 

[fiaroadster]

Acrylic paints with very high texture that looks like stucco could be used. Check with your local paint store.
But if it is the pleated look of metal building that is objectionable, then a different metal profile would be needed.
I have seen buildings done this way and I had touch the surface to verify what it was.

 

[readhead]

Another option would be to add girts and sheet with OSB then proceed with stucco like any other building.

 

[38Chevy454]

The main advantage to the steel bldg is that the walls are finished without any additional materials or labor. If you have to add an exterior finish, you lose much of that cost savings. I think stick built will become much closer in cost once you start adding the exterior finishing materials and labor to a metal bldg.

 

[Impala_Eddie]

The main advantage to the steel bldg is that the walls are finished without any additional materials or labor. If you have to add an exterior finish, you lose much of that cost savings. I think stick built will become much closer in cost once you start adding the exterior finishing materials and labor to a metal bldg.

Yes good point. I did some research and stucco flex they say can be applied right over the metal siding. I’m thinking it doesn’t need to be flat but if there’s texture to the metal that may suffice. If not I’ll bite the bullet and do a stick building

 

[Impala_Eddie]

Anyone familiar with stucco flex ?

 

[Monza Harry]

Eddie, can a flat steel skin be used for the out side? Check with the engineering/building supplier, that would simplify some finishing options. For instance you could use some bed liner material around the bottom for both protection and texture, [creativity will be required for the upper] or go to styro-insulation and use the stucco (or your other approved/desired) finishes. If you do the styro foam it will add both a barrier for both heating and cooling cost reductions, [ROI will be in years maybe decades] and will allow for a multitude of finishes. Just throwing out some idea's for consideration, [or fertilizer... I mean inspiration for better idea's] Harry

 

[NUTTSGT]

Would they let you do something like a stone wainscoting and the top be metal siding ?

 

[Impala_Eddie]

Eddie, can a flat steel skin be used for the out side? Check with the engineering/building supplier, that would simplify some finishing options. For instance you could use some bed liner material around the bottom for both protection and texture, [creativity will be required for the upper] or go to styro-insulation and use the stucco (or your other approved/desired) finishes. If you do the styro foam it will add both a barrier for both heating and cooling cost reductions, [ROI will be in years maybe decades] and will allow for a multitude of finishes. Just throwing out some idea's for consideration, [or fertilizer... I mean inspiration for better idea's] Harry

Thank you harry. Ill look into that

 

[Impala_Eddie]

Would they let you do something like a stone wainscoting and the top be metal siding ?

I’m going to ask them on Tuesday. Thanks

 

[bgrant]

How about metal and then use these panels?

Santa Fe panels by Metl span

 

[mcbane]

Did the metal building company say stucco of any kind would be ok? Riverside can experience serious earthquakes and metal buildings are often designed to have huge deflections under seismic loads, as much as 1:40. So the two concerns with stucco would be 1) how will all of that weight impact the seismic design of the structure, and 2) how will the stucco remain attached and unbroken during a quake?

 

[welder57]

You need to put foam board on the outside of the panels (Make sure the rake trim & door trim will lap over the foam board or add new trim @ doors and windows)(also reversed run panel too) and add stray on stucco to the foam boards. Are you doing one end or all around? IF all around, make sure the manufacture of the steel building knows this ahead of time so the roof panels and gutter stick out enough to clear the foam boards and so the gutters can be attach to after, also the rake trim will need to be wider to lap over the foam boards. Extra time for all this, due to getting a contractor to work with you on doing this..