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tarbellb

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No the 14" Rage 2 is not multipurpose, it's built specific for metal, just like the abrasive saw and it is heavy as well... the problem is that when new, it cuts great, machine cut edges... after a 100 cuts, it's miss by about 1/8 to 1/16 inch which is a pisser. The blade seems to wear out faster I am on my third one now, even when not forcing it down, letting the blade spin up to speed before going for the cut.... I tried to adjust the fence, it cures the slant for about 10 cuts then goes back to 1/8 1/16 off. I remember calling the company other than few bells and whistles the base is almost the same... the motor is a lot better between the EVO and the Rage 2... same company same saw I was told. But you are right might be because of the Consumer product vs Industrial product line.

Not. Even. Close. Its called the "Rage 2 Multi-Purpose Chop Saw"!

You can clearly see the differences between the two. The Rage 2 is stamped steel, **** fence, less material all around. You are getting bad cuts because its unstable, which also leads to the blade wearing out even faster than normal. Any vibration will quickly ruin a carbide blade spinning at 1500rpms through steel.

I have used almost all of these dry cuts, the Dewalt cuts nice for a while but quickly wears/breaks.

The same principle applies to nearly every stationary tool, heavier=stability=accuracy.
 
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Not. Even. Close. Its called the "Rage 2 Multi-Purpose Chop Saw"!

You can clearly see the differences between the two. The Rage 2 is stamped steel, **** fence, less material all around. You are getting bad cuts because its unstable, which also leads to the blade wearing out even faster than normal. Any vibration will quickly ruin a carbide blade spinning at 1500rpms through steel.

I have used almost all of these dry cuts, the Dewalt cuts nice for a while but quickly wears/breaks.

The same principle applies to nearly every stationary tool, heavier=stability=accuracy.


hmmm mine is one of the first gen Rage 2.... pretty sure it is cast will double check when warmer.. but yes **** fence **** clamp.... it is heavy though.


Have you tried the MK Morse ? how is that compare to the Dewalt?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000IHXOKI/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Hmmm. I just got the 14" NXT blade for the Rage2... now I might just save it from it's doom..


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000IHXOKI/?tag=atomicindus08-20
 

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I have the first gen Rage 2, it's nicer than the new ones but still not great. Got the Dewalt and I like it a lot better. Fence design is great, and the reviews match. Given the minimal price difference, I might have gone with the Fein Slugger though.
 

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Have you tried the MK Morse ? how is that compare to the Dewalt?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000IHXOKI/?tag=atomicindus08-20

I havent tried the MK Morse, but I know Strouty? gave it a excellent review. I could see how those blade stabilizers would improve cut quality. The rest of the components on these machines are all very basic and if done well can yield some excellent cuts.

Im getting ready to post up my new upgrade..... starts with cold ends with saw.
 

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I have one of the older Rage saws with the cast base and it is an awesome saw. It came with the multi use orange blade and I used it until it got dull and replaced it with a metal specific blade that cut smoother.

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I havent tried the MK Morse, but I know Strouty? gave it a excellent review. I could see how those blade stabilizers would improve cut quality. The rest of the components on these machines are all very basic and if done well can yield some excellent cuts.

Im getting ready to post up my new upgrade..... starts with cold ends with saw.

I have the MK Morse, excellent.
 

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i would just pony up for a cold saw. about 2yr ago i got the fein slugger and its been worth every penny. ive cut alot of different stuff with it and still on original blade. theres a few chipped teeth because i got careless but still cuts fine. they chew up 1/4" plate (on edge) like hot butter. i may have even cut 3/4" plate at one time or another. pipes. angle iron. plate. hell i cut everything with it. also they dont make a bunch of dust and almost no burrs on the cut edge
 

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i would just pony up for a cold saw. about 2yr ago i got the fein slugger and its been worth every penny. ive cut alot of different stuff with it and still on original blade. theres a few chipped teeth because i got careless but still cuts fine. they chew up 1/4" plate (on edge) like hot butter. i may have even cut 3/4" plate at one time or another. pipes. angle iron. plate. hell i cut everything with it. also they dont make a bunch of dust and almost no burrs on the cut edge
We keep using the term cold saw, but I don't think we really mean cold saw (like a Scotchman). We mean "dry cut saw" which is basically a torquier, slower spinning chop saw that takes a TCT blade. The difference in cost is there, but it's not huge. We're talking a hundred ish vs a few hundred ish dollars. And like many have said, there is a night and day difference in performance.

With that said, I can't recommend an abrasive saw.
 

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actually i think its a metal cutting saw. thats what fein refers to it anyways. not sure why i called it a cold saw ,my apologies.
 
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After 13 years my chop-saw is dying and I am in search of an new one. I ruled out the cold-cut saws as being too pricey. Considering only the abrasive ones, what brand did you folks have had good luck with? I am not brand loyal, but have a certain fondness for Ridgid tools. As far as what I need to cut? I dabble in some basic fabricating having made several trailers, a logging winch and a large number of other smaller projects. So the saw would not get used much by professional standards. Please share your experiences to help me decide which one to buy.
Get a used dry cut saw (your 'cold-cut' saying) and you will never go back to an abrasive one again, at least I didn't.

I found a used Makita for $150 that needed a few parts, $40 later and some time it's working close to new.
 

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Better yet, buy a band saw.

Yup, that's coming from the same guy who promoted Dry Cut saws for years on this forum.

Band saws are (much) cheaper to run, no hot chips or sparks, clean cuts, quiet, and easy too work on.

There's very few use cases where a Dry Cut is a better alternative, mostly speed production environments.
 

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before i got a dry metal saw i looked into bandsaws. once i realized how much slower the bandsaw is ,i wanted no part of it. if i had the space for those stand up bandsaws with a table like a drill press i wouldnt mind getting one in addition to the dry saw but unfortunatly i dont have the space
 

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Better yet, buy a band saw.
Great point Tarbellb,
I worked at a shop with a water cooled band saw and love it! Way better than a dry cut saw.

I bought a dry cut saw as I didn't have space for a water cooled band saw. Plus I don't use it that much...
 

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After 13 years my chop-saw is dying and I am in search of an new one. I ruled out the cold-cut saws as being too pricey. Considering only the abrasive ones, what brand did you folks have had good luck with? I am not brand loyal, but have a certain fondness for Ridgid tools. As far as what I need to cut? I dabble in some basic fabricating having made several trailers, a logging winch and a large number of other smaller projects. So the saw would not get used much by professional standards. Please share your experiences to help me decide which one to buy.

I have used quite a few abrasive cut-off saws (or what I would call a hot-saw) and several cold-saws all in production applications. Hot-saws typically low production and cold-saws in high production applications.

I have never used what we're (apparently) calling the dry-cut saws here so I cannot speak to those.

The consumer grade hot-saws are pretty much (in my experience) interchangeable in that spending more does not generally get you more. To be accurate and repeatable, they all (again, in my experience) must be fixtured. But for everyday stuff they are fine. They are messy and the burrs can be rugged. We treated them as consumables, because while you can usually replace the brushes, by the time you had to the rest of the saw was worn out. We built fixtures we could just weld them into and cut them out of.

Cold saws are typically safer, cleaner, more accurate, provide a burr-free cut, blades last forever and the saws last years in heavy daily production. The last Doringer I bought was over twenty years old and still in daily production when I retired a few years ago. Most everything about the cold-saw is better than a hot-saw except for price and portability.

For cutting angle, channel and smaller bar-stock, pretty tough to beat an iron-worker.

If I were going to buy a new:
Hot-saw: I would just buy something cheap
Cold-saw: I would buy a Doringer
Horizontal band-saw: I would buy a Bomar
Iron Worker: I would buy an Edwards
 

tarbellb

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After 13 years my chop-saw is dying and I am in search of an new one. I ruled out the cold-cut saws as being too pricey. Considering only the abrasive ones, what brand did you folks have had good luck with? I am not brand loyal, but have a certain fondness for Ridgid tools. As far as what I need to cut? I dabble in some basic fabricating having made several trailers, a logging winch and a large number of other smaller projects. So the saw would not get used much by professional standards. Please share your experiences to help me decide which one to buy.

The reason this 5 yr old thread has resurfaced

rgfizhh is asking about abrasive saws, so the cold saws, iron workers, CNC plasma, and EDM machines are a non starter.

I suggested looking at the cheap band saw options out there, HF and Northern Klutch have some near that price range.

I think most of us are on the same page of- avoid abrasive if you can.
 
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I just got a flier from ZORO in the mail today. 20% off your purchase (use by Jan 31) anyone out there interested in the code to use at checkout?????????????????????????
 

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my chop saw is a makaita, no different from any of the others, bought it in a pawn shop in 94 so its properly a 88 model, still running great and I use it weekly, but its no different from an HF model
 

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Super pricey, but If I had seen one of these when I was shopping 5 years ago for one I'd be hard pressed to ignore. My dewalt is great but setting angles and good cuts are a tough one.


Ellis bandsaw will be my eventual next metal saw purchase.
 
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