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SCscoutguy

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Ok so I got this little item with some other items this past weekend and had no idea what it was. I did a google patent search and found out it was a Highfield Barrel Lock Plunger Key to unlock electrical meters. What I was shocked to see is people are asking between $400 and $800 each for these little keys!!? What the hell makes something like this worth so much? At first I thought people were just crazy asking that much but then I found several completed ad's where people got $425 and $540 for individual keys of this exact model. How could a little piece of metal and rubber like this cost so much?
 

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Ok so I got this little item with some other items this past weekend and had no idea what it was. I did a google patent search and found out it was a Highfield Barrel Lock Plunger Key to unlock electrical meters. What I was shocked to see is people are asking between $400 and $800 each for these little keys!!? What the hell makes something like this worth so much? At first I thought people were just crazy asking that much but then I found several completed ad's where people got $425 and $540 for individual keys of this exact model. How could a little piece of metal and rubber like this cost so much?

Only power company employees are supposed to have them? Otherwise anyone can take our there meter and get free power
 
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Only power company employees are supposed to have them? Otherwise anyone can take our there meter and get free power
I thought about that and I asked a guy that works for my local power company and he said as far as he knew anyone could buy one?
 

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I think the cable companys use these too,as i bought a comcasts guys tool set-up years ago and this is among the tools in the box.
 

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Worth $$ to the indoor herb farming crowd... very high power consumption on a 24/7 basis from a residence generally results in undesired law enforcement attention. No meter (or, usually, a pre-meter tap, hidden inside the meter base, and sub-panel for the lights/fans), POCO lock intact... you get the idea.
 

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sorry, i know this is an old post, but im in nyc and looking for a key for the con ed barrel locks i bought the one someone posted on here for $70 but its to big and no, ive read about people using it for growing and things im an electrician and its alot easy and more professional to remove the meter with a key then cutting off the lock when we do a new service panel we make appointments with coned to have them open the locks but alot of the time they never show anyone know of a key with a smaller diameter shaft?
 

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Just so you know, it is illegal to tamper with utility locks. That's why they are so expensive. Smart meters can tell when they have been removed so don't think you're tricking anyone by removing the lock and putting it back on.

The legit tools have serial numbers on them that are usually tracked by individual employee. If the company gets ahold of the sale of the key they may try to prosecute the employee and the seller.

Not worth trying to re-sell or buy them if you ask me.
 

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yah, i seen that sight but $450 seem like way to much but i guess we dont have an option and i want just want to be clear, noone is tampering with the lock but its a pain when a customer calls me back and is complaining that the utility company harassed them that the lock was cut off ( even though it didnt have to be if they did their job! ) its just convience for us believe me, a 36 volt cordless hilti circular saw and a metal cutting blace takes less then 60 seconds to get the lock off i dont know about other areas but here in nyc i call and give my license and supposedly they make an appt to open it sick part is i personally have been there when the meter reader was there AND when they came to put a new ring and lock on, and they never even pulled the meter to see if it was tapped to steal electric, really is a joke
 
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Just so you know, it is illegal to tamper with utility locks. That's why they are so expensive. Smart meters can tell when they have been removed so don't think you're tricking anyone by removing the lock and putting it back on.

The legit tools have serial numbers on them that are usually tracked by individual employee. If the company gets ahold of the sale of the key they may try to prosecute the employee and the seller.

Not worth trying to re-sell or buy them if you ask me.


Our locks are high tech. Went from a lead seal to a thin wire one. We do use barrel locks on someone who gets caught messing around.

Joe
 

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Just so you know, it is illegal to tamper with utility locks. That's why they are so expensive. Smart meters can tell when they have been removed so don't think you're tricking anyone by removing the lock and putting it back on.

The legit tools have serial numbers on them that are usually tracked by individual employee. If the company gets ahold of the sale of the key they may try to prosecute the employee and the seller.

Not worth trying to re-sell or buy them if you ask me.

I guess the PoCos out here dont care as much as others. Ive had to pull meters on several jobs to swap out main breakers and panel guts. In the past, I would call to setup appts for a temp. disconnect and wouldnt even get call backs, so I dont bother anymore. Every meter out here is wire sealed.

When i moved into my current house, I had to pull the meter ring clamp and meter off because the clevice was in the way of the panel cover. Its a smart meter, and to this day the local PoCo has never come by specifically because of this or asked about why the meter was removed. Also had a troubleshooter come by recently because of an intermittent power loss issue and he saw the cut meter seal and didnt even care!
 

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And just how is a smart meter going to know the difference between it being removed, and losing input power?
 

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Usualy the POCO's don't care what electricians do, they just like a heads up that you're cutting a seal. I wasn't aware that most NY meters are locked with barrel locks.

Around here they are locked after someone has been suspected of stealing. So I was assuming that it was locked for a reason and you wouldn't be tricking anyone by putting the lock back on after. You may actually get your customer in more trouble if they notice the meter has been removed after they locked them for possible tampering.

They can't tell that smart meters have been removed and put back in unless the POCO takes the meter out and anylizes it. Some of the new meters work on remote so they can actually tell in real time if they're removed, but almost all meters are just regular type.

I would still say that having a barrel lock key is a bad idea even if you are using it for the right reasons. You might end up running into some meter reader that wants to bust your balls for using it. You're better off cutting the lock and letting them know that you had to do it. Nobody would care if you did it that way in the company's area that I'm in.

It's kind of like carrying a lock pick set around.. not really illegal, but also something that people who aren't breaking the law other than a lock smith would carry around. Best example I could think of:headscrat
 

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And just how is a smart meter going to know the difference between it being removed, and losing input power?

Good question.. I'll have to ask about that one. My best answer without knowing the real answer is that they would compare the loss of power on the meter to known outages. All outages are tracked and saved forever, so if they don't add up to what the meter is saying, then that is one way of knowing. Plus if you're pulling it a lot, the tabs on the meter will get worn down. Pulling it once or twice to upgrade won't really scour the blades too bad, but pulling it a couple times a week will be really noticeable.
 
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And just how is a smart meter going to know the difference between it being removed, and losing input power?

Some/most "smart meters" have the capability reporting a power outage so that the extent of that outage can be determined and troubleshooting the cause of the outage can be made easier knowing the exact extent of the outage. Pulling the meter tells the computer (Operating Management System = OMS) there is an outage at that address.

As to whether that capability is enabled by your poco; that is another matter.
 

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Usualy the POCO's don't care what electricians do, they just like a heads up that you're cutting a seal. I wasn't aware that most NY meters are locked with barrel locks.

Around here they are locked after someone has been suspected of stealing. So I was assuming that it was locked for a reason and you wouldn't be tricking anyone by putting the lock back on after. You may actually get your customer in more trouble if they notice the meter has been removed after they locked them for possible tampering.

They can't tell that smart meters have been removed and put back in unless the POCO takes the meter out and anylizes it. Some of the new meters work on remote so they can actually tell in real time if they're removed, but almost all meters are just regular type.

I would still say that having a barrel lock key is a bad idea even if you are using it for the right reasons. You might end up running into some meter reader that wants to bust your balls for using it. You're better off cutting the lock and letting them know that you had to do it. Nobody would care if you did it that way in the company's area that I'm in.

It's kind of like carrying a lock pick set around.. not really illegal, but also something that people who aren't breaking the law other than a lock smith would carry around. Best example I could think of:headscrat

this is complete bunk. if you are a licensed contractor or working under a home owner's permit and you call for a meter pull and the poco doesn't show then the grinder comes out and the lock gets cut. the poco knows this so you are actually doing the poco a service. they aren't going to bother you because you are automatically on the up and up by calling for the meter pull. now if you never make the call and the meter is out that is a different story, but all of this hand wringing and bed wetting is stupid.
 

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Just so you know, it is illegal to tamper with utility locks. That's why they are so expensive. Smart meters can tell when they have been removed so don't think you're tricking anyone by removing the lock and putting it back on.

The legit tools have serial numbers on them that are usually tracked by individual employee. If the company gets ahold of the sale of the key they may try to prosecute the employee and the seller.

Not worth trying to re-sell or buy them if you ask me.

Dude, relax. Smoking dope is illegal, but it's got nothing to do with the cost of a bong.

Last time I had to have my meter pulled, I would have gladly paid $100.00 for that key.

I called the power company and they give you like a 4 hour "window" of when they can be there to pull the meter and once you are done, you get another "4 hour "window" to re-stab the meter.

It was a massive pain in the a##
 

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I'm not mad about it. I was just giving advice. If anyone actually read what I said, I mentioned that we don't care if the band it cut or not as long as there is some kind of heads up even after the work gets done. I was just saying that you may get the homeowner in trouble if you remove a band without letting the POCO know the reason because they may have had billing issues in the past. I don't think anyone should have to wait for the POCO to show up to do work.
 

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And just how is a smart meter going to know the difference between it being removed, and losing input power?

My PoCo's control center gets notified every time a smart meter losses power, just like 9C1 said below!


Some/most "smart meters" have the capability reporting a power outage so that the extent of that outage can be determined and troubleshooting the cause of the outage can be made easier knowing the exact extent of the outage. Pulling the meter tells the computer (Operating Management System = OMS) there is an outage at that address.

As to whether that capability is enabled by your poco; that is another matter.
 
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