MG725 Trade Up Question

[devilphrog]

The pawn shop right down the street from my house has a couple Snap-On MG725's for sale. I believe one is $269 and the other is a little higher. What would be a fair price to offer them for one of these guns? I currently have a Snap-On IMC-500 impact that I would consider trading in and paying the difference. Anybody on here know what a fair price to ask for the IMC-500 on an up trade. Would this even be worth it or should I just hold on to my old gun?

 

[supraman1990]

I have a 725, and it literally blows any other impact I've used in the shop out of the water. I've used a few other techs guns, and they are both heavier and weaker. My 725 will literally twist my wrist off If I open it up and let it freewheel.

 

[devilphrog]

That's what I've been reading about them. I am no professional but I like to have the best that I can get with my money. I figure if the price is right on one of these with a trade in, I will jump on it.

 

[Rnz520]

IF its brand new then offer him 200 and work from there, if not it depends on the condition. I like to start out low and see how they work with you

 

[boogerboy72]

dont buy either one and pick up an ingersol 2135.

 

[petty4243]

doubt they would give much more than 50-75 trade value if that, but the mpacts are "the best you can get " as already mentioned, go in with cash and offer half of listed value, they might just take it to move them, or they more ikley will meet you in the middle

 

[mrshaun]

sell the gun on ebay and buy the mg725, stay away from IR, their warranty policy does not cover water damage. Last one I sent in was sent back in a pile of parts b/c of water damage ( rust) in the gun. voided the warranty. so no more ir on my truck

 

[Diesel_Crawler]

sell the gun on ebay and buy the mg725, stay away from IR, their warranty policy does not cover water damage. Last one I sent in was sent back in a pile of parts b/c of water damage ( rust) in the gun. voided the warranty. so no more ir on my truck

I find there products to hit and miss. You could a good one that lasts for ever and one that is dead in a week.

Get the snap on ones, Here are mine

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52556

 

[mrshaun]

I have a new ir231c that came in from the factory that was missing parts inside.

 

[devilphrog]

Hey MrShaun; what could I expect to get for an IMC500? It works well, was oiled before and after each use and has the normal case wear from use. Just looking for a ballpark estimate.

 

[tonydanzah]

sell the gun on ebay and buy the mg725, stay away from IR, their warranty policy does not cover water damage. Last one I sent in was sent back in a pile of parts b/c of water damage ( rust) in the gun. voided the warranty. so no more ir on my truck

nice scare tactic, the ir 2135 is awesome. I have bought 2 used for around $100 bucks with no problems and 2115 same deal. Parts are cheap and the gun goes for cheap used.

 

[ricleh]

I have an IR 2135 and 2 MG725 guns. There is no comparison. I never use the IR gun anymore. The IR gun was bought new. The 2 Snapon guns were bought used for less than I paid for the IR gun. I don't like all Snapon air tools but the new MG725 and the MG325 guns are really good.

 

[chadster1]

nice scare tactic, the ir 2135 is awesome. I have bought 2 used for around $100 bucks with no problems and 2115 same deal. Parts are cheap and the gun goes for cheap used.

I have had the sme thing happen to me as well. IR DOES NOT HONOR THEIR WARRANTY ON AIR TOOLS. You and a lot of people have had good luck with their tools. As a dealer, our customers expect us to sell something that we can stand behind. I cannot and will not sell a tool that has a stated warranty and then the manufacturer uses excuses to not honor that warranty.

 

[Toolhorder]

I quit buying SO air guns when that crappy one with the yellow cover came out in like 1999 or 2000.
Piece of junk. Air leaked from the stupid muffler valve in the front of the gun. Dealer wanted to send it in and make me wait the next week he came AND wanted his payment for it. NOPE, I requested another gun and he wouldn't do it. Told him our business relationship was over when he got pissed and raised his voice to me. Had to call the District manager to get it taken back and get a credit issued. That was it for me with SO.
Years later the IR titinuim guns come out. Toolman told me he would leave it for a week so I could try it out. Thing took crank bolts off Hondas without a holder tool and was super light. I bought the 1/2 and 3/8. Had them about 5 or 6 years and they are the badass guns in my shop. Everyone borrows them when they need torque to take off bolts on crank pulleys.
If I could demo the SO one maybe I would try them again IF it was better than my IR's.
I doubt it but I would try them out and see. My SO dealer is a tool so I doubt he would let me demo anything.

The warranty issues that were mentioned above don't mean a whole lot to me as air tools aren't warrantied much in the business anyway. What's the warranty? 1 yr? If you oil your air gun and make sure you don't have water in the lines everyday you don't need to worry about water damage and from my previous experience SO guns come broken out of the box too so that's just how it is with any company.

 

[Marlin]

The performance difference between the MG725 and the 2135TiMAX is negligible, especially on most shop air supplies since the MG725 uses more air effectively lowering the pressure at the inlet of the tool. So the difference comes down to whether you want a 3.95 lb tool or a bulkier 4.8 lb tool. Regarding warranty, I've seen some pretty badly abused tools come in and be covered under warranty, if a tool was denied for water damage, it must have been a pretty blatant case of abuse.

 

[chadster1]

The performance difference between the MG725 and the 2135TiMAX is negligible, especially on most shop air supplies since the MG725 uses more air effectively lowering the pressure at the inlet of the tool. So the difference comes down to whether you want a 3.95 lb tool or a bulkier 4.8 lb tool. Regarding warranty, I've seen some pretty badly abused tools come in and be covered under warranty, if a tool was denied for water damage, it must have been a pretty blatant case of abuse.

Where do you work where you see tools come in for warranty?

I have sent an IR231C in for warranty repair and it had no visible signs of water damage on the outside of the gun and it was returned to me with a charge for the repair stating that there was water damage on the inside. That was it for me. I dont stock IR on my truck. If a customer insists on an IR tool. I tell him that there is no warranty.

 

[Fubar]

The performance difference between the MG725 and the 2135TiMAX is negligible

600 max torque for the IR and 1190lb torque for the Snap-on.

I wouldn't say that's negligible by a long shot. And I own both....

 

[tonydanzah]

600 max torque for the IR and 1190lb torque for the Snap-on.

I wouldn't say that's negligible by a long shot. And I own both....

those are not the correct numbers the working torque of those units
snappy 810ft lbs
IR 780ft lbs

if your comparing a Snappy MG725 and IR 2135Timax

IR# Drive Size: 1/2"
# Weight(lbs.): 3.95
# Free Speed (RPM): 9,800
# BPM: 1,250- CFM @ Load: 24
# Maximum Torque, rev(ft-lbs): 780
# Nut Busting Torque (NBT): 1,100 ft-lb
# Sound dBA@ load (Press./Power): 99.8/110.8

Snappy
Blows per Minute, BPM 1,270
Bolt Break Away Torque, ft. lb. (N•m) 1,190 (1,613)
Maximum Torque, ft. lb. (N•m) 600 (813) Forward, 810 (1,094) Reverse
Torque Range, ft. lb. (N•m) 810 (1,094)

the main internal difference between the the 2 is the ir has a 7 vane motor, the snap on has a 8 vane motor.

 

[Marlin]

Where do you work where you see tools come in for warranty? .

I work at Ingersoll Rand.

I have sent an IR231C in for warranty repair and it had no visible signs of water damage on the outside of the gun and it was returned to me with a charge for the repair stating that there was water damage on the inside. That was it for me. I dont stock IR on my truck. If a customer insists on an IR tool. I tell him that there is no warranty.

I guess I do not understand why there would be signs of water damage on the outside of the tool, since the water would be in the airlines and be running through the inside of the tool. Neither tool IR or SO has rust proof internals, so if you run enough water through them and never oil them and then let them sit for days or weeks, the rotors will rust and lock up the motor, this is not a defect in the tool. I fail to see how this translates to the product not having a warranty.

 

[Fubar]

Do you own both?

I do, and the Snap-on gun has more power. The IR gun lasted about three months under heavy use. The Snap-one is still strong after a year.

 

[Marlin]

600 max torque for the IR and 1190lb torque for the Snap-on.

I wouldn't say that's negligible by a long shot. And I own both....

See what Tony said regarding spec and also keep in mind that there are no standards on how impact testing is done, so it is up to the manufacturer to determine bolt size, run time, fastener lubrication, air supply, etc. So comparing specs does not always tell the whole story.

 

[Fubar]

Again, I have both and the IR lasted three months. It still had less power than the 725 that's still strong after a year.

 

[Marlin]

Again, I have both and the IR lasted three months. It still had less power than the 725 that's still strong after a year.

What happened to it after three months?

 

[ricleh]

My MG725 guns are considerably stronger than my 2135TiMax. The MG725 is by far the strongest 1/2" gun I have ever used. The numbers don't mean much to me. In real use I much prefer the MG725 even though it is heavier and louder than the IR.

 

[Fubar]

What happened to it after three months?

Lost power, sent it back. second time, same thing (I use them everyday).

If the air tools are marginal at all, I find the weaknesses. We use them hard.

 

[tonydanzah]

i don't have the snap on but i have used one of my ir2135 daily as tech for 3yrs with no problems. But i won't hesitate to use a 3/4" impact where needed. I have been so happy with the performance of the 2135 i bought a second used for home use.

 

[chadster1]

I work at Ingersoll Rand.
I guess I do not understand why there would be signs of water damage on the outside of the tool, since the water would be in the airlines and be running through the inside of the tool. Neither tool IR or SO has rust proof internals, so if you run enough water through them and never oil them and then let them sit for days or weeks, the rotors will rust and lock up the motor, this is not a defect in the tool. I fail to see how this translates to the product not having a warranty.

Impact less than 6 months old sent in for repair and was charged for the repair. That to me translates to no warranty. Snap-on has never charged me for a repair due to water damage or anything else for that matter. If the tool is within the warranty period, it is repaired for free. You cannot say that about IR.

 

[Marlin]

Impact less than 6 months old sent in for repair and was charged for the repair. That to me translates to no warranty. Snap-on has never charged me for a repair due to water damage or anything else for that matter. If the tool is within the warranty period, it is repaired for free. You cannot say that about IR.

The Ingersoll Rand warranty coverage is pretty liberal but you are correct, it is not a no questions asked guaruntee. Then again at the $ difference, that coverage obviously is not free when choosing the Snap on.

 

[Art From De Leon]

The Ingersoll Rand warranty coverage is pretty liberal but you are correct, it is not a no questions asked guaruntee. Then again at the $ difference, that coverage obviously is not free when choosing the Snap on.

And that is exactly the reason why spending the money up front is better than being fooled somewhere down the line, when the off brand warranty turns out to not be worth the paper that it is printed on. If their air compressors have lost the quality that they were once known for, why would the rest of their product line fare any better?

If I-R treated a dealer like that, do you think that an individual would fare any different.

Buy quality, buy it once, be done with it.

 

[Marlin]

And that is exactly the reason why spending the money up front is better than being fooled somewhere down the line, when the off brand warranty turns out to not be worth the paper that it is printed on. If their air compressors have lost the quality that they were once known for, why would the rest of their product line fare any better?

If I-R treated a dealer like that, do you think that an individual would fare any different.

Buy quality, buy it once, be done with it.

You're equating replacing a product that was abused with quality, I do not see the connection. I'm not here to bash Snap on, I am just correcting statements regarding Ingersoll Rand Warranty.

 

[chadster1]

You're equating replacing a product that was abused with quality, I do not see the connection. I'm not here to bash Snap on, I am just correcting statements regarding Ingersoll Rand Warranty.

I had heard the stories of warranties denied from several dealers in the DFW area and I took it with a grain of salt until it happened to me. It is not an isolated occurence where warranty is denied by IR due to claims of water damage. IR can make their stand on the warranty and I can choose to not sell their products.

 

[devilphrog]

Wow this thread took a crazy turn...

 

[petty4243]

bottom line..... if you can get a 725 snappy reasonably priced, buy it... you will be happy in the long run, if not ... sell it here and somone will buy it without doubt

 

[psychoclaw84]

I purchased a MG725 off of ebay (used) for $150.

The wrench had a slow leak because the trigger was slightly depress, the leak went away when the trigger was manually released/extended.

A snap on vendor sent my wrench for repair and was returned in a almost new rebuilt state. The impact has unbelieveable power and has flawless operation.

The MG725 has a two year warranty and my impact wrench rebuild/service was completely covered by Snap On

My advice is to purchase a used MG725 on ebay for $150-175 and send it in for a rebuild.