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RLaCasse1

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So, I have been looking for a 0-25mm micrometer to use around the garage. Mainly for valve adjustments on BMWs. The problem is, I don't know a whole lot about micrometers and the reputations of different brands.

Can you guys suggest decent brands for home use? Also, I don't really want a digital one.
 
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A cheapie chinese import will work for you but this is garage journal so that's no good.

mitutoyo is a favorite for higher end budget option usually japanese made, but sometimes chinese if that makes a difference to you.

USA standard is Starett and what most machinists will trust.
 
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I will add, I would rather not have to buy this tool ever again. Or at least not for a long time.
 

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If you want high quality buy mitutoyo or starett. I have had good luck with central and fowler mesuring instruments on the cheaper end.
 

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No one likes Brown & Sharp? I always thought they were up there with Starett and Mitutoyo. Go for a clutch type mic....but I guess these days most are...

If mics are new to you, when you go to put it away leave a gap between the spindle and the anvil.
 

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If you buy used it will probably be cheaper. I would recommend Etalon, Brown & Sharpe, Mitutoyo, or Starrett. I would also recommend Lufkin but I am unsure if they made metric mics.

Edit: Bob, I have a B&S 0-1" it is the slant line and I have no trouble reading it?
 
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No one likes Brown & Sharp? I always thought they were up there with Starett and Mitutoyo. Go for a clutch type mic....but I guess these days most are...

If mics are new to you, when you go to put it away leave a gap between the spindle and the anvil.

I've never owned one. But I used them a lot at a job prior to being in the military. I just don't remember what brand they were.
 

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If you buy used it will probably be cheaper. I would recommend Etalon, Brown & Sharpe, Mitutoyo, or Starrett. I would also recommend Lufkin but I am unsure if they made metric mics.

Edit: Bob, I have a B&S 0-1" it is the slant line and I have no trouble reading it?

I find that it takes me much longer to read the slant lines, mainly because I need to make sure what line I am reading, is it the .025 or .050 line.......

To me, straight lines are simpler and faster to use/read.
 

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I find that it takes me much longer to read the slant lines, mainly because I need to make sure what line I am reading, is it the .025 or .050 line.......



To me, straight lines are simpler and faster to use/read.


+1

Starett is what I use for micrometers, mitutoyo digital calipers are the shiznit.
 

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I personally feel Mitutoyo is the best value out there for precision measurement tools.

But, Hexagon Metrology (Brown and Sharpe's parent company) has a couple of Swiss brands that are phenomenal; Tesa and Etalon. The Tesa mics are my favorite by far.
 

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I prefer my starretts. For some reason, I like mitutoyo indicatiors and calipers, and starrett mics. I would get both .001 and .0001 grad. mics. Sometimes you don't want tenths to complicate things and the work doesn't require it. I'm faster with a .001 mic than a caliper on small parts, and the accuracy is more consistent.


Although it looks like you want a metric mic. Same principle applies. Get a couple.
 

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I have a bunch of Starrett, they are great. Scherr-Tumico is a little known brand, but fine quality and a fraction of the cost of a Starrett in EBay. (Tumico is short for Tubular Micrometer Company). S-T tools were manufactured in St. James, Minnesota. Entelon is the Rolls Royce of micrometers and pricey.
 

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No one likes Brown & Sharp? I always thought they were up there with Starett and Mitutoyo. Go for a clutch type mic....but I guess these days most are...

If mics are new to you, when you go to put it away leave a gap between the spindle and the anvil.

I really like B&S for indicators, but somewhat prefer Starett for mics. Mitutoyo for digital.
 
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No one will like this reply but the OP would be fine with a well-cared for Phase II (import). I'd get 10ths only, it's stupid easy to ignore the tenths if the job doesn't require it.
 

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Tesa.....

look at their catalog:beer:

my Tesamasters read to 0.001mm:thumbup:

and Tesa makes B&S calipers and test indicators

Starrett USED to be great.....my Grandfather's 1895 mic's are still dead on
 

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Older Starrett and Brown & Sharpe micrometers and calipers are the best value and they can be found in excellent condition for a fair price.

For the occasional weekender only needing to get within a couple of thousandths, the cheap stuff is pretty good for a fraction of the cost.

Like any tool, it really depends on your real needs. We all buy **** from HF when it suits the need...and from Snap On when that suits the need.
 

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Forgive me but how do you do valve adjustments on bmw's with a mic? Don't you use a dial indicator or feeler gages are used for this type of work?
 

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as in shimming valve springs? I'm pretty old school with the stuff I work on so unaware of a lot of the new technology in modern vehicles. At any rate a guy really should have mics, calipers and dial indicators.
 

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Here's my 2 cents:
For valve shimming I'm not sure what kind of accuracy you are looking for. You can easily get +/-.001" accuracy with a cheap digital caliper if you practice. That would be my advice. In digital calipers, there are good models and chinese models, and in my opinion, nothing in-between. Fowler sells chinese calipers at an attractive mid-market price, but these are really low priced calipers marked up. Chinese calipers are typically stainless steel and the faces may or may not be ground properly. If you are going to buy Chicom calipers, buy them at HF where they can be had cheapest. Know that they can be improved by careful disassembly and cleaning.

Mitutoyo really owns the digital caliper market place. They are smooth, easy to read, and offer excellent battery life. The working surfaces are carbide and precision ground. They are really the gold standard of digital calipers. I also have Starrett 798-8 caliper. Past china made models have been troublesome and Starrett lost some if its good reputation over them. The 798 are USA made using Swiss electronics (similar to Etalon, Tesa, B&S etc). My set is coolant proof which may be helpful for automotive work.

For mics, I have digital Mits and old Starrett 436 (bottom of their range). I find myself reaching for the oldies most often. If you are looking for a decent mic, here are the features I think you should compare:
1) Grip- I like the smooth rounded frame on the 436 as opposed to the new rectangular grips. If you need to work below .001" (.03mm) you may need an insulated grip to prevent your body heat from affecting the reading. A mic stand is another solution and I recommend it. Lufkin made similar grips/frames. You can poke around on ebay to find comparables. My B&S from the 70's 80's had the new style rectangular frame I personally don't care for.

2) Friction or ratchet clutch? Many prefer friction clutches for finer work. But you really have to practice your technique with either using a known std. I think most Starrett 436s are ratchet.

3) Markings- I prefer Starretts' markings. I think they are easier to read. Starrett put a lot of thought and work into making hash lines clear and readable. In my opinion, they are the best in the industry at this. My 436s have lovely easy to read markings.

4) New or used? Some of the recommended mice are very expensive new. The Starrett 436 has been around for ever. You can pick them up on ebay for less than $20. If you want new, the polish made models sold by Enco are said to be very good. Japanese made fowlers are also good. Avoid chinese made (not because I don't like China, but because they make poor quality calipers and micrometers - exception: ANYI very good stuff).

My recommendation- digital caliper. If you can afford it, buy Mitutoyo. If you can't, HF will work.

For mics, I recommend a used Starrett 436M. Metric is not as common as inch sizes so it will cost more. You might find better deals on Mitutoyos. For new, buy the Enco made in Poland models.
 

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I'd look for used. High quality used micrometers often sell for pennies on the dollar. I see Starretts all the time at G-sales for around $5-10.

I would avoid Brown and Sharpe. The last two new B&S tools I bought were total garbage. Mitutoyo is always a good bet.
 

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One more word about Mitutoyo. I like Mitutoyo a lot. I have a lot of Mitutoyo products. But not ALL are made in Japan. Mitutoyo has a plant in Brazil and they make things that aren't as nice as the Japanese made stuff. So beware- just because it says Mitutoyo, doesn't mean it is high quality.

Same goes for new Starrett. Starrett has a plant in China. I would take Chinese Starrett over no name China every day of the week. And I trust that Starrett's QA correctly assesses each tool's true accuracy and records that, unlike no name China.
 

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I had a friend who was a retired diemaker that opened a new and used tool store. He bought a lot of estates and always had quality used precision tools at decent prices. I acquired most of my stuff from him, and it's a mix of B&S, Starrett, Lufkin, Mitutoyo and others. I have a 1" Etalon that has an oversize thimble and a 2-start thread so it travels .050" per revolution instead of the usual .025", and that means it's quicker to adjust. My 25 mm mike is a Mauser that was used by an old time German toolmaker and passed on to me. The bigger inch size are either B&S or Starrett up to 6".
 

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3) Markings- I prefer Starretts' markings. I think they are easier to read. Starrett put a lot of thought and work into making hash lines clear and readable. In my opinion, they are the best in the industry at this. My 436s have lovely easy to read markings.

New Starrett mics have laser etched markings that you cannot feel with your fingernail. The older models are actually engraved and easier to read in my opinion. My concern with the laser etched markings is that in time they could wear off, rendering the mic useless.

Mitutoyo still makes most of their products in Japan, but for a while now the 6" & 8" dial calipers are Brazil, their machinist squares are Brazil, and their combo squares are actually Hecho en Mexico.

My ~6 year old Starrett digital calipers are "Made in USA of US and Global components." Not too thrilled about that, but they are actually really good calipers.
 

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I am a machine builder and I do precision lineups all day, I personally own Mitutoyo friction type micrometers they are the ones I prefer. Some guys I work with prefer Starrett. We do not use any digital micrometers in our shop because when the batteries get low some micrometers accuracy gets compromised.
 

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My dad is a retired machinist... swears by Brown and Sharp. He has a ton of different micrometers, some that go into the millionths. He is getting ready to offload alot of the specialty stuff that he doesn't use now that he is retired. Many of the other brands that people mentioned are all respectable as well.
 

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I own some of all makes (I probably own 50 or more micrometers). Satin finish is best (easiest to read). The ONLY micrometer I really disliked were the slant-line B&S micrometers, and that plastic direct-reading monstrosity B&S also made.

Best all around value in the used market: any of the Lufkin carbide-faced models with the thick spindle.
 

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I have no Idea how much they cost (work set), but mitutoyo makes a 0-1" digital mic that switches from standard to metric with a button. It's more than a manual one but less than buying both a standard and metric.
 

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I have no Idea how much they cost (work set), but mitutoyo makes a 0-1" digital mic that switches from standard to metric with a button. It's more than a manual one but less than buying both a standard and metric.

25.4 millimeters to the inch.

;)
 

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I have no Idea how much they cost (work set), but mitutoyo makes a 0-1" digital mic that switches from standard to metric with a button. It's more than a manual one but less than buying both a standard and metric.

I have the 293-344, 345, 346. The 344 was about $130 and it's a seriously nice mic.

Link
 

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New Starrett mics have laser etched markings that you cannot feel with your fingernail. The older models are actually engraved and easier to read in my opinion. My concern with the laser etched markings is that in time they could wear off, rendering the mic useless.

Mitutoyo still makes most of their products in Japan, but for a while now the 6" & 8" dial calipers are Brazil, their machinist squares are Brazil, and their combo squares are actually Hecho en Mexico.

My ~6 year old Starrett digital calipers are "Made in USA of US and Global components." Not too thrilled about that, but they are actually really good calipers.

Agreed I don't like laser etch. I have some new Starrett rules and they have the old fashioned markings and are so clear. Love them. Even just the lengths of the hash lines- Starrett stuff is easy to read. Be cautious of new tho.

I have Starrett 798-8 calipers. Made in Athol mass using Swiss made electronic readers. Global doesn't always mean china.
 
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