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There are crimp connections that have heat shrink over them. 3m makes them I think, undoubtedly tons of of them to be found on amazon. They tend to look better than the standard crimps once shrinked down and offer some protection from moisture.

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There is a happy compromise here. i dont like crimped connections anyplace where moisture might work its way into the sleeve (and never scotch locks...anywhere). When we make a connection that might be exposed to the elements, say a trailer wiring harness, we sometimes push the crimp sleeve out of the plastic sleeve crimping only the metal sleeve. we then shrink tube that connection. you have the advantages of the mechanical connection with the water proofing that shrink tube creates.

I was going to do that but couldn't find bare bullet connectors. The insulator on the ones that I used wasn't possible to remove without cutting and I didn't feel like wrestling with it. On motorcycles I crimp and solder and then shrink tube or even better use the waterproof molex style connectors. Thanks for the reminder.

There are crimp connections that have heat shrink over them. 3m makes them I think, undoubtedly tons of of them to be found on amazon. They tend to look better than the standard crimps once shrinked down and offer some protection from moisture.

I've never had good luck with them - most likely because I didn't have the right crimping pliers. I couldn't find them this time when I went out to get the connectors otherwise I would have tried them again. I still have the front lights to disable... er, replace. I'll try that then.

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I've never had good luck with them - most likely because I didn't have the right crimping pliers. I couldn't find them this time when I went out to get the connectors otherwise I would have tried them again. I still have the front lights to disable... er, replace. I'll try that then.

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I have only had good results with the Wurth ones.
 
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Any concerns over electrolysis using SS in aluminum?

I'm torn about Galvanic Corrosion. Yes, it's certainly an issue. When I pulled off the old marker lights their metal bases had rusted and left pitting in the skin. The fasteners had also rusted to a lesser degree but the holes weren't corroded. One of the moderators of the Avion forum swears by LPS2 as a coating on any stainless or other metal fastener and I've sprayed my collection of stainless screws with a dose of it as I keep it for spraying down the mill and lathe ways and table.

The trailer is 40 years old so I really wonder what a single spray of LPS2 will do over number of years. In this paper on Quest Aircraft they recommend applying LPS2 but every two years. I don't see myself disassembling the lights, windows, etc every two years to respray the screws. I'm crazy but there's limits.

So, yes, I do think about it. From what I've seen so far it doesn't seem to be one of the greatest challenges that the trailer faces as it ages. That seems to stem from the degradation of the rubber seals, the failure of seams and the rusting of the old galvanized fasteners. At the moment it feels like a race to repair things before more things fail - sort of like trying to build a house of cards really fast so you can move in and enjoy it before it falls...

Have you tried Wago connectors? Available in 2 to 5 wire versions.

They are excellent. I like them a lot better than wire nuts. Easy to assemble / disassemble particularly with a lot of wires in a small box.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0195V2LX8/?tag=atomicindus08-20

You know, the electrician who helped me with relocating a panel used them on occasion and I liked them. I didn't find them easy to undo but they were easy to use and took less space. I might try them out on the closets next.

Thanks for the tips guys!

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Have you tried Wago connectors? Available in 2 to 5 wire versions.

They are excellent. I like them a lot better than wire nuts. Easy to assemble / disassemble particularly with a lot of wires in a small box.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0195V2LX8/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Those are nice. I also use them especially when you're still switching wiring and setting things up. When everything is fixed I rather use these as they are a bit cheaper. But these are both more suited for home wiring. No vibration etc. On the trailer I'd go with bullet connectors or if you want it very fancy: econoseal. But that's way way over the top.
 
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The van is cool Gregor! Ive been on the hunt for one for awhile. I need something to tow our jeep but need more room than a pickup
 

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I still don't find that as pretty as a soldered connection with shrink wrap over the base but I'm standing on a ladder in the driveway so soldering isn't an option.

For outdoor soldering in precarious spots (standing on the roof peak while working on an antenna, say), I've had pretty OK results with a small butane soldering pencil. It would work fine for taillight wires; just don't try it on really big wires unless you have a lot of patience.

Here is one example https://www.amazon.com/Weller-P2C-Butane-Soldering-Iron/dp/B000B61L0G. There are lots of cheaper clones, too.
 

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If you do try the wago connectors, look at the 221 series vs. the 222 linked above. The clip is a little wider and easier to latch/unlatch, but the body is 25-30% smaller if you're working in tight boxes.
 

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For outdoor soldering in precarious spots (standing on the roof peak while working on an antenna, say), I've had pretty OK results with a small butane soldering pencil. It would work fine for taillight wires; just don't try it on really big wires unless you have a lot of patience.

Here is one example https://www.amazon.com/Weller-P2C-Butane-Soldering-Iron/dp/B000B61L0G. There are lots of cheaper clones, too.

I love my butane soldering iron. I can stick it in my back pocket and crawl up in the attic or walk out and work on the wiring by the back gate. After many years I finally bought a new tip for it the beginning of the month.
"https://www.amazon.com/Iso-Tip-797...UTF8&qid=1495285692&sr=8-2&keywords=solderpro

At work we often have to resolder connections on small 5V light barriers down in the bowels of large equipment. Often using a corded soldering iron would pop the fuse in the power supply. After I brought in my soldering iron they experimented with the crappy cordless but eventually bought several sets like mine.

I was shocked to read the last page of this thread last month. Figured my internet had gone down....
 
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I'm glad that is your first post. I'm not sure what it refers to but that's a win as far as I'm concerned. We need more "Yay" in our lives.

I thought I would have time to post up progress while I was in NY last week but I was slammed from dawn to well into the night. But I have a moment now so in order to push for a bit of momentum I'll try to get an update in.

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I replaced a fuse and cleaned the trailers cable contacts and the trucks as well and now it seems I have lights again. Great! Off to the next possible leak.

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The rear window, unlike the sides, sits at a bit of an angle. The marker lights were broken above it and you can see that the glazing was pretty shot so there were a host of ways that I was getting leaks back there. I'd found a place locally, Interstate RV Supply, that stocks all sorts of glazing and rubber parts for Airstreams and similar trailers that use Herr windows and I bought a bunch with the plan to fix the windows.

The first step was to unscrew the many screws on the inside. There were six different types and sizes of screws. Not intentionally either.

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These screw through an inner frame into the outer window and hold it in place but don't seal it.

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The window, like most things on these trailers, is held in place with a form of butyl. It's a kind sticky rubber sealant that is impermeable and clay like. The five in one tool seems to be the most useful tool for working on the trailer. I've dulled it's edges on the scotchbrite wheel so it can't gouge the aluminum but it works better than anything else so far.

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After gently prying the window all around the butyl finally yields and the window comes out. In that shot the inner frame is still in place.

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With the window on a pair of saw horses I use the 5 in 1 tool to pry the old and brittle rubber glazing from the frame.

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The glazing, or rubber trim, isn't actually what seals the window. Much like a car windshield the actual sealing is done with butyl and the rubber surround serves to fill the space and make the install clean. I suspect that it also helps prevent water from pooling in the channels and freezing. Once the glazing is out you very gently pry the window away from the butyl tape that is holding it in. Very gently!

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I use a small brush (I like gun cleaning brushes as they have a narrow end as well as the toothbrush sized one) to get out all the compacted dirt in the frame. The glazing seals a lot of the window but dirt still collects.

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Then a cleaning solution like 409 is sprayed on and scrubbed to help get rid of the moss and dirt.

I hosed off that mess and then set about scraping off the old sealant...

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It was on the window glass as well. It was tedious.

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Of all the solvents I've ever used this 3M adhesive cleaner is by far the most effective and most gentle. This can has lasted me almost 10 years as it doesn't take very much.

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I wash the windows and frame down after they're clean and let them dry in the sun for a few hours. I pressure wash the frame but just hose down the glass as I fear spraying it off the sawhorse and shattering it.

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This is the butyl rod that I'm using. I'm sure there are others but I generally trust the 3M stuff and I want this to last and be right the first time. I never want to do this again. Well, except for all the other windows - I'm really looking forward to them.

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This stuff is sticky. I mean really, really sticky. If it accidentally touches anything it will stick to it worse than used gum. Cut your losses and cut it off and start over. I keep the paper on to help me align it into the channel where the window will sit.

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You can sort of see the black band on the edge of the glass - that's the butyl. I then install the new glazing which is pretty tough as it's very tight and hard to get into it's home.

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I used to hate cheap mismatched tools but now I collect them when I find them and keep them in a separate drawer. I consider them sacrificial tools. I would never grind a good Wiha or Snap-On screw driver but a chewed up one is perfect to round smooth on the belt sander and polish on the scotchbrite wheel. It worked very well for pressing the glazing into place.

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Corners are mitered with an x-acto knife.

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This is the only real problem I encountered. The glazing can't lay flat in the corners and buckles slightly. Since it's not what actually seals the window I'm going to hope that it relaxes and takes the curve after sitting in the sun for a bit. Perhaps I should have hit it with a heat gun while installing but I was worried I might cook it.

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New butyl tape gets pressed into the outside frames inner shoulder.

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The inside frame gets some foam tape to fill any gap between the two frames.

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Before and...

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I also found replacement bumper tape since that white stuff was supposed to be orange. But that can wait until the whole trailer gets a bath.

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Lastly I've been collecting various stainless screws to use and replace what I find in the trailer as I go. I have sprayed the entire collection down with LPS2 or LPS3 to help keep them from having any kind of galvanic corrosion.

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And finished. That install took the better part of about 5-6 hours. I have six more to go but this one was the most suspect. The large curved front window is the second most suspect but also the most difficult. For now the trailer seems to be staying dry so I'll consider what needs to be next as I go through it preparing for the summer.

Gregor
 

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Hear, hear! I used my 20+ year old can last weekend, thought about how long I have had it & revelled in its potency. The stuff is amazing. Far better than Goo Gone or any other elixir that is supposed to remove sticky schmoo. I think my can is about 1/3 full still. Letting it soak for a few extra seconds really helps break down adhesives.

It also is good for many cleaning jobs. I brightened up a rubber case for a Fluke multimeter with it recently.

Regarding your corners....
Can you stretch the material out a bit as you install to reduce the amount of buckling?

Maybe try pressing it down with a purpose built forming tool while adding a bit of heat gun love? Would be nice to get it shaped before the other strips are installed.

Love the trailer. I think you should clear coat over some of the mold/moss. Particularly the name plate. The patina looks really nice in your photos.
 
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Hi Gregor,

I found it interesting that you mentioned the 3M general purpose adhesive cleaner. I found out about it on the Restored 1930's Auto Shop thread. Great minds think alike. I think I may check out some of the electrical tips you got on this page. This is a wonderful forum and I love your thread! I hope you have many happy camping trips with your family in the RV!!!

Joe
 

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Great work as always. Try NSPA for connectors. They are crimp/solder/shrink seal all in one connector.

 

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BTW, I think the little nozzle cap shown here has played a role in getting 2 decades of use out of a bottle. That & sloth.

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I was deep in the middle of stain testing but got stuck between work and weather and never made much progress. The past month or more I've been dealing with trying to get the new van ready for summer.

I'm not sure if I covered it here but Oregon's DMV called after a month or so and asked for their plates back. Turns out they didn't like TN paperwork and decided to not accept it. TN promised to take care of it if OR gave me any problems and when I called they changed their mind and decided they didn't like their paperwork either. Or rather they didn't want to give me a title since I lived out of state. Stuck between two bureaucracies I turned to everyone's favorite state for wayward vehicles: Vermont.

Vermont, much like Honey Badger, doesn't give a damn. Give them a bill of sale and their money and they'll give you plates. It's been a month now of back and forth but I'm hoping that they come through for me and I get VT plates and registration which OR will then recognize. Stupid? Yes, but thankfully it should provide me with a way out of the mess.

Needless to say I'm either a brave fool or an idiot but I've decided to plow forward as we've got a plan to drive the van to Colorado for a family visit. If you'd like to see some more detail I've got a build thread going on here:

Subtle Shuttle - E350 4x4 build

And for those who aren't keen on clicking through I'll give you the Clif Notes:

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The guy above is named Josh and he works with Michael of MG Metalworks and does much of the disassembly and preparation of the vans that Michael does for customers. He's an Afganistan vet and despite having lost both of his legs he is a demon with a set of wrenches and can just tear a van down like no one's business.

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As is the case with any project some things have not gone as planned. The axle we found after a month of searching turns out to have been slightly bent. We're looking for another one but with a week to go before our trip the pressure has been turned slightly up. Who loves pressure? Raise your hand! Oooh, me! Pick me! I love pressure!. God, sometimes I step back and look at my life and wonder what the hell...

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We're not even close to putting wheels on - in fact the rear axle came out just after I shot this photo - but I've been dying to see what the wheels would look like so I rolled one in just to see. The van is comically high on the lift and yet the tire is barely fitting. It will actually be higher I think.

Anyway, I'm learning a lot about car/truck drivelines, suspensions and steering and if you're curious I do my best to explain what i'm learning which turns out is a lot. If you don't check it out don't worry, I'll be posting up progress here as we get closer. It's a pretty interesting process.

That's all for now. Oh, wait, one other fun thing happened a week ago...

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I got to spend the weekend with these guys! From left to right: Travis Pastrana, Jaie Toohey, Blake "Bilko" Williams and James Foster of the Nitro World Games. To say the least these guys are a fun and crazy group. We spent a day absolutely thrashing a bunch of Polaris Slingshots and then got to watch them perform tricks that made me feel both old and inspired. It just doesn't seem possible what they're doing now.

Okay, that's all. No more rhyming, I mean it.

Gregor
 

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Thanks for the update. And good to know about Vermont. I wonder if it's that easy for motorcycles too. Did you have to go to VT, or just call and mail in the BOS with a Money Order?
 
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Thanks for the update. And good to know about Vermont. I wonder if it's that easy for motorcycles too. Did you have to go to VT, or just call and mail in the BOS with a Money Order?

I have done it with motorcycles and another truck. The caveat is it has to be older than 15 years. VT doesn't issue titles for vehicles older than 15 years, only a registration (and plates of course) but other states will accept this as an official ownership document and then issue you a new title. It won't work for trying to get a street title for a dirt bike as those VINs are flagged.

So no need to go there. Download the form and mail a check with a bill of sale (which does not need to be notarized) and you're good to go. Lots of hot rods, customs and abandoned vehicles seem to begin life again in VT...

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"Does anybody want a peanut?"

Ding! Beat me to it.

Gregor - I assume you are hauling a bike to CO? I am getting squirrelly to ride from Boulder to Winter Park via trails & dirt roads.

I was looking at a KTM 525EXC yesterday that is for sale a few blocks from my house. Any thoughts on that bike / motor? It looked to be in decent shape with just enough wrong with it to peak my interest. I know you can relate to that. The same place had a BMW bike for sale too but that one didn't talk to me as much (yet). Maybe I should get both to "play it safe".?

I find that I have little interest in researching bikes (with or without motors) & just want to ride. I do appreciate well built stuff though.

Case in point - I stopped to see a friend, who happens to be a welder with insane talent. We are chatting & he is asking questions about my Yeti mt. bike. He points out 2 or 3 items on the bike that I hadn't noticed or thought about in 9 months of owning it. In my defense, they aren't readily noticeable from the cockpit. ;)

I found out, after I bought the mt. bike, that a friend of mine designed the bike. Mind blown!

Great update BTW. Why do we kill ourselves with tasks right before vacation?
 

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I have done it with motorcycles and another truck. The caveat is it has to be older than 15 years. VT doesn't issue titles for vehicles older than 15 years, only a registration (and plates of course) but other states will accept this as an official ownership document and then issue you a new title. It won't work for trying to get a street title for a dirt bike as those VINs are flagged.

So no need to go there. Download the form and mail a check with a bill of sale (which does not need to be notarized) and you're good to go. Lots of hot rods, customs and abandoned vehicles seem to begin life again in VT...

Gregor

Oh, this is fantastic. All of my bikes qualify for Historic or Classic plates in Indiana. I have two cherry donors that were titled in Indiana so I can't register them here because I don't have the original title to transfer. But I can buy a new frame to get a BOS and go that route through VT! Hopefully Indiana will not make it difficult.

Thanks Gregor.
 

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Ding! Beat me to it.

Gregor - I assume you are hauling a bike to CO? I am getting squirrelly to ride from Boulder to Winter Park via trails & dirt roads.

I was looking at a KTM 525EXC yesterday that is for sale a few blocks from my house. Any thoughts on that bike / motor? It looked to be in decent shape with just enough wrong with it to peak my interest. I know you can relate to that. The same place had a BMW bike for sale too but that one didn't talk to me as much (yet). Maybe I should get both to "play it safe".?

I find that I have little interest in researching bikes (with or without motors) & just want to ride. I do appreciate well built stuff though.

Case in point - I stopped to see a friend, who happens to be a welder with insane talent. We are chatting & he is asking questions about my Yeti mt. bike. He points out 2 or 3 items on the bike that I hadn't noticed or thought about in 9 months of owning it. In my defense, they aren't readily noticeable from the cockpit. ;)

I found out, after I bought the mt. bike, that a friend of mine designed the bike. Mind blown!

Great update BTW. Why do we kill ourselves with tasks right before vacation?

What model BMW? Ah hell, just buy both...

KTMs are kind of like the super cars of the 2 wheel world... great fast bikes but they require more routine maintenance than Hondas, Suzukis, Kawis, or Yamahas...
How much time do you want to invest in maintenance? How fast do you want to go? I do a lot of research... on everything I'm interested in so I researched dual sports a couple years back. I basically boiled the bikes down to size and my list ended up with a Yamaha 250 in the top spot for me, followed by a Suzuki 400 with the Kawasaki KLR 650 nipping on the Suzuki's heels. I didn't include KTMs in my list because they are more expensive, require more maintenance, and the local dealer is an ***hole. Now that I've had bikes and I am building street bikes, I would buy a KTM 250 if the price was right.
 
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Oh, this is fantastic. I can buy a new frame to get a BOS and go that route through VT! Hopefully Indiana will not make it difficult.

Thanks Gregor.

It's pretty easy to make a bill of sale - no need to buy something. My wife sold me the truck I had that needed a title. Maybe you have a wife. Or a friend. Just saying...:evil:

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Ding! Beat me to it.

Gregor - I assume you are hauling a bike to CO? I am getting squirrelly to ride from Boulder to Winter Park via trails & dirt roads.

I was looking at a KTM 525EXC yesterday that is for sale a few blocks from my house. Any thoughts on that bike / motor? It looked to be in decent shape with just enough wrong with it to peak my interest. I know you can relate to that.

I had a 525 and it was a killer bike. Light, super powerful and very reliable if you took care of it. It's not a BMW f650 in terms of the lack of maintenance but it's more powerful and almost half the weight. I spent a lot of time chasing my brother on the trails above Boulder (also on a 525) and it was an amazing bike to ride. I saved so much money on front tires...

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In fact I might consider selling my 200EXC to find a 525 again myself. I miss having a powerful open class bike that likes to wheelie in any gear. The one thing to be careful of is it has a 1 quart capacity so the oil needs to be changed regularly. I had a cooler on mine that expanded the oil capacity by another quart which gave the bike an easier maintenance schedule. Pain to work on if you're not familiar with KTM's but such a fun bike.

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If there was ever an example of location framing, this must be it:

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That's a super cool build thread..and a great project. If you decide to run this on used cooking oil, you'll be my hero :) If any of my kids ever complain about anything, I'm sending them to visit Josh. His story, attitude and obvious work ethic that comes through in that thread are simply exemplary.

http://forum.expeditionportal.com/threads/171560-Not-So-Subtle-Shuttle-100-Satisfaction-Guarenteed/

Thanks!

Yeah, when I saw that with the exhaust looping up I set myself up on the other side and waited until Josh started to work there and then I shot a bunch to find the shot that I thought worked. And you're right - Josh is a badass. I'd like to say that I find him to be really capable or something despite his obvious handicap but the truth is he's more capable than most people and he never mentions it or asks for help - he just gets **** done and I don't think of him as "handicapped".

And yes, I would love to do some more research on veggie oil. I would love a Transit or Sprinter but they aren't as capable off road as one of these vans and running the diesel on fry oil is one way to mitigate it's mileage disadvantage. The end goal would be to get a second tank where the spare lives and MG makes a 55 gallon unit combined with the 35 gallon stock tank and the van's already decent mileage (we'll see what it is post conversion but 16-18 shouldn't be unreasonable I hope) would yield a zombie apocolypse range of well over 1000 miles and maybe as much as 1500 miles with full tanks.

That would be quite cool and would allow me to dedicate one of the tanks to fry oil so I can feel better about my self...

Gregor
 

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Gregor, as a former biodiesel maker, with diesel prices the way they are now...its not even worth your time. Even if you go with SVO (straight vegetable oil - that has not been converted to biodiesel) its still a headache. Just my $0.02.
 

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The guy above is named Josh and he works with Michael of MG Metalworks and does much of the disassembly and preparation of the vans that Michael does for customers. He's an Afganistan vet and despite having lost both of his legs he is a demon with a set of wrenches and can just tear a van down like no one's business.

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Gregor, Josh is a perfect example of someone doing what they love and not dwelling on what they can or can't do -- just doing. I have no surveys or scientific evidence but I think people who cope with their disability shudder at the thought of a different kind of disability. Hard as it is for me to imagine life without my legs, I bet Josh feels the same way about life without his arm. That and we both feel for those with more missing limbs or eyesight or living with their head stuck up their ****** (a truly terrible but common disability).

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Re: Mid-Century Moto Mecca Makeover!

Thanks!

Yeah, when I saw that with the exhaust looping up I set myself up on the other side and waited until Josh started to work there and then I shot a bunch to find the shot that I thought worked. And you're right - Josh is a badass. I'd like to say that I find him to be really capable or something despite his obvious handicap but the truth is he's more capable than most people and he never mentions it or asks for help - he just gets **** done and I don't think of him as "handicapped".

And yes, I would love to do some more research on veggie oil. I would love a Transit or Sprinter but they aren't as capable off road as one of these vans and running the diesel on fry oil is one way to mitigate it's mileage disadvantage. The end goal would be to get a second tank where the spare lives and MG makes a 55 gallon unit combined with the 35 gallon stock tank and the van's already decent mileage (we'll see what it is post conversion but 16-18 shouldn't be unreasonable I hope) would yield a zombie apocolypse range of well over 1000 miles and maybe as much as 1500 miles with full tanks.

That would be quite cool and would allow me to dedicate one of the tanks to fry oil so I can feel better about my self...

Gregor

My main assembly team member is missing most of his left hand. He out performs every able "handed" person around him.

I encountered a fellow traveling across Canada who stopped me (I was in a Westfalia at the time) to ask directions to the local Chinese restaurant in Terrace Bay, a small North shore community. He was looking for used cooking oil for his pickup truck with camper. As he drove away, my family commented, "smells like french fries". We saw him again on the same drive pumping used cooking oil through a filter into his tanks. He had only spent $90 in fuel to cross Canada to that point.

I'm looking forward to more of your pics of Josh doing his thing.

Gregor, Josh is a perfect example of someone doing what they love and not dwelling on what they can or can't do -- just doing. I have no surveys or scientific evidence but I think people who cope with their disability shudder at the thought of a different kind of disability. Hard as it is for me to imagine life without my legs, I bet Josh feels the same way about life without his arm. That and we both feel for those with more missing limbs or eyesight or living with their head stuck up their ****** (a truly terrible but common disability).

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What Bob said ^^
 
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Gregor,

Reading through the van thread I have a few notes, but since im not a member of that forum, I'll post them here.

For veggie oil/biodiesel, I probably don't have to tell you this, but do your homework. I had the inkling to do that myself, but after reading posts of the 100,000 mile engines running veggie oil and what it did to the internals, I backed off. It was terrible, the crankcase or in some cases entire top end of the motor covered in congealed goo the engine now had to slog through, premature turbo failures, and more on engines that had more maintenance and care than both my cars put together.

For the van itself, I see a lot of people doing 15+ front end conversions, not required but LED/HID's would be neat eh?

Last thing I've got, I know you already picked tires, but the Yokohama Geolander AT M+S are amazing tires, a little quieter than The TKO's, a little less agressive, better mileage and on road manners, and last forever. Also do really well off road, maybe not to the extent the TKO's do, but still, for what you're using the van for, probably perfect.

Awesome van, loving the entire thread.
 
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So I have a more thorough update on the van's build thread but I'll cover the highlights here.

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Josh has been spending his time prepping the van which means grinding off brackets and metal that need to be removed and bolting on the brackets that are to be installed to hold the new F250 axles.

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New rear leaf springs are installed and since we discovered that the first axle was bent we've had to find another but the work continued on the rear.

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While I could have used my stock axle, van axles are narrower than pickup axles so we would have needed to add spacers for the rear wheels. Not a big deal but then MG found a good deal on a Sterling 10.5 with an electric locker. It was more money but it seemed worth it to get the wider axle with the bigger brakes and an electronic locker as well. Go big or go home right?

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The transmission came back from the builder prepped with a new tail housing and shaft to accept the transfer case that is needed to split the power between the new axles.

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The new front axle showed up yesterday...

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And needed a bit of prep work. While the rust looks bad the casting is so heavy and the steel so dense it was pretty easy to clean up.

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With the axle in position in front of the truck the springs are attached and then it's rolled under the van to meet it's destiny.

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Once under it's hooked up in position and then the van body is lowered onto the axles so that the rear axles location and rotation can be set to align with the transfer case.

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Michael then calculates all the needed dimensions and angles so the custom driveshafts can be made. Note that right now he's comfortably laying under the van and it's no longer being supported by the lift.

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I've been thinking and planning this van for about a year - to see it on it's sitting on it's own is pretty amazing. These photos are of the van supported on it's own - the lift is not holding it up. I was wholly unprepared to see the van sitting on it's own axles.

It is massive.

Way taller than I expected. It looks exactly like I'd imagined and that's a pretty cool feeling. Still, there's much work to be done both on the van and at home before we can head out for our family vacation.

For a lot more photos check out the van's build thread.

Gregor
 
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