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So not a Ducati then. Unless Gregor needs a helicopter to go to visit Shahin. KTM 890?
Not long before Gregor's last East Oregon Rev'it shoot my KTM 1290 R was stolen. Bummer because Gregor was going to use that bike for one of the riders on the trip. Anyway after that I looked at Ducatis to replace it but decided is wasn't well suited to the kind of riding Gregor and I usually do. The KTM 950/990 Adventure is kind of the platonic form of a rowdy adventure bike and compared to that the Duc is nearly twice as powerful but the suspension and wheels aren't as adept at rough stuff and the Ducati weighs over 100 lbs more than the KTM 950. When you've got to pick one up or turn around a bike in an awkward spot that's a really, really big deal. I also like a Rekluse clutch, especially on a big bike and there isn't one for the Ducati and I'll be stunned if there ever is one. Those issued compounded for me when I heard about how the Rev'it trip went. In the end the Duc felt less capable for the kind of riding I like to do than the 15 year old bikes I already have.

I still wanted an Adventure bike with more rider aids, a little more modern. I found a lightly used KTM 890 Adventure R and couldn't be more pleased. Its damn near perfect.
 
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Not long before Gregor's last East Oregon Rev'it shoot my KTM 1290 R was stolen. Bummer because Gregor was going to use that bike for one of the riders on the trip. Anyway after that I looked at Ducatis to replace it but decided is wasn't well suited to the kind of riding Gregor and I usually do. The KTM 950/990 Adventure is kind of the platonic form of a rowdy adventure bike and compared to that the Duc is nearly twice as powerful but the suspension and wheels aren't as adept at rough stuff and the Ducati weighs over 100 lbs more than the KTM 950. When you've got to pick one up or turn around a bike in an awkward spot that's a really, really big deal. I also like a Rekluse clutch, especially on a big bike and there isn't one for the Ducati and I'll be stunned if there ever is one. Those issued compounded for me when I heard about how the Rev'it trip went. In the end the Duc felt less capable for the kind of riding I like to do than the 15 year old bikes I already have.

I still wanted an Adventure bike with more rider aids, a little more modern. I found a lightly used KTM 890 Adventure R and couldn't be more pleased. Its damn near perfect.

I completely agree. The Duc is awesome, but it is no 950. I am biased, there is a black 950 in my garage too, and there is nothing just like it, but that 890 R is as close as it gets, and better at everything but being a 950.

Even getting hold of a new 890 R is hard, finding a used one I assume is even harder. I am doing my best to just stick to the 950, but that new 990 might be just the thing. Or even the 490, should it ever be sold with decent parts.
 

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Not long before Gregor's last East Oregon Rev'it shoot my KTM 1290 R was stolen. Bummer because Gregor was going to use that bike for one of the riders on the trip. Anyway after that I looked at Ducatis to replace it but decided is wasn't well suited to the kind of riding Gregor and I usually do. The KTM 950/990 Adventure is kind of the platonic form of a rowdy adventure bike and compared to that the Duc is nearly twice as powerful but the suspension and wheels aren't as adept at rough stuff and the Ducati weighs over 100 lbs more than the KTM 950. When you've got to pick one up or turn around a bike in an awkward spot that's a really, really big deal. I also like a Rekluse clutch, especially on a big bike and there isn't one for the Ducati and I'll be stunned if there ever is one. Those issued compounded for me when I heard about how the Rev'it trip went. In the end the Duc felt less capable for the kind of riding I like to do than the 15 year old bikes I already have.

I still wanted an Adventure bike with more rider aids, a little more modern. I found a lightly used KTM 890 Adventure R and couldn't be more pleased. Its damn near perfect.
Ben, is Gregor bringing your bike back, or did he find one as well?
 

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Ben, is Gregor bringing your bike back, or did he find one as well?
I found mine 20 miles from my house, 1000 miles on it and $2000 below new list price. Previous owner low sided it on gravel, broke his ankle, and decided it wasn’t the bike for him. Gregor gave me a ride out to Boring, OR to pick it up and I guess he liked the looks of my “new” bike. He immediately started researching and Gregor is The Wizard of Craigslist. He found his bike it Colorado which was close enough to Taco de Mexico in Denver that he took it as a sign.

In the couple of weeks I’ve had mine while he was searching I kept suggesting he ride mine to try it out but he wouldn’t. Saving himself for the experience of riding his own I suppose.

In some ways we’re so “twins-y” it’s beyond a joke. The Venn diagram includes everything but his vintage fans and my guitars.
 

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Can you explain it to me?
As a Brit it means nothing to me (y)
Gregor’s favorite burrito place is in Denver, Colorado and I’m convinced he’ll go a couple hundred miles out of his way to eat there. It really is great if anyone finds themselves in Colorado.
 

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If there is any real downside to living in Japan it has to be the distance from a really good burrito. There are some people over here who do their best, but there are just too many critical compromises that must be made to be able to really make something respectable (I don't say authentic because that would likely start some kind of tex-mex holy war in Sakurama's thread.) Hard to build a nice house when all you've got are twigs...
 

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If there is any real downside to living in Japan it has to be the distance from a really good burrito. ...
While not an insignificant complaint, it is more than offset by the plethora of available sushi you're surrounded by. I'm confident in this claim only because I may have attempted to eat my weight in Sushi while in Japan. More than once.

Looking forward to Gregor's New Bike Day post.
 
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So yes, I bought a new KTM 890 Adventure. Well, not actually "new" it was used with 32 miles on it and had a full accessory catalog thrown at it.

In going through my photos this morning I can see that once again when I decide to shoot video I stop taking as many still images. There's a hopefully good turn to this since I've decided that if I'm going to try to turn the moto side of my life into a business I need to get help with the parts I struggle with. So I'm hiring a young guy to help me edit the video which is the pinch point for me. This trip is the test project for him so we'll see how that works out.

So how did I end up with a new bike?

Typical mission creep. The decision to make the bike tour a real business meant I needed to have a reliable bike. The BMW has broken down the last two trips and while I continue to refine it and fix issues there's always a new one - it's just not reliable yet and until then it's a novelty bike.

I could have bought another 990 but I've done that and they're climbing in value anyway. $8-9k for a low mileage 990 is not too far from a used 790 for $10-11k and that's what I was leaning towards as the lightest adventure bike out there. Then Ben bought his bike and, as usual, he had done the research and the 890 was a more developed platform. My main reason for wanting an 890 was the better low end power for slow speed work.

Once I decided I wanted an 890 I didn't really want to ride one. I knew I'd like it and I made peace with the idea of the parallel twin so I wanted to be surprised when I road it. I'd read enough to know I wasn't going to not like it so it felt fun to wait.

Then I started searching - everywhere.

There just aren't many used 890's since they're a 2021 model. I looked at a new bike but the $1500 in extras the dealer charges rubbed me the wrong way and honestly there's no decent KTM dealers I'd want to give my business to now that SEE SEE closed. I found a few here and there but if they were under 14k they sold in a day. This bike was priced at $17.5 so it was way over a new price but the owner had put on about $5k in accessories. Because of the price I skipped over it like everyone else.

Then, after all the other bikes in 1000 mile radius had sold, I looked at it again. He'd put pretty much all the stuff on I'd want to do anyway so I called him. It turned out it was Court Butler of Butler Motorcycle Maps. The bike was built for a documentary and he could no longer participate and had several other bikes so was just selling it off. He knocked off $1000 for a cash deal and I decided that, yes, it was very close to Taco De Mexico and, secondarily, my family, so I pulled the trigger and bought a one way ticket to Denver for $49.

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This is an embarrassing amount of tech in the cockpit. I'm going to get rid of the Garmin and the TrailTech and simplify it down to either a phone GPS or an iPad GPS dash. The Quad-Lock cases and chargers are great and they don't make them for iPads so that might be the deciding factor.

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I packed limited clothing, a tool roll, a GoPro and borrowed my son's Mavic Mini (all my drones are broken...) into my Giant Loop tail bag and hopped on a 5am flight to Colorado.

I met Court, a super nice guy, picked up the bike in 95F heat, got my burrito and headed to see my mom in Salida. The bike was so clean it was intimidating, at first. After a few hundred miles it became comfortable. Court sent me a GPS track from Salida to Eagle where his office is and so on Saturday morning I met up with family for breakfast, filled the tank and headed up Hagerman Pass.

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I was extremely nervous about doing the pass on my own - especially because it was signed as "Closed" which could be a warning or a legitimate impassible road. It's listed as an "easy" 4wd road but impassible by 2wd and you never really know what that means for a bike. If I dropped the bike off a ledge or something and couldn't pick it up I'd be in trouble. Luckily I passed a Jeep and they assured me the "Road Closed" sign was just for "flatlanders" and that it went through so off I went.

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It turned out to be a pretty straightforward pass - a little rocky but not too tricky. The bike was nimble, light and easy to ride. The only troubling thing was the massive storm clouds that had been swirling around. It was nice that the weather was cooler but having seen how fast flash floods happen in Colorado I did not want to get stuck in one.

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It rained off and on but the huge black clouds stayed off to my side until I'd met up with Court at the Butler Maps HQ where he loaded me up with cool maps and I headed north. Just after Eagle it started to really rain. Hard. It got so dark the dash switched to night display and headlights lit up the road and it was only 5pm.

I had thought I'd just punch through any rain storms so I didn't put in the rain liners which make the suit hotter. Big mistake. The rain started filling my boots as it soaked my chest and arms. I kept looking for anything with a tiny bit of shelter but saw nothing until I got to State Bridge and stopped at the log cabins.

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As I was putting in my rain liners the owner of the place, Mason, came out to see if I needed anything. I joked that I was an idiot who forgot Colorado weather and didn't pack a sweater but that I was fine and just needed to put my liners in. He said, "Oh, I used to own a snow board company and I have a ton of sweaters - come with me!" and he pulled out a nice warm Arcteryx sweater and just gave it to me.

"Where are you staying tonight?" he asked. I said I had no plan and he offered me a cabin and dinner for free. How could I refuse?

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We had a great meal and a good time talking about adventure touring and his plans for the old resort and cabins. He should be open by next year but luckily for me had a few rooms done for friends and family. It was the nicest bed I've slept in for a while and the sound of the river outside the window was really relaxing.

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The next day I took Courts suggestion for a series of small two lane roads that he classifies as "lost" and while the pavement was fine they were super isolated. One section was about 150 miles between services and I only passed a few trucks along the way. Luckily by then I'd discovered the bike can easily go 200-250 miles on a tank.

I planned to stop and have dinner with my friend Tom in Boise and because the rain Saturday I had to put in 800 miles Sunday. Luckily the bike has cruise control and it is perhaps my favorite modern feature of the whole bike. I'm sure I'll like traction control as some point but cruise control was the winner when I hit the interstate.

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After my 830 mile day (the seat is pretty comfortable) I got up at 5am Monday and was in Baker City, OR for breakfast. I had a client cancel a job later in the week so it meant I could take my time getting home so I peeled off and took 245 south and then explored some of the roads I want to include in the fall tour like this gem.

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I did not know how many fire roads were down inside this "former" forest until now after the fires. Sad but still beautiful.

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On my way home I saw a gravel pit and stopped to take some "before" photos. When I bought it I convinced myself that I was going to leave it stock. That lasted about 200 miles. I don't know what, exactly, my plans are but it's very close to being less than 400lbs and I'm nearly certain I can find the 20 or so pounds I need to get the bike into the 300's. Also, getting to sea level the bike was suddenly making way more power. Turns out the number is -3% per 1000' of elevation so it was a 15-20hp gain for this bike. Intake work is supposed to gain 5-10hp and I can't leave that on the table...

We'll see.

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It's probably not fair to compare this bike to a 950/990 especially since it's not broken in and the revs are limited to 6500 but in Colorado I thought it was about the same power. I think the description I used on Instagram was, "It feels like the 950 joined a gym, lost 50lbs, took up yoga and started seeing a therapist to work through issues."

I'll stick with that.

It has all the soul of the 950 (but not quite the exhaust note) but is lighter both in weight and in feel, handles better and more easily, the suspension is more plush and the power is equal. Once I got to sea level the 890 starts to feel quicker and I suspect that it will only be more so when the dealer unlocks the last 3-4000 rpms.

So, 10/10 would buy again.

I struggled for weeks with parting with that much cash but decided I'd sell my Guzzi and Ducati to both free up the cash and to simplify my life. I want to focus on Adventure bikes and refining them and this bike will be the standard for now. It strikes a balance of weight and power that works. The 690/701's miss the mark for me being neither powerful enough nor light enough. On pavement this bike could embarrass most sport bikes and given a few frost heaves or potholes in the road it would flat out disappear.

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I don't think it's as good looking as the 950's but not much is. I think a graphics kit could simplify the slash/splash looks and I might put on one of the UpShift topo kits as a nod to my old 950 but that said it's grown on me and I like the weird headlights and insect nose.

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I want to coax a few more hp from it so it rolls on wheelies as easily as the 990 did and then I'm just going to put miles on it and pay attention to how it works and see what I can learn from it.

So there you go. A brand new bike comes home via fly-n-ride. Tomorrow it gets it's service and the dealer will unlock the "rally pack" which gets you quick shifting and full traction control. I'm sure it will be a different beast with all the revs unlocked.

Gregor
 
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So there you go. A brand new bike comes home via fly-n-ride. Tomorrow it gets it's service and the dealer will unlock the "rally pack" which gets you quick shifting and full traction control. I'm sure it will be a different beast with all the revs unlocked.

Gregor
why do you have to get the bike flashed to get those goodies? Are they not normal options for the bike?
 

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Another great looking adventure Gregor, thanks for sharing. :) Hope you take some of your tour groups back to those log cabins!

We're currently in week 5 or 6 of lockdown* as they struggle to get the Delta strain under control because we've got really low vaccination rates, we can't travel more than 10km (6 miles) from home. Really hanging for some roadtrips and adventures. Love watching yours in the mean time.

* I can't actually remember, time's become amorphous at this stage. :dunno:
 
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why do you have to get the bike flashed to get those goodies? Are they not normal options for the bike?
Many bikes these days are this way. They have hardware installed for cruise control, quickshifter, etc and sell the software unlock as a way to get a low sales price point. The “rally mode” is a setting that allows you to mitigate the nanny qualities of traction control (allows wheelies, adjustable degree of rear wheel slip for more fun and ravenous tire consumption.) Maybe the less conservative settings being an upgrade you have to request gives them some liability deniability when some ding dong high-sides.
 
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why do you have to get the bike flashed to get those goodies? Are they not normal options for the bike?

Like Ben said, it's probably to get more $. Bit of a shame really.

Another great looking adventure Gregor, thanks for sharing. :) Hope you take some of your tour groups back to those log cabins!

We're currently in week 5 or 6 of lockdown* as they struggle to get the Delta strain under control because we've got really low vaccination rates, we can't travel more than 10km (6 miles) from home. Really hanging for some roadtrips and adventures. Love watching yours in the mean time.

* I can't actually remember, time's become amorphous at this stage. :dunno:

Sorry to hear about the resurgence. We've got an excess of vaccines for everyone now but are similarly struggling to get hesitant people to get the shot so we can get to the tipping point of 70% for herd immunity. I know some people just won't do it and there's no arguing there but if anyone, and I mean anyone, who has not done it out of laziness or procrastination I'd urge you to do it now. The strains are getting worse and the vaccine gives you nearly 100% chance of not dying. Not dying is a pretty great benefit - one of the best actually.

Hopefully we'll dodge a second lock down. In the mean time I'll try to do enough riding for the both of us!

Gregor
 

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@sakurama , please stop writing about the 890. I recently lowsided my 950 and insurance is covering everything. If I sell of the old beast, I might be able to afford one. I think, maybe, I might die if I get one. If so, my wife did it.

I have been able to stick to my old bike just looking at your old 950-thread. If you start fixing the issues with the 890, I probably won't be able resist.

That is me saying, please show us what you can do with the 890 platform. But what about that all new 990 coming next year?
If you can get it under 400, I will be impressed. There is not much extra on those it seems. Maybe wheels? Certainly Woodys. 19/17?
 

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Nice bike Gregor.

Two years on our last day of our annual Ouray/Silverton trip, my wife and I decided to make a quick run over Ophir Pass in our Jeep before we left for home the next day. I know running trails alone isn't the best idea but our friends had left earlier that day and I felt comfortable as it really isn't that bad of a trail. We were the only ones going up from the Silverton side but as we were approaching the summit a guy on a bike came up to us and asked that we wait to descend as his buddies were struggling coming up the other side. We said no problem, so we just pulled off near the top of the pass as we know uphill traffic has the right of way and the section down over the summit is a narrow one-way rocky shelf road section.

As time went on we noticed they were not coming up and the narrow section is only about a mile long. After waiting for about 15-minutes I said screw it and started to approach the summit and over the top as I recalled there being a couple of pull-outs on the two switchbacks just prior to the narrow one-way section so I figured we could always pull out in one of those.

We slowly started the descent and saw no one at the first switchback so against my wife's protest, I approached the second switchback. As we pulled up to the switchback I could see the guys in various places spread out along the mile section of narrow shelf road so I pulled off and waited a bit more. As we watched I could see the guys struggling severely keeping the bikes upright and making any progress at all. By this time another Jeep pulled up behind us, this guy and his aging father were from Minnesota so we sat and visited for a few additional minutes in the pull-out.

As we were now approaching nearly a half-hour delay since we first approached the summit and it being almost 4pm and not wanting to get back to camp in the dark me and the guy from Minnesota decided to walk down to see if we could assist. The first guy was VERY appreciative and welcomed our help. He had a big heavy 990 Adventure bike loaded with panniers and about every navigation and comfort accessory you could load on a bike. It took both me and the guy from Minnesota to pick the bike up as the rider/owner had gotten pissed and just threw the bike to the side of the trail, which was only inches from a 600-800 foot drop-off. Once we got the bike upright we commenced on helping the guy get back on and get going. Also worth noting is that this short section of shelf road is full of very loose shale rock that moves and slides around while driving over it which made a motorcycle a somewhat poor choice of transportation for this trail, especially for what I would call average riders. This section even makes some people nervous in four-wheeled Jeeps as the rocks move around so bad. As we got the first guy going he quickly started to slip and slide around and headed for the edge of the road. Just before the edge he jumped off and threw the bike to the side nearly going over the edge himself. The bikes mirror, front fairing and front brake lever all broke as the bike went down and he rolled his ankle.

By this time another group of Jeeps had pulled up behind ours at the top and a couple guys came down to help. Me and the guy from Minnesota walked the bike up the last section of the hill and parked it next to the row of Jeeps that was now forming. A couple of other guys helped the injured rider walk up to his bike but his buddy that was first over the hill and notified us there were more coming was long gone and nowhere to be seen. Some friend huh?

As I caught my breath as we were at slightly over 10k feet elevation we headed back down to the next guy. This guys was also on a heavy bike but was a bit of an ******* and wouldn't let us help him or even touch his bike when we offered to walk alongside and assist. He was insistent on riding it up himself and was not shy about telling us to leave him the hell alone. The next two guys below him were barely getting into the shale rock and they both turned around and headed down to the area where the dirt road started changing to shale rock.

Myself and the guy from Minnesota started walking back up towards our Jeeps as our help was obviously not wanted. As we were getting close to our Jeeps and stopping routinely to catch our breath the group of Jeeps that had pulled up behind ours started down the trail. As they passed us they asked about the rider just below. We told them he wouldn't let us help him and was insisting on riding his bike up the steep rocky pass. They said the hell with it and continued down and as they passed the guy on the bike he threw it into the side of the hill and sat on the ground then proceeded to exchange some not so pleasant words with the group of Jeeps passing him.

Finally reaching our Jeeps and catching our breath again my wife and I along with the guy and his father from Minnesota began the descent down the pass and as we approached the guy sitting on the side of the road the guy's father in the passenger seat of the Jeep in front of us asked if the guy could move his bike just a little bit more so they wouldn't have to get so close to the drop-off. He told the guy to go F**k himself, then when he steered towards the bike I told my wife "this isn't going to be good" but he turned back away barely missing the tires/wheels of the bike lying on the ground.

As my wife and I passed him I explained that his first buddy was nowhere to be seen and the guy ahead of him had a damaged bike and injured ankle and was waiting at the summit waiting for him. The guy wouldn't even look at my wife nor I and just sat there staring at the downed bike.

When we reached the two guys at the bottom of the shale rock area we told them the same thing and that their friend up near the top half of the rocky area was a bit of an *** and wouldn't accept any help they both said "yeah, he's an ******* alright, we shouldn't have invited him along." Then they followed us back down into the town of Ophir. I scratched my head because they left two people on the trail and I wasn't quite sure what their plan was on getting everyone back together.

That was definitely one for the books, but we did make a couple of friends from Minnesota on that trail. :cool:

Sorry, for the long story Gregor but seeing your new bike immediately brought my mind back to that day on the trail in Colorado.
 
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Wow, Mike, not sure what to say. It's really hard for me to believe that people can be like that. It's so far away from how I approach things and try to act that I can't comprehend it. Also, it's sad when someone is out of their comfort zone and won't accept help.

You know as well as I that you need to be realistic about your skill level and ability when you decide to go off road. I've done Ofir pass on the old 950 - it was fun and not too tricky but if you're not prepared and your bike is loaded it can be hard.

I look at every single person on the trail as my next possible rescuer and, as you know, you go way out of your way to help anyone out on the trail. The Jeep I passed was super friendly and it gave me peace of mind to know I wasn't alone on the hill.

Gregor
 

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So the break-in period on the bike is forced on you? They actually lock the RPMs out? Weird. A long time ago, I read about the "hard break-in" method, looked into it more, and it made so much sense that I've done it with every bike that I've owned.

Three or four hard pulls to redline under load, shifting through all six gears, keeping the RPMs climbing throughout, letting the engine cool between. Then dump the oil, replace with fresh synthetic, ride away. I've done this with dirt bikes, street bikes, everything, and I've never had a problem. Hell, my R1's break-in was three laps around the track at pace, dump the oil, put in fresh oil and filter, ride the rest of the day. Six years and thousands of track miles later, it's still as strong as the day I bought it. My 250FX hasn't so much as had a valve adjustment in six years of riding, still going strong.

It makes me wonder if the low-RPM factory recommended break-in periods are to keep people from chucking their new bikes and suing...
 

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Wow, Mike, not sure what to say. It's really hard for me to believe that people can be like that. It's so far away from how I approach things and try to act that I can't comprehend it. Also, it's sad when someone is out of their comfort zone and won't accept help.

You know as well as I that you need to be realistic about your skill level and ability when you decide to go off road. I've done Ofir pass on the old 950 - it was fun and not too tricky but if you're not prepared and your bike is loaded it can be hard.

I look at every single person on the trail as my next possible rescuer and, as you know, you go way out of your way to help anyone out on the trail. The Jeep I passed was super friendly and it gave me peace of mind to know I wasn't alone on the hill.

Gregor

I agree Gregor. You never know when you'll need assistance yourself out on the trail so no sense in burning bridges that you may need later. Also, we're all out there to enjoy the trails no matter what your tool of adventure is so I don't know why someone would be pissed at others who were trying to help. I'm almost certain his day got worse but I also know for certain that no one in the dozen or so vehicles around us were going to go out of their way to help that idiot any more than they already attempted to. I was worried about if/where they would be able to meet back up with each other but I then realized that I had to quit worrying about it as it wasn't my monkey, not my circus.
 

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At last. Bikes again...and KTM.
Congrats. I would never have thought that you would go for a KTM again. Interesting.

400lbs - 181kg... into 300lbs. What is possible within reason:

Rims:
Narrower rims(Woodys?)
21" - 1.6"
18" - 2.5"
If you go this way you might have to inner tube since you have no safety bead on the narrow rims. I DIY tubelessed my own set of Haan wheels(21-1.85" 18-2.5") and it might be dangerous as the safety bead doesn´t exist in mine either. But hey... they are light and slays. Tire choices will become another point if you go this way. Good and bad. I´m running Mitas e09(dakar).

Battery:
Lithium...
Buy expensive or they lack the low/high voltage cut off. In general ****** BMS and crappy sourced battery cell.
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Truecousins(danish...high quality but very expensive). I´ll help if needed.

Brakes:
Get a grinder and take off that right side caliper and disc.

Airbox/intake:
hmm. Are there anything to gain here? Besides easy acces to the air filter?

Plastic:
Any where you could take off some useless plastic?

Centerstand?

Your bike tour endeavor sounds amazing. I really hope the video part will go just as well.

950 where it belongs. 150bhp and sand is just what you need(for a heavy *** bike...)
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So the break-in period on the bike is forced on you? They actually lock the RPMs out? Weird. A long time ago, I read about the "hard break-in" method, looked into it more, and it made so much sense that I've done it with every bike that I've owned.

So I guess it was just a shift light according to the mechanic but I swore that it cut the ignition any time I went over 7k. So honestly I'm not sure. Regardless it just came out of service and while the oil was dirty (expected) there was no metal, shavings or anything in the oil or the screens or filter so no damage to the motor from the extended run of non synthetic break in oil.

I agree with you on the hard break in - that's how I broke in all my race motors and I never had issues. Gentle break ins would often end up smoking because you never actually cut the cylinders and things glazed. So while I kept the revs low I was not gentle on the bike and was often doing hard full throttle pulls up to 7-8000. The back roads I took were all up and down, on and off so the perfect break in.

That said I did not expect to actually feel and hear and change in the motor just from the first oil change. The valves were making noise when I took it in - louder than they were at first - and now the bike is silent like a sewing machine. Full synthetic 10/60 and the tech pack installed - basically a download and oil change: $976!

But it's like butter now - so smooth. And unleashing the extra revs has made the front very light. So light it's exposed a slight head shake.

I agree Gregor. You never know when you'll need assistance yourself out on the trail so no sense in burning bridges that you may need later. Also, we're all out there to enjoy the trails no matter what your tool of adventure is so I don't know why someone would be pissed at others who were trying to help. I'm almost certain his day got worse but I also know for certain that no one in the dozen or so vehicles around us were going to go out of their way to help that idiot any more than they already attempted to. I was worried about if/where they would be able to meet back up with each other but I then realized that I had to quit worrying about it as it wasn't my monkey, not my circus.

You know when I stayed at the cabins a couple in a big Dodge Ram tried to drive around a closed gate on the other side of the river and ended up getting high sided. The signs said the road was closed, no 4wds, and the gate was locked. They walked over and asked Mason if he could help tow them out. He said he'd go take a look.

We hopped in his truck and threw some chains in and drove over without them. When we got there we saw they'd driven over grass, dug a rut trying to get around the gate and then tore up a lot of grass. We instantly saw how to get them out - pull them back down the hill with the help of gravity, but then Mason said, "You know, we could pull them out but they really messed up my neighbors road and field... I think I'm just going to let them pay the $400 tow bill. They should learn a lesson about locked gates."

I did not disagree with him even though I probably would have helped them.

So you're totally right - instant Karma for being a jerk.

As always Mike, I love your perspective.

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At last. Bikes again...and KTM.
Congrats. I would never have thought that you would go for a KTM again. Interesting.

400lbs - 181kg... into 300lbs. What is possible within reason:

So not 300 - but below 400. It's 464 with gas, supposedly. I'll put it on the scales now...

So with a couple or so gallons it's 447 so let's say it's about 425 oil no gas. That's my preferred baseline - oil, no gas. That is fair so big tanked bikes don't get dinged with full tank comparisons. So losing 25lbs doesn't seem like much of a stretch. I found photos of the 790 Concept - it's very slick.

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Battery - sure.

Brakes - no way. It needs all it can get. I almost went off the road when I tried a super deep 90mph corner entry. I might see if they can be swapped for Brembo mono blocks. For dirt they're fine.

Wheels - maybe. Probably. It's low hanging fruit and a Tubliss setup would solve the bead lock issue. Better for dirt less good for pavement but then again I really only care about dirt any more. So yeah. I think Woody overbuilds his wheels so I might try a set with slightly lighter spokes.

Intake, for sure. Rottweiler claims to have found 10hp at 6k with an intake kit - that's exactly where I'd like to see more hp. The carbon intake... hmm, not sure it's worth it.

I'm learning to weld Ti so a full exhaust might be a fun project and that's all free excess weight. Cat needs to go. Sorry, you know this tho.

No center stand.

No plastics and a carbon tank/monocoque tank subframe? Well, I think we'd find enough there to get to 350. But that would be a massive amount of work. Ti subframe? Hmm, not sure.

But 25lbs? Yeah, it's there. Rottwieler knocked 35lbs off their 790 Duke project getting it to 372 wet which is impressive.

I can't deny how good the KTM's are. They get me like nothing else. It feels good to be home.

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I run a single brembo monobloc on my HP2 enduro with a beringer 10 master cylinder and 320 mm disc. It's a pretty powerful setup although a 90 mph corner entry is way out my wheelhouse.

My forks are a WP conversion and the lower has an integrated radial caliper mount. I believe it is from a 540 SMR.

I know its a new bike but you really do want to modify it. The force is strong.
 

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BMW has been restricting the RPMs during break in on the S1000RR since 2010. We had one for a project bike at work and the dealer wouldn’t unleash it until we put 600 miles on the bike and the first oil change was done.
Man, that's crazy. I wonder what that dealer would say if the choice was between leaving with an uncorked S1000RR or leaving with a different bike from a different dealer...

Gregor, I realize that I was so caught off guard by the reported break-in neutering that skipped right past the part of congratulating you on your acquisition! I think were I in the market for an ADV, that would be the exact bike I'd look for. And (as you know), you'll come close to hitting your sub-400 lb. goal with the cat delete alone. Those suckers are heavy!
 

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If I may divert just for a short bit from the KTM world,... could you elaborate on how the drones died? If it was mentioned I missed it even on the reread (skim really). The dead drones were the Skydio 2, and the Mavic pro 2?
 
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They were unrelated.

The Skydio you don't really control so I can't exactly take credit for that. It's very good about tracking you and avoiding objects but the Achilles heel for the Skydio is power lines - they're very thin and singular unlike branches that are thin and bunched together giving the drone a fighting chance.

On the Rev'It! trip we'd found a really beautiful canyon with a twisty road and there were no power lines anywhere for miles - it seemed the perfect place. It did a great job and we got one really nice shot as it tracked us out of the canyon but then, a couple miles later, we came out of the canyon and suddenly a power line was crossing the road. I slowed down but didn't have the controller in my hand and it hit the power line - the only one in miles around. Broke a motor and scratched three lenses. It's still at the repair center two months later - Skydio service leaves A LOT to be desired.

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The Mavic is my fault.

You know how when you're learning you're really cautious? Then you start to get the hang of things and you feel really confident but actually you're still not that great? That's me. I think I'm good but the truth is I'm not quite as good as I think. That middle area is always the most dangerous. So I was flying it at a winery and had nailed all my shots and was doing some really nicely controlled rotations, dollies and pulls and then I saw a path through trees. My assistant was looking over my shoulder and I said, "Let's see if I can fly through the path..."

No.

The screen was dark, it was just after sunset, and I didn't see a branch and caught a prop about 5' off the ground. It shouldn't have been a big deal and should have just dropped to the ground but for some reason it flung itself into a tree and broke an arm and the gimbal. Mavic repaired it in one week.

I may have my license but I'm not an expert yet.

Gregor
 

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Nice purchase Gregor. I have a 790 myself and it's been a great bike. The electronics on this bike are awesome, although I did not get the quick shifter as I didn't want to be bumping the shifter off-roading and changing gears when not wanted. Maybe that's just silly. You will have to let me know how you get along with yours.


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I would strongly recommend removing the clutch oil jet and cleaning the jet and the oil port behind it with a magnet and confirming that you can actually slide a piece of wire thru the jet. There can be a large amount of swarf in there from machining operations somewhere in the motor or break-in and it can cause your clutch to fry. The oil jet is only 0.3mm so it does not take much. Mine was actually undersized and there was a fair amount of swarf behind it at the first service. Of course most dealers don't know anything about it so never check it like mine didn't, even after I specifically asked them to do so. I just checked mine with a piece of copper wire that was 0.28 (it was the closest thing I had to 0.3mm). I couldn't get the wire thru so I bored it out with a pin drill and removed any swarf from the shaft with a magnet and also tried to cycle some oil thru the shaft by turning the motor over without starting it. I have since replaced the oil jet with a new one and also confirmed the new one is sized correctly.

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I have since replaced the oil jet with a new one and also confirmed the new one is sized correctly. Today actually. I did get a tiny bit more swarf this time too. I could even be left from last time as my magnet does not fit in the shaft. This time I magnetised a pick and got all the way in there. Your body will thank you if you set all your clickers to the off road settings. Much plusher than the comfort settings and still handles just fine on the road. They say to run the oil at the top of the sight glass now, rather than in the middle. Watch for rocks getting stuck between the swing arm and the cat. You can see the corresponding grinding locations on both the swing arm and the cat. I am going to try running with no cat so the **** can just fall thru. Hopefully it's not too noisy. Seemed OK in the drive way. Plus it removes about 8 lbs from the bike. I just bought the cheap chinesium version from Alliexpress to try it out. It was only 60.00 CND to my door. I'm sure you can just make your own! There, a cool project idea for you. You are welcome! :)

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2 other things that are a must in my opinion on this bike are the support brace for the headlight pod and the longer clutch actuator arm. I got mine at CamelADV.com but there are others on the market. Another great project idea is a 2 piece prop rod rather than a heavy center stand. It can be used to prop either the front or rear wheel off the ground for field maintenmence or tire repair. Just needs a couple locator holes in your skid plate.

Congratulations on the new bike, Scott J
 
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Also anyone on the fence thinking about an 890, but unable to find one. Grab yourself a used or leftover 790. Still a fantastic bike that most besides Chris Birch won't be able to take advantage of the differences between the two anyways. Plus you can get a re-flash, air intake and pipe and be up to the 890 power levels.
 

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I'm blown away at the quality of all your photo's! Love the new bike, I can only dream of a trip like that on an awesome bike 🍻
 

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Wow. Once again I'm convinced that this is my favorite thread on GJ. Thanks Gregor for all the time and effort you put into your writing and pictures.
 
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Nice purchase Gregor. I have a 790 myself and it's been a great bike. The electronics on this bike are awesome, although I did not get the quick shifter as I didn't want to be bumping the shifter off-roading and changing gears when not wanted. Maybe that's just silly. You will have to let me know how you get along with yours.

I would strongly recommend removing the clutch oil jet and cleaning the jet and the oil port behind it with a magnet and confirming that you can actually slide a piece of wire thru the jet.

Thanks, I will take a look at that.

As for the quick shifter - it's fantastic. I've had them on race bikes but this one is much more slick and smooth. You have to get your head around the idea of not letting off the gas and just clicking up but it's very smooth. You can also downshift without the clutch as well, it's nearly as smooth as up.

For anyone who isn't familiar a quick shifter senses the pressure of your foot on the shift lever and momentarily cuts the ignition to take the pressure off the gears and to let the revs fall to a speed match at which point the shift effortlessly engages the next gear with zero stress to the transmission or motor. All of this happens in fractions of a second.

You can do the same thing - clutchless upshifts - on any bike; slightly pressure the shift lever as you're accelerating, the gears are under pressure from the motor so they shouldn't disengage with light pressure. As you get to your shift point you can quickly shut the throttle ever so slightly and that pressure on the shifter will instantly move the ****** to the next higher gear as the pressure comes off the gear train. It's not as seamless as a quick shifter but it's fun and harmless to the transmission.

Downshifting is similar but you reverse the process and blip the throttle to match the revs to the road speed of the lower gear.

These are techniques that you can practice to smooth out your inputs to the bike which should always be your goal - shifting should not be felt, it should be seamless power up and down. This is something I learned from Reg Pridmore who was the smoothest rider I've ever met. I'm always practicing this.

Your body will thank you if you set all your clickers to the off road settings. Much plusher than the comfort settings and still handles just fine on the road. They say to run the oil at the top of the sight glass now, rather than in the middle. Watch for rocks getting stuck between the swing arm and the cat.

It's funny but I never touch anything when I get a new bike. Some people immediately mess with all that but I never do. I will ride the bike in whatever condition it's in and basically file this away as a baseline. Now that I'm home and I'm used to it I'm going to take your suggestion and change the clickers. So far the suspension seems great but I'd like some more plushness and sag.

I've decided on a cat delete - I'm getting a titanium one that has a bit of a restriction to match the stock pipe and also to keep it from being too loud.

2 other things that are a must in my opinion on this bike are the support brace for the headlight pod and the longer clutch actuator arm. I got mine at CamelADV.com but there are others on the market. Another great project idea is a 2 piece prop rod rather than a heavy center stand. It can be used to prop either the front or rear wheel off the ground for field maintenmence or tire repair. Just needs a couple locator holes in your skid plate.

Congratulations on the new bike, Scott J

I'm confused about the whole headlight thing - it seems like the lower brace would take any pressure off the bottom mount but the Camel part looks easy enough. Ben also mentioned the prop rod. I've seen a few and was considering the center stand but I think you're right and I'll make one to keep in the side panel.

Thanks for the tips.

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Then you start to get the hang of things and you feel really confident but actually you're still not that great? That's me. I think I'm good but the truth is I'm not quite as good as I think. That middle area is always the most dangerous.
Thanks for the response Gregor. I think I must live in that middle area, I could draw a map of that area including all the entrances.... but none of the exits. :confused:
 

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Yeah, that sky was a warning not heeded. It was so stunning and so wild looking. We couldn't tell which way the weather was actually headed until we did a time lapse with the phone and could see the clouds were actually circling us. It looked like rain all around us but nothing was touching us. At 9pm it started to rain.


The Alvord is an incredible place...

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Not as artsy as Gregors shot but not many are.

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Sunrise from the hot springs... (When it was still rustic)



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The wind started blowing so strong the pegs holding the tent fly let go. Reached out and tied it down to the closest heavy object(s)




Gregor, I have rode some miles out in that country and have a few memorable spots you could consider for your tours. Local to you in West Linn and would gladly meet up.


Cheers

Chris
 

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So not 300 - but below 400. It's 464 with gas, supposedly. I'll put it on the scales now...



Battery - sure.

Brakes - no way. It needs all it can get. I almost went off the road when I tried a super deep 90mph corner entry. I might see if they can be swapped for Brembo mono blocks. For dirt they're fine.

Wheels - maybe. Probably. It's low hanging fruit and a Tubliss setup would solve the bead lock issue. Better for dirt less good for pavement but then again I really only care about dirt any more. So yeah. I think Woody overbuilds his wheels so I might try a set with slightly lighter spokes.

Intake, for sure. Rottweiler claims to have found 10hp at 6k with an intake kit - that's exactly where I'd like to see more hp. The carbon intake... hmm, not sure it's worth it.

I'm learning to weld Ti so a full exhaust might be a fun project and that's all free excess weight. Cat needs to go. Sorry, you know this tho.

No center stand.

No plastics and a carbon tank/monocoque tank subframe? Well, I think we'd find enough there to get to 350. But that would be a massive amount of work. Ti subframe? Hmm, not sure.

But 25lbs? Yeah, it's there. Rottwieler knocked 35lbs off their 790 Duke project getting it to 372 wet which is impressive.

I can't deny how good the KTM's are. They get me like nothing else. It feels good to be home.

Gregor
Below 400. I meant that.

Brakes - Since you are going mostly offroad your tire choice will be interesting. Dual 300mm brakes and a knobby? I think you will "out" brake your tire way before a single 300mm will show fading. But its where tire choice becomes exciting. Interesting.

Ti exhaust - yes. All in. Sorry for the Cat needs to go?! I´m confused?(Or you are thinking of my car park?) Its a good place to start. Go for it.

Ti rear frame?

Tubliss - i´ve seen and heard a lot of different horrors regarding this. Why not the complete tube less instead? Or are you gunning for low pressure? IMHO, run 1.4bar or there about and soften the initial suspension. Free of dented rims etc.

No matter what. This is going to be super to follow.

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Below 400. I meant that.

Brakes - Since you are going mostly offroad your tire choice will be interesting. Dual 300mm brakes and a knobby? I think you will "out" brake your tire way before a single 300mm will show fading. But its where tire choice becomes exciting. Interesting.

Tubliss - i´ve seen and heard a lot of different horrors regarding this. Why not the complete tube less instead? Or are you gunning for low pressure? IMHO, run 1.4bar or there about and soften the initial suspension. Free of dented rims etc.

No matter what. This is going to be super to follow.

Perhaps I'm older and not as cool but I think I may actually add brakes. Also, on tires, I'm not actually sure I'm going to go with something different than TKC's. I mean I actually love how they are so good (and not perfect) at road and off road. I mean they are just fabulous compromise tires and they give a lot of grip on pavement. It's part of why I'm hesitant to take off a caliper - the bike really rips on pavement and there's a lot of that between here and eastern Oregon.

I have a dirt bike - the 500 is a perfect dirt bike. I don't want to try to make the 890 a dirt bike - you and I have both been down that road of making a giant dirt bike. It's impressive and fun but it limits the usefulness.

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But yeah, I'm dying to know how it works with real knobbies...

I have been following Jimmy Lewis' advice on tire pressure: 25psi or 1.72bar. It seems to smooth things out and not destroy rims. The thing about a new set of rims is to get the real benefits you need to go narrow and the narrow rims don't have the safety beads to keep the tire from rolling off the rim. I've had a TCK roll off the rim way back in 2005 when Woody was experimenting with tubeless. It was the wake up call on those rims.

I feel like I don't have enough cool stuff planned to warrant a build thread but then again these things tend to (mission) creep. After all, I pulled my 950 swingarm to powder coat it black and then it became a two wheel drive 990.

So there's that.

Gregor
 
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