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sakurama

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So sorry for the long lapse. There's a lot of changes going on in my life at the moment. Not just the new business but more foundational ones as well. When I get in over my head, don't know what to do and how things will work out I tend to get quiet. But we'll get there.

But I'm over two months behind!

How did the trip go? Well, the first day was an unmitigated disaster. Honestly, unless someone had died or gone to the hospital I'm not sure how it could have gone worse.

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But it got better. Our first trip was a smaller group - probably the ideal size. From left to right: me, Nick, Ben, Andrew, Scott and John. Not pictured Lara. We're smiling here because this is day two and we left day one behind us.

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This photo is sort of the highlight of day one. If I can summarize day one it was marked by three breakdowns and our support vehicle getting so hopelessly lost that we spent the night alone, cold, without food and burning twigs to keep warm. Lara managed to get lost despite my best efforts to make the maps and GPS easy. We had no cell coverage, our contingency radios didn't work and we didn't have another fall back.

We'd wanted to do a dry run of the route before the trip but that didn't happen. Lessons were learned. Prices paid.

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The ride before the epic failures was great. We rode through rain, snow and sun from Portland to Madras. Our camping spot was a new one that could not have been better unless of course you wanted to eat dinner. That's Nick on the stream crossing.

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The next morning we found Lara and the van in Mitchell - safe and sound. Everyone had a great attitude about the night before and agreed that it couldn't get worse so let's keep going. That's John Roderick, me and Andrew Schauer heading to brunch.

Because the forecast was for super cold temperatures all week (from highs of 50F to below freezing) we had a contingency plan that Lara came up with to rent a cabin in the forest. The state of Oregon has a handful of cabins used for workers that they rent out. No power but they do have heat.

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The ride in was on forest roads and while the temps were unseasonably cold the foliage was peaking.

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The cabin turned out to be a great solution. It had a simple kitchen, picnic table and fire pit.

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What we missed on day one we made up for on day two. Local charcuterie and homemade sourdough. Also, that's my new favorite knife - it's a local Portland company called Steelport and it's a full carbon steel blade with differential heat treat and it is, without question, the best knife I've owned so far. Holds an edge and takes and edge better than anything.

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I grilled flank steak on open coals Eisenhower style.

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Day two was a good day.

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Day three started with coffee, bacon and pancakes.

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And I'm going to have to leave it here for now. I'm headed to Nepal tonight but I should have a lot of time to keep editing the images and catching up this story on my 24 hours of plane rides...

Gregor
 

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Flashback to 1955 on the first day of a 73-day road trip and I'm carsick. I had visions of puking my way across the United States. Thankfully that was the only time I got carsick (or seasick) in my life.

Really loved the video and I understand how the determination to reach a goal is hard to abandon. The inability to tell what color your machine is would be a strong hint to turn around.
 

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So sorry for the long lapse. There's a lot of changes going on in my life at the moment. Not just the new business but more foundational ones as well. When I get in over my head, don't know what to do and how things will work out I tend to get quiet. But we'll get there.

But I'm over two months behind!

How did the trip go? Well, the first day was an unmitigated disaster. Honestly, unless someone had died or gone to the hospital I'm not sure how it could have gone worse.

i-nQDvV28-2568x2016.jpg

But it got better. Our first trip was a smaller group - probably the ideal size. From left to right: me, Nick, Ben, Andrew, Scott and John. Not pictured Lara. We're smiling here because this is day two and we left day one behind us.

i-GxKtNzf-X2.jpg

This photo is sort of the highlight of day one. If I can summarize day one it was marked by three breakdowns and our support vehicle getting so hopelessly lost that we spent the night alone, cold, without food and burning twigs to keep warm. Lara managed to get lost despite my best efforts to make the maps and GPS easy. We had no cell coverage, our contingency radios didn't work and we didn't have another fall back.

We'd wanted to do a dry run of the route before the trip but that didn't happen. Lessons were learned. Prices paid.

i-jsGRHkT-X2.jpg

The ride before the epic failures was great. We rode through rain, snow and sun from Portland to Madras. Our camping spot was a new one that could not have been better unless of course you wanted to eat dinner. That's Nick on the stream crossing.

i-328cSnk-X2.jpg

The next morning we found Lara and the van in Mitchell - safe and sound. Everyone had a great attitude about the night before and agreed that it couldn't get worse so let's keep going. That's John Roderick, me and Andrew Schauer heading to brunch.

Because the forecast was for super cold temperatures all week (from highs of 50F to below freezing) we had a contingency plan that Lara came up with to rent a cabin in the forest. The state of Oregon has a handful of cabins used for workers that they rent out. No power but they do have heat.

i-wgSW789-X2.jpg

The ride in was on forest roads and while the temps were unseasonably cold the foliage was peaking.

i-R9jHX2Z-X2.jpg

The cabin turned out to be a great solution. It had a simple kitchen, picnic table and fire pit.

i-fdJqBfx-X2.jpg

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What we missed on day one we made up for on day two. Local charcuterie and homemade sourdough. Also, that's my new favorite knife - it's a local Portland company called Steelport and it's a full carbon steel blade with differential heat treat and it is, without question, the best knife I've owned so far. Holds an edge and takes and edge better than anything.

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I grilled flank steak on open coals Eisenhower style.

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Day two was a good day.

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Day three started with coffee, bacon and pancakes.

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And I'm going to have to leave it here for now. I'm headed to Nepal tonight but I should have a lot of time to keep editing the images and catching up this story on my 24 hours of plane rides...

Gregor
Man that looks like a lot of fun. People together laughing and stuff. That's awesome to see.
 

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Gregor, I just stumbled across a very interesting blog post, and immediately thought of you...

Why Japan became a global source of perfection:

I especially liked this part:
The final cultural influence from Confucianism is how craftspeople view their position in the social structure. During the feudal era, which only ended in 1868, there was a formal social hierarchy with samurai warriors on top, then farmers, then craftworkers, then merchants, and then pariah groups at the very bottom. Even though the Japanese government abolished this system, two ideas lingered into the modern age. First, the system established crafts as a relatively high-status activity, which allowed craftspeople to feel pride in being craftspeople. Second, the system created a clear distinction between crafts and mercantile transactions, which made craftspeople see their value in the creation of great products rather than the amassing of money. Profit-seeking became, very literally, beneath them. This created an ideal in craft circles to make the very best things regardless of cost. Even today, Japanese chefs, cafe masters, artisans, and fashion designers brag about their kodawari — a stubborn insistence that products live up to their own exacting and precise specifications, even for aspects their customers would never notice. The kodawari ethos means the only route to self-satisfaction is a sense of perfection.
 

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Yes, I can vouch for Japanese artisanal craftsmanship. I try to document good examples of it when I can, when they decide to take something seriously, they can really focus to a fanatical degree. The downside is that dabblers and jacks of all trades are uncommon, so tools and specialized materials (things that are commonly available in the west) are very limited and expensive as the market for them is a handful of professionals. It is also uncommon to share techniques publicly, so there is a lot of very specialized knowledge and skills held in a limited number of noggins, only passed down to an apprentice or family member (and don't get me started on trying to translate what limited documentation exists.)
 
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So this is a very difficult post to make and one that I've been putting off for a very long time.

Judiaann and I have decided to split up.

Because she values her privacy I will not go into depth but I will say that my belief that anything can be fixed with enough work does not apply to relationships. One of the mitigating factors but certainly not the root cause was the house. She has never liked the house and the fact that it's never finished has only added to the strife. While we've reached the decision quite a while ago we hadn't told the kids until just this past week and because of that have not said anything publicly. They have handled the news well and I think our independent travel schedules have eased the pain. In the end I think we'll both be happier and that can only benefit the kids.

Since the house has been an issue I offered to buy her out and allow her to buy a new place that doesn't need work. She dismissed that and instead said she would buy me out and then sell the house. As much as I love the house it still needs a lot of work and it's in her name so I guess it's hers to do as she pleases.

Clearly I have not been present here for months and now you know why. Sorry to all those that have followed hoping to see the house finished but that won't be happening.

I struggled for a while about how to wrap things up but realized that the house is only a part of this thread. Most of it is about how I deal with problems; whether they be an old house, a leaking trailer, a too small garage or an old fan and now the break up of a partnership. I am in the process of getting approved for a mortgage and looking for a house. With a garage. I don't know that I'll be able to afford something like this house again but I'm going to try to find a place that's nearby, needs work and is interesting. It's a horrible market but my goal is to find a place that's over looked and can be remade.

If you know of anything feel free to let me know and if you have advice - it's always welcome.

Thanks for following along - it's going to be interesting to see what's next.

Gregor
 

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I have nothing to offer except my condolences. It's always sad when a relationship breaks down. I can only hope that all 4 of you can end up happy.
 

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Best wishes. Like Abraham Lincoln said: "the best way to predict your future is to create it". Easier said than done...but somehow I know you'll persevere. The kids were your first thought and that is simply fantastic.
 

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I can only say I’m sorry to hear this. It is always an unpleasant struggle no matter the circumstances. Been there.

please know that you will get through it.
 
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The stress you must be experiencing is unfathomable... as must be the sense of loss for all the mental and physical investments (past and future plans) that you made that will never come to fruition. I'm heartbroken for you.

Short term, a large shop with a hipster mini-house style living space or some other creative solution may make more sense. Hell, that van of yours is 90% there... I'm not even kidding, living small can work well short term and can keep you regimented and sane in a time of flux. Your constraints have changed but I suspect your goals have not, so take the opportunity to better focus on those goals. You're a great dad, divorce is not the worst thing by a long shot, the kids will be alright. So will you.
 

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Thanks for being vulnerable and sharing this real situation with your virtual family. I’m sure many of us can relate to needing to finish just ‘one’ more thing before we flip that switch to invest time with the family. I know I underinvest on family time vs project time… it’s a script I’m struggle to change.

While it doesn’t take the sting away if anyone can figure out how to turn things around its you.
 

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It's hard to say much without coming off as cliche, but I believe you've the mindset to navigate this storm. You'll find smooth sailing and perhaps some new destinations on the other side.
 

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Gregor, your relationship change saddens me. While you've offered us a window into your world, it's just that; a window. None of us know what happens behind closed doors in another's house.
I hope you tap into the resiliency you've displayed so often here and ride these turbulent waves out.
I have no doubt you'll keep showing up for your kids.
May your future bring nothing but happiness.
 

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Gregor, a van and trailer are a start. A space for the machines and bikes is also a good first step. I believe your dream house finds you so be patient. The kids and a friendly breakup are the first priority.
 
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Oh Gregor, I read everything you post here. I never feel worthy of posting to your thread. I just want to say how sorry I am and want to send the most positive thoughts for everything you may be dealing with now. If it’s true that you get out of life what you put in, you have a lot to look forward to.
 

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It's incredibly generous of you to share this part of your life with all of us here who have learned so much from you over the years. I'm so sorry that you're going through this. From the little slice of your life I've seen through this thread, I'm pretty damn confident you're going to make it through and figure it out, whatever that means, in your own time. Sending my best wishes your way.
 

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this is the follow along with gregor thread, were all here to stay, good thing is youve always invested in tools instead of hiring people so its not all lost investment. best wishes.
 

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Thanks for sharing, and I have to admit I've figured as much from what you've written in your past few post. I feel like all of us in this little garage community are here to listen and share the weight. I myself went through a divorce about 14-15 years ago and it was no joke hard. To help with the stress and try to figure out how to move on I went to a class called Divorce Care at my church. There were two things that stuck with me that one of the speakers said, one was "Even though you may feel broken, you are not broke." The second was, "divorce could feel like a river you walked into, but you have to keep swimming, there is an other side. Keep swimming." I kept swimming, it took a while but I made it. I found peace, love and happiness that I never thought I deserved. I hope the same for you Gregor and to anyone else who reads this one day and is experiencing the same things in life.
 
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The house has been a challenge for my wife and I as well so I get it. Guess when I read your post it resonated just like your shop and build posts always do as well. Best of luck as you move forward.

ok, living space. I’ve had this strange attraction to barndominiums for the last half dozen years and the shop living space hybrid is super intriguing. There’s a few YouTube channels I’ve been following where people are building them from scratch themselves using post-frame architecture. One of the couples actually post on here I think - “Ambition Strikes”. They’re doing it completely off-grid. Though I’m sure nothing is cheap now-a-days, I think it is likely one of the cheapest paths to have what I can only imagine would be an amazing completely disproportionally large shop with attached any size living space you want.

With a lot/piece of land to start, you could certainly get after it living temporarily out if your trainer and van…OR, you could build a tiny house to get you through you’re build. My neighbors just built a series of tough sheds on their mountain property, put mini-splits in them, and uses them as his temp living space. One as his office/bedroom, one as his kitchen/living room. At first it sounded bat **** crazy but then more I think about it, the more I think it might even be brilliant as transitional living space.

Some stuff to noodle anyway.
 

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Gregor, I'm so sorry about you and Judiaann. I hope that your transition to whatever the new normal turns out to be is smooth and relatively pain free. I honor you choice to be considerate of her desire for privacy and I look forward to reading about your future projects if and when you're ready to share them.
 
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Thanks for sharing, and I have to admit I've figured as much from what you've written in your past few post. I feel like all of us in this little garage community are here to listen and share the weight.... I found peace, love and happiness that I never thought I deserved. I hope the same for you Gregor and to anyone else who reads this one day and is experiencing the same things in life.

So in considering how and if to post I generally wonder if what I'm going through will be able to help someone else and that's typically my guiding principle. This was obviously a very hard choice but I think an essential one for us to all be happy. Not now for sure but in a while. I honestly don't know how things will work out but I know they will and I guess we'll all see that together.

ok, living space. I’ve had this strange attraction to barndominiums

With a lot/piece of land to start, you could certainly get after it living temporarily out if your trainer and van…OR, you could build a tiny house to get you through you’re build. My neighbors just built a series of tough sheds on their mountain property, put mini-splits in them, and uses them as his temp living space. One as his office/bedroom, one as his kitchen/living room. At first it sounded bat **** crazy but then more I think about it, the more I think it might even be brilliant as transitional living space.

Some stuff to noodle anyway.

My end goal has always been land. Always. I feel like not having a farm has been failing my kids in some way. Right now i'm torn about staying close, making the transition easy for them and making the jump to try to find land. There's not much close to town that I can afford but there may be a compromise. Maybe Ben and I will talk about building options but I'd much rather find a place with a shop and house that can be updated.

I think now that the kids know they can be part of the process. I will always keep them first but the other part of my job as a parent is to make sure I show them the things they don't know they need in their life - like sheep or a horse. Or a whole network of trails in the woods. My first thought was to try to stay as close as possible for at least the first couple of years and find a good house to fix and flip and then try to find a farm having built some more equity.

I don't have the answer right now.

But I am exceedingly grateful for the support. You guys have given me the energy to keep going when I didn't really believe in myself and I'm eternally grateful.

Thanks,

Gregor
 

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We're all rooting for you, Gregor. I'm so, so very sorry your family has to go through this, and I pray for your peace and happiness at the other side of this unhappy time.
Not much we can do for you via internet forums, but I know many of us will do anything we can if we are able.
 

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Sorry to hear this Gregor. Wish you the best in the outcome.

Sometimes being on a shop or tool forum we don't realize that there are relationships behind the scenes that make other things possible. As much as I love working in my shop, I know there are times I have to take a step back to work on other things that make the shop things possible.
 

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Gregor, first of all, I wish you strength as you navigate your new path. With the post on Drive's family loss, and yours, I find my faith in human behaviour has nudged to the positive side. I think when one reaches out selflessly to share projects, craft (both visually and mechanically) and engage in the following discourse, then the result is a substantial connection to a lot of folks that the thread doesn't really reflect. When I see posts like Gsloan's " I never feel worthy of posting to your thread. ...", who has simply piped in to say he's sorry, I can't help being reminded of the strength in community.

It's a damn shame that the pile of us can't get together on a regular basis to share a beer or three and provide fellowship, comfort and inspiration when a member needs it. I'm pretty sure you have such a collection here in the virtual sense, even if you don't know it.

It takes confidence to be vulnerable, and I hope you take that strength and keep posting about your journey. I know you have a large group of folks here who are supporting you in every way.

Respectfully,
Dennis.
 

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I'm really sorry to hear this news, Gregor. Like everyone else, I wish you the very best going forward.

Your thread is the OG thread that got me hooked on Garage Journal, and your house project was, and is, nothing short of inspirational for me. But I can completely visualize the strife that must come along with a project like that (most of us would consider such an undertaking to be impossible for one person to accomplish).

I really hope whoever ends up with the house, even if it is neither of you, gives it the same care, love and respect that you did, or at least appreciates what you put into it.

Hopefully when the dust has settled, you'll continue to share the next chapter of projects with us. But until then, hang in there, take care of yourself, and take some time to process everything!

All the best,
-Nick
 

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So sorry for your loss, I hope you gain something else from it.

You have two kids who will support you more than you realize now. Let them. Live your own life, it's easy to forget when you are both focused on your kids, but spending all your time waiting for them only builds resentment. If a farm is what you need, get one. I have never regretted going for what I wanted. Change is scary and painful sometimes, but it sets our priorities straight. I would trust your judgement, you should too.
 

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It's a damn shame that the pile of us can't get together on a regular basis to share a beer or three and provide fellowship, comfort and inspiration when a member needs it. I'm pretty sure you have such a collection here in the virtual sense, even if you don't know it.
^^^^^

This!!!!!!!!


I too am truly sorry for what you have and are about to go through. As I was checking subscribed threads, I can tell you that I think I was one of the first ones to read your post because I read it literally less than a minute after you posted it. I had started to post a reply to offer some kind of encouraging words, but I just had to stop. Words just failed me.

Like everyone has mentioned so far, we are with you. If there is something you need that we can offer assistance on, please don't hesitate to reach out.

Take care!

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Well, ****. Sorry man.

But this is good-
make sure I show them the things they don't know they need in their life - like sheep or a horse
and goats and pigs are hilarious (and we all know where bacon comes from - the kids will have to learn, eventually.)


And from the great Canadian sage
 

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As the others have said I’m sorry you are having to go through this. I wish you the best going forward.

Nothing quite like living on a farm, even a small hobby farm.
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If a farm is what you need, get one. I have never regretted going for what I wanted. Change is scary and painful sometimes, but it sets our priorities straight. I would trust your judgement, you should too.

Nothing quite like living on a farm, even a small hobby farm.

This house was never supposed to take so long. But things do. Perhaps my greatest regret is that I didn't build the treehouse for the kids. I think if I try to find a house that I can fix and flip to get a farm I'll just kick the can down the road and miss the chance to explore the woods with them, have horses. In three years they'll be in high school and how much time will they want to spend with me?

Thanks. These comments resonate with me. I don't want to push my happiness off until later. This is too important.

Gregor
 

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Count me in too. I've been in since Jorgé started sanding the ceilings.
I'm really sorry to hear this. And thank you for an amazing story. All 124 pages of it so far!
Please, whatever you do next, take us along with you. This thread has been a big reason why I joined the forum. Thanks.
 

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So sorry to hear this news Gregor. Remember kids are resilient, but not as resilient as people think. I came from a broken home and the divorce was just as hard on my siblings and myself as it was on my parents. I can still see my Dad tossing the golf clubs in the trunk and driving off as my mom was peeling a strip off him (he left for his secretary), and that was in 1975. It left a lasting impression I guess. Things were always awkward after that as they never got along after. We grew up under my mothers roof and she did a fantastic job raising us and was a survivor that did a lot with a little. At the very least you and the Mrs. need to find a civil way forward for the kids because the opposite has lasting effects. Just having to explain to your friends and teachers and coaches that your parents are divorced is demoralizing to a child on it's own. Mind you it wasn't as common when I was a kid. The fact that she wants to sell the house out from under you just because dose not sound promising. Look out for yourself and the kids and with a grain of salt the Mrs. too. Hugs to all 4 of you.
 
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