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MIG/GMAW Stainless -- what shielding Gas?

bika bill

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I have a Lincoln 135 (110v) and I'm welding 1/8 inch thick 304 stainless with 030 308 and straight argon shielding gas. Lincoln literature with the welder states 98Ar/202, but my local supplier only had Ar handy that day, and now I don't want to spend the bucks for another bottle to see which is better.

It looks like I'm in globular xfer mode and I'd think short circuit would be better?Anybody got any experience with this?

BTW, I need to make pretty welds 'cause the thing I'm building goes on my Harley -- so far not so good!
 
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Canadian Cowboy

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If you welding 304/304L stainless steel with either mig or tig you want to use 308 welding wire and straight argon no mixed gases.

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i used ar/C02 when i welded up a custom SS supertrapp for my ironhead.

i was told by LWS that mix gas was fine for what i was doing.

it did take some practice to get heat/wire speed set right so i ended up buying a coupe extra pieces of SS exhaust tubing from a custom muffler shop that did hot rod & real custom work

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98% argon-2%CO2 is just fine for stainless in short circuiting mode. The 90% helium-7.5%argon-2.5%CO2 "tri-mix" runs hotter and does not work as well as 98-2 on thin stainless.
 
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bika bill

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Thanks, I'm going to try a mix... also trying to get a spool of flux core. I figure if I try enough combinations eventually I'll get there...
 

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If you are running stainless flux-core wire, stay with 75%argon-25%CO2. Flux-core will not work well on thin metal, but will be good on 1/8" thickness or over.
 

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The ONLY time straight argon is used with GMAW (aka MIG) is for aluminum (or maybe copper or magnesium or titanium, except in 'thicker' pieces where argon-helium blends would be used for additional heat).

Strong statement. But true.

GMAW with straight argon on steel ('plain' or stainless) is not recommended because of the real lack of fusion/penetration you would get and the non-recommended compatability with the wire electrodes/fillers.

GMAW on stainless steel, in short-circuit transfer mode, where you actually want to end up with still-stainless and thus use a compatible filler (such as 308/308L on 304 base material) and compatible shielding gas such as tri-mix or an argon blend such as 98-2 Ar-O2 or 95-2/95-5 Ar-CO2. If you use shielding gas with a higher CO2 percentage than that, you can (or may, especially if running multiple passes) run into excess carbon pick-up and thus no-longer-stainless weld beads.

murphy, C25 is just fine and recommended for most GMAW on mild steel with solid wire filler/electrodes in short-circuit transfer mode.

As to using a shielding gas with an FCAW wire? Forget about it. FCAW-G (aka 'dual-shield', which is a ESAB 'registered' product line/name for their FCAW-G wires) are certainly fine and have their uses, but the 'little' wire-feed welders such as the OP's Lincoln 135 (120V machine) do not have the correct amperage-voltage output power in order to run those wires at anywhere near the correct operating parameters. Not to mention the FCAW-G wires all seem to come on the 'bigger' spools and would not even fit in his 'little' welder's wire compartment (which can fit 4 inch and maybe 8 inch diameter spools, but will not fit the 12+ inchers) or the 'bigger' wire diameters such as 0.045 and up (Lincoln is listing some 0.045 dual-shield wires on 15 lb 8 inch spools, but his 'little' machine doesn't have the output power to run that diameter and type of wire anyway, example Lincoln 0.045 Outershield 71Elite at 21+ V and 125+ amps, unless he really-really-really wants to find and pay for some Lincoln Outershield 71M p/n ED026804 in 0.035 on a 15 lb 8 inch spool and run it at ~20V and ~100 amps with C25. But that would be for plain mild steel and not stainless steel anyway. :D ).

As the the OP's desire for "pretty welds", especially on some stainless, that usually means GTAW aka TIG. A pretty skilled MIG welder can make those 'pretty' welds, but those kinds of welders are usually very-very skilled. As in they are kind of sentient robots, ala ZTFab (check out his MIG welds, just fereaking b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l).

Use the right 'tools' for the job. When welding, that includes the machine and the filler and the shielding gas and the operating parameters and the person.

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