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speed bump

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Well said Indy...........and very diplomatic, kind of wondered why you don't see these welds on buildings, ships, oil rigs, construction equipment and pipelines.

I see lots of and lots of weave type welds on non NC welds. Once you start seeing NC welds then you generally see a continuous bead.

This was a nice recent weld 6010 root 7018 cover with UT inspection on the rig I am on. No where near as pretty as ZTfabs but hey they still passed without a problem. I am glad to because its on a flow line that regularly sees 2000+ PSI for days on end.

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Perhaps. No way for you to prove other than a video or in person. Just I have never seen anyone make welds like that while continuous welding.
I've been welding for about 20years, not to say that I'm a pro by any means though, but I have an idea on the process. :)

I've seen ZT weld in person, and yeah, those are continuous welds. I live 5 minutes away from him.

edit: if you think ZT's mig is fancy, you should see his tig welding.
 
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All I said was that none of the listed weldments would be appropriately welded with short circuit transfer mode in GMAW. I said nothing about location of the fabrication or other possible processes.....you did.

They may use GMAW but I highly doubt they use short circuit transfer mode on any of the components. I would bet that if they use a wire feed process that it is either in spray transfer (axial or pulsed) and/or a dual shield FCAW process.

Pipe is usually welded with GTAW or SMAW or a combo of both. But Im not a pipe welder, bridge builder, or CAT employed welder and, unlike some, I won't
claim to know it all about parts that I don't make.

...but I guess thats just my bad attitude.


Actually, they do use short circuit on the pipeline when they use the welding shacks and several of the newer generation is using wire feeders for the tie ins. :thumbup:
 

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I've been wanting to teach myself to mig weld so I bought a Miller 210 and have been practicing. The chart inside the 210 is helpful with the voltage and feed settings but I'm not yet clear on gas pressure. Is there a basic rule of thumb, such as material thickness vs. psi? Or is it one setting for most materials? I'm using 25 CO/75 Argon.

the gas flow is measured by volume, not pressure. 15-20 cfh would be ok to cover anything indoors for the capacity of your welder.

one thing for newbies is they hold the torch too tight, relax your shoulders and hold the gun with BOTH hands. assume you're right handed, use your left hand as a guide and shield. weld from left to right(drag or pull). don't do right to left(push)

3 thinks matters once you pull that trigger:
stick-out, torch angle and torch speed.

keep the "stick out" constant, no more than 3/8". that's the #1 problem I see when people having trouble with.
keep the torch angle between 15-20*
speed, whatever you can keep the width of the bead 1.5-2 times of the thickness of your material.

remember, when you start a bead, that work piece is cold, you need more heat(slower speed) for the bead to build up, once it's started, the work piece is getting hotter, you need to speed up to compensate.

look at ZT's work, notice the bluing line (which indicates the heat) is extremely consistent. you don't get that from "tack, tack, tack".

don't try the fancy movement, yet. "stop 'n go" is all you need to do.

one last thing, breath through your nose, pull the trigger on exhale.
 

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One of the odd things I have found is that origin of steel seems to make a huge difference in how the steel welds. Any others found this issue? Origin refering to U.S. German, Japan. Korean etc.

I have, not that I weld much of it. I suspect that it stems from slightly different material properties, e.g. AISI, ISO, JIS and DIN standards may be rough equivalents, but not exactly the same. Kind of like welding 4130 sheet as compared to AISI 1008CR. some seems to undercut easier than others.

The most I have noticed on is the Chinese 4130N tubing. You can usually distinguish it by the rather large white roll markings as compared with something made in the US by Plymouth Tube. I have also heard from some friends that used to be heavy in the off road racing fab world that the Chinese 4130 was prone to cracking when bending as well.
 

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Well this thread went astray... I have a lincoln Pro-Mig 175. I just use it strait up/no gas.. I have been thinking of using gas but I just have small fix-it jobs around my garage and the welds just need to work more so than pretty.
With this thread, I have information on using gas not on nit-picking...
The welds I see in this thread are awesome, I should be so lucky--:bowdown:

Nice work......................................stevo
 

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Shave his head and check for the serial number. Those welds are so pretty they look as if a robot welder made them. I like those welds alot.
 

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Thanks for the compliments. :beer:

Im new here , Great looking welds ZTFab , does that mig you run have pulse mode .

Hey BigFilthy...welcome to the site and thanks.

No, no pulse modes, timers, or the like on any of my welders, MIG or TIG.

My wire feed welders are a Lincoln SP135 Plus (110v) and a Lincoln Power MIG 200.
 

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Nate379 ... your point is well taken and i support your comments ... are we looking for strength or looks ... it does look perdy.

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LOL ... I have more certs then you have GUNS ... your welds are pretty ... nice job .. but I'm sorry the welds are not weaves or a continuous bead, they are a series of tacks and that dosent achieve strength.
 

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Fact is, if you want the strongest welds possible, the weld should have a continuous smooth flow, not the "pattern" you see in ZtFab's beautiful welds.

Absolute strength comes from consistent material thickness, with only random grain boundaries in the material. I would have to see a section and an X-ray of Ztfab's welds, but his technique of "patterning" the weld most likely introduces a pattern of grain boundaries. Near the point of metal failure, even very tiny inconsitencies in the pattern will produce stress spots, and those stress spots are where a fracture occurs.

So according to your post, TIG welds are wrong/weak because of the way they look? :wtf:
 

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LOL ... I have more certs then you have GUNS ... your welds are pretty ... nice job .. but I'm sorry the welds are not weaves or a continuous bead, they are a series of tacks and that dosent achieve strength.

LOL...:lol_hitti

Well, seeing as how I only have one gun that doesn't mean much. I'm also a lifetime, card carrying member of the NRA. That doesn't make me an expert on every gun out there, now does it?

Thanks for the apology in advance....you are in fact wrong. All of my welds are continuous.

I find it hilarious and ridiculous that someone 3000 miles away who has no idea how I do my job can make such matter-of-fact statements.
 

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Your right ... NRA Memeber for one gun and one mig welder your the expert ... I apologize ... your welds look pretty.
R
 
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I just Bought a welder and plasma cutter along with a few other things for my auto shop. I'd like to start practicing welding and learn everything I can. Quick question ZTFab, how do you have no spatter, those welds are damn clean.
 

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**** the bed, that ZTFab can put it down as good as I've seen.
Any body questioning the structural integrity of his work, would not know a good weld if it bit them on the pecker!!!

Absolutely world class mig work.
The next time somebody asks me to show one of my welds, I'm just going to post one of his!!!

Royce
 

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You can do them that way or this way, 180 compact mig. C25 030 Could get a little better with pre cleaning the plate but we get a bit more spatter stick. Second one was trying to set a fussy machine, stopped in the middle for a 1 volt change to try to get rid of the bb's
 

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I'm glad someone resurrected this one! Interesting read considering ZTFab's current endeavors. You might have better luck finding him on instagram as he was last active here in June.
 
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