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Miller 211 @ Cyberweld for $800

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Apparently Cyberweld is clearancing out the Miller 211's (transformer version) and the inverter version is being released. Price is $1000, with a $200 rebate, or buy $400 in accessories and you get a $400 rebate.

On a side note, are these inverter welders really worth the "upgrade"?
 
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From what my dealer told me when I purchased my 211 it isn't worth the new version of the 211. I'll go with the tried and tested model as opposed to a new version being released.
 

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pic looked different now.... is this the new one? worth the upgrade ?
 

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MP210 Lincoln. Spend the extra $300
 

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pic looked different now.... is this the new one? worth the upgrade ?

yeah thats the inverter model. it has a little more topend power and is almost half the weight of the transformer based counterpart. if those things matter to you then it might be worth it.

my mig is always in the garage attached to a 125 cf cylinder so portability is not that important to me.
 

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The inverter machine has a 40% duty cycle vs. 30% for the transformer. That's a significant difference. Add to that 10% more amperage and the fact that an inverter machine will run smoother over a wider range. I'd go with the new model in a heartbeat.

If you won't be using it a lot, the savings on the transformer as they close them out, may be worthwhile. Just beware they're not close to being the same.
 
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MP210 Lincoln. Spend the extra $300

just looking at that machine myself. So worth the extra 300 bucks, it's not even funny.

My thread i posting on it didn't get much reaction.
 

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The inverter machine has a 40% duty cycle vs. 30% .

Just read that myself. That's a huge difference.

I'm not so sure i would pull the trigger on any machine right now. I'm willing to bet within the next 2 years, the bigger machines will be phased out and verter machines coming in. Let's face it, Hydro isn't getting any cheaper and when i pull the trigger on a transformer machine, I can see it in my bill.
 

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The inverter machine has a 40% duty cycle vs. 30%

and this is why i don't trust miller.

20V: 115 A at 19.8 V, 20% duty cycle
240V: 150 A at 21.5 V, 40% duty cycle

Lincoln rates the duty cycle at max.

Millers is only at 150 amps. That's a fine print dirty trick.
 

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Did you see the picture he posted? If you agree with it, then you get an eye roll too...

oh, It didn't show in your quote and i never pay attention to that stuff. Funny tho.

Miller makes awesome welders too:beer:
 

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and this is why i don't trust miller.

20V: 115 A at 19.8 V, 20% duty cycle
240V: 150 A at 21.5 V, 40% duty cycle

Lincoln rates the duty cycle at max.

Millers is only at 150 amps. That's a fine print dirty trick.

Well, it's not quite that simple. All manufacturers give specs in the best possible light, especially on the lower end of the price range. I have no real preference, red or blue. Anyway, your post piqued my interest, so I dug a little deeper.

Miller gives a graph of duty cycle. You can find the duty cycle at any point in the range. http://www.millerwelds.com/pdf/spec_sheets/DC12-58.pdf Scroll down to page 2.

Lincoln only gives us duty cycle at 2 points for 208V input. http://www.lincolnelectric.com/assets/servicenavigator-public/lincoln3/imt10164.pdf Page 21.

Now, if we compare at those 2 points, the Lincoln wins by 5% at 200A and by 40% :shocking: at 110A.

We don't know what the Lincoln does in between. On most inverters, in that part of the range it tends to be a near straight line like the Miller.

If you want to know, ask Lincoln. I'll guarantee they know, but based on experience, they'll be reluctant to tell you.

My point is neither company gives you the best information.

I wouldn't buy either if I intended to run a lot over 170A. That's when you need to look at an industrial machine. I'd want to demo both machines before purchasing.

I didn't notice the rating on the Miller when I made my first post and frankly the Miller's spec on the low end concerns me. In general Miller, inverters run smoother, there's a lot the numbers don't tell. I'd give them both a go and get the one that best suits your needs.
 

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Well, it's not quite that simple. All manufacturers give specs in the best possible light, especially on the lower end of the price range. I have no real preference, red or blue. Anyway, your post piqued my interest, so I dug a little deeper.

Miller gives a graph of duty cycle. You can find the duty cycle at any point in the range. http://www.millerwelds.com/pdf/spec_sheets/DC12-58.pdf Scroll down to page 2.

Lincoln only gives us duty cycle at 2 points for 208V input. http://www.lincolnelectric.com/assets/servicenavigator-public/lincoln3/imt10164.pdf Page 21.

Now, if we compare at those 2 points, the Lincoln wins by 5% at 200A and by 40% :shocking: at 110A.

We don't know what the Lincoln does in between. On most inverters, in that part of the range it tends to be a near straight line like the Miller.

If you want to know, ask Lincoln. I'll guarantee they know, but based on experience, they'll be reluctant to tell you.

My point is neither company gives you the best information.

I wouldn't buy either if I intended to run a lot over 170A. That's when you need to look at an industrial machine. I'd want to demo both machines before purchasing.

I didn't notice the rating on the Miller when I made my first post and frankly the Miller's spec on the low end concerns me. In general Miller, inverters run smoother, there's a lot the numbers don't tell. I'd give them both a go and get the one that best suits your needs.


Thanks for the info. My problem is, I want a 252 with a push pull. But as soon as i buy it, the verter version will be out and kick the old ones ****.
 

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Thanks for the info. My problem is, I want a 252 with a push pull. But as soon as i buy it, the verter version will be out and kick the old ones ****.

Well then, get off your duff and buy it! Why are you holding up progress? :thumbup:
 
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