Miller Welder Sale
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Aaron_W
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Miller offers some decent rebates, but usually on specific machines. They had one for $300 on the 211 a couple years ago when I was shopping. I've not seen any rebates for the 220.
vpd66
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If you have planned for the purchase and have the money then I'd say go buy it now. With the inflation wee are seeing I don't think it will be any cheaper in the future.
online welding stores have special packages quit a bit im thinking. for example, welding supplies ioc has free miller helmet and $100 discount code on your next store purchase when you buy a millermatic211. i know not looking for a 211 but as i said its just example. youll have to look around at the different stores.
Check here:
www.millerwelds.com
They usually run seasonal promotions but nothing right now.
Miller® Build with Blue™ Rebate Program | MillerWelds
www.millerwelds.com
They usually run seasonal promotions but nothing right now.
I was looking at prices over the weekend, my Miller 211 has gone up over $300 since I bought it a year ago.
If the price keeps creeping up I doubt any rebate would offset the price increase in 6 months.
Cyberweld.com is where I bought my welder from and they do offer a small rebate/ discount if you don't want a free hood and 2lb roll of wire.
If the price keeps creeping up I doubt any rebate would offset the price increase in 6 months.
Cyberweld.com is where I bought my welder from and they do offer a small rebate/ discount if you don't want a free hood and 2lb roll of wire.
Aaron_W
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Seeing the same, the 220 is $700 more than I paid for mine 2 years ago, almost a 25% increase.
American Locomotive
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The prices on Red/Blue welders have skyrocketed. The Lincoln PowerMig 210 is now pushing $1800 when 4-5 years ago they were only ~$1300-1400 and you could regularly find them on sale for $1,000. I bought a SquareWave 200 for $1800 a year ago, and now they're $2300.
The Multimatic 220 was a dubious value at best with its initial price of $3,000. The $3,700 it costs now it just absolutely absurd for what you get. Which is entry-level TIG/MIG performance at premium mig/tig prices. The ESAB Rebel 215 is much more machine at literally $1,000 less cost.
The Multimatic 220 was a dubious value at best with its initial price of $3,000. The $3,700 it costs now it just absolutely absurd for what you get. Which is entry-level TIG/MIG performance at premium mig/tig prices. The ESAB Rebel 215 is much more machine at literally $1,000 less cost.
Aaron_W
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How do you figure the 220 is an entry level MIG / TIG? The MIG side is the same as the 215 (basically a 211 with digital display) ($1900 retail), and the TIG falls between the Diversion 180 ($2600) and Synchrowave 210 ($3400) so you are getting around $5000 of machine buying separate Miller machines of roughly similar performance.
The Esab 215 and Miller 220 have very similar capability, each having some brand specific functions but there are plenty of reviews where they compare very well. The Esab has a little more adjustment (TIG goes down to 5A vs 20A on the Miller), but the Miller has greater output (230/210/200 on the 220 vs 205/180/180 on the Esab MIG/TIG/Stick), duty cycle is very similar between the two. When they came out they were priced nearly identically right at $3000. With Millers price increases and Esab cutting prices I agree the 215 is now a much better deal with current pricing, but I don't see how you can laud the Esab and proclaim the 220 is entry level when they have very similar performance. To me entry level MIG is the 100-140A range and TIG something like 160A DC only so not seeing how you call any 200A machine entry level.
Of course buying import you can get an Everlast 225 for about $400 less than the Esab.
American Locomotive
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Err sorry, got the Esab Rebel 205 and 215 models mixed up. The 205 is the more comparable (and more expensive) model and current costs about the same. However it does offer more features, better duty cycle and better amp/current ranges.
My "entry-level" comment is that the machines like the PM210 and SW200 are at the low end of professional machines. They are more like prosumer machines vs. true high end professional machines. But they have duty cycles and prices that reflect that. The issue with the MM220 is the individual capability of each mode. At $3000, you get the current and duty cycle of what was a $1000 prosumer mig welder (powermig 210) and a $1600 tig (sw200). I get that there is added value for it being MP, but at $3,000 I want better duty cycle than my buddy's $1,000 PM210 and better TIG current than my $1800 SW200. 20A tig minimum is a big deal on thin steel, and would be a deal breaker for me. I regularly run my SW200 down at 10A, and sometimes even that is borderline.
If I'm paying $3,000-3,800 for a machine - I want $3,000-class duty cycle and features. For example, the PowerMig 260 made its debut at $2500
I'm not saying the MM220 is a bad machine - just that the value proposition just isn't there, especially right now with it being over $700 more than its launch price. The whole point of MP machines is to save money because internally you can reuse a lot of the same components between modes. But it seems the big players have figured out that means they don't make as much money, so they're now charging as much for a MP machine as it would cost to buy two separate single process machines.
My "entry-level" comment is that the machines like the PM210 and SW200 are at the low end of professional machines. They are more like prosumer machines vs. true high end professional machines. But they have duty cycles and prices that reflect that. The issue with the MM220 is the individual capability of each mode. At $3000, you get the current and duty cycle of what was a $1000 prosumer mig welder (powermig 210) and a $1600 tig (sw200). I get that there is added value for it being MP, but at $3,000 I want better duty cycle than my buddy's $1,000 PM210 and better TIG current than my $1800 SW200. 20A tig minimum is a big deal on thin steel, and would be a deal breaker for me. I regularly run my SW200 down at 10A, and sometimes even that is borderline.
If I'm paying $3,000-3,800 for a machine - I want $3,000-class duty cycle and features. For example, the PowerMig 260 made its debut at $2500
I'm not saying the MM220 is a bad machine - just that the value proposition just isn't there, especially right now with it being over $700 more than its launch price. The whole point of MP machines is to save money because internally you can reuse a lot of the same components between modes. But it seems the big players have figured out that means they don't make as much money, so they're now charging as much for a MP machine as it would cost to buy two separate single process machines.
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oldmachinenut
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I bought the sequencer board for my Syncrowave 350LX from IOC, great service, they were $100.00 less than other online sellers and it shipped free.
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Aaron_W
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Ok, I can go along with the "prosumer" tag, it is basically a light industrial / upper tier hobbyist machine. It is comparable to having multiple 200A machines because that is what it is. I kind of get where you are coming from but don't think it is realistic to expect $3000 machine performance from what is essentially a couple of $1500-2000 (at the time) machines sharing a box.
I didn't get the 3 in 1 format for cost reasons, I have major space issues so the small foot print was what sold me. I absolutely agree that if you have the space for 2 or 3 machines, a dedicated MIG and a separate TIG / stick machine is a better option. There is just so much more variety in options for a stand alone TIG machine compared to the TIG in any combo machine. Miller alone sells 12 TIG machines in 4 families compared to 5 combo machines only 1 of which even has AC TIG (MM220).
At current Miller and Lincoln prices I probably would have just bought a Hobart 210 MIG welder for $1000 and called it good. Even the Miller 211 is now pushing $1700 and I'm just a hobby guy.
I've only been welding for 2 years and strictly a hobby guy but some of the import machines get pretty positive reviews from owners. Everlast, Primeweld and even the Harbor Freight Titanium and Vulcan brands seem to be decent machines at a much nicer price than Miller or Lincoln. There was a guy in my welding classes with a Titanium TIG machine. He was quite happy with it. If you asked his opinion it wasn't as nice as the $4000 Miller TIG welders we had in class, but he also only paid something like $800 for a 200A AC/DC TIG welder.
Two years ago I was pretty set on going with Miller, or Lincoln with Hobart as my budget option. Today I would probably at least give some of the imports a look.
I love my Miller 220, it is a great machine for me and it will take me years just to grow into it, but the prices are crazy these days.
i consider the higher end expensive welders as a investment, not a purchase. you expect great qaulity and many years of trouble free service. thats why i have no problem spending more money on a good machine that works flawless every time i turn it on