Milwaukee brushless impact specs

[Stuey]

A couple of people PMed and emailed me asking about Milwaukee's new brushless impacts.

A full preview went up on ToolGuyd at http://toolguyd.com/milwaukee-m18-fuel-brushless-heavy-duty-impact-wrenches/ , but a summary of specs is listed here for convenience.

max fastening/max removal/"mode 1" torque

1/2" pin: 600/900/350 ft-lbs
1/2" ring: 700/1100/100 ft-lbs
3/4" ring: 750/1200/375 ft-lbs
7/16" hex: 500/500/300 ft-lbs

(The impacts have 2 modes, a torque-limiting mode (mode 1) and give it all she's got mode (mode 2).

 

[rmsg0040]

Thanks for the specs, I hope we can figure out pricing.

Might have to ditch my SO impact

 

[trout]

so with the pin it puts out 600, but can be limited to 350.
With the ring it can put out 700, but gets limited to 100?

what's the logic behind this?

 

[rmsg0040]

Mode 1 - 100ft

Would be great for me as my wheels are torqued to 103 ft lb

Mode 2 - 700 ft lb fastening, 1100 bolt breakaway, pretty much will take anything off

 

[trout]

I'm more wondering about the difference between the two models. Why is it so much more limited with the ring than with the pin? Is it just typical applications?

 

[Stuey]

so with the pin it puts out 600, but can be limited to 350.
With the ring it can put out 700, but gets limited to 100?

what's the logic behind this?

I'm more wondering about the difference between the two models. Why is it so much more limited with the ring than with the pin? Is it just typical applications?

I'm still waiting for pricing info, and if I get a response I'll then ask about the torque choices.

My feeling is that the torque settings were chosen based on typical applications.

100 ft-lbs is close to the maximum torque rating of 1/4" hex impact drivers. It's possible that this torque rating is meant so that the 1/2" drive can be used with adapters and smaller sockets or bits.

 

[ADSR]

1/2" pin: 600/900/350 ft-lbs
1/2" ring: 700/1100/100 ft-lbs

This is going to be sick! I can't wait to test one out.

 

[Iron-Iceberg]

Wow, i need one today. Come on hurry up.

 

[Ign]

Damnit, I don't have any of the M18 platform but this is gonna make me want yet another charger and set of batteries!

edit: googling the part number comes up w the 2763-22 at $462 for the kit at toolfetch, but no idea how accurate this is as it clearly hasn't fully hit the market (toolfetch shows backordered)
http://www.toolfetch.com/milwaukee-...-2-high-torquecordless-impact-wrench-kit.html

 

[mikebramel]

The last generation of Milwaukee's was over rated on the power department. I wonder if these are too

 

[MattPersman]

We need the super test equipment to see what they really are and compare to IR and Snap on. I know my IR W7150 is stronger than my snap on CT7850. The warranty is the killer thing about Milwaukee. 5 years on a tool is incredible.

 

[Ign]

We need the super test equipment to see what they really are and compare to IR and Snap on. I know my IR W7150 is stronger than my snap on CT7850. The warranty is the killer thing about Milwaukee. 5 years on a tool is incredible.

And the WIDE selection of other tools on a given platform. If you have the W7150, how many other cordless tools is IR making for those batteries?

 

[firebox40dash5]

I'm seeing about $230 on the 1/2" ring bare tool. Gonna be a tough one for me, the compact 3/8" has enough torque for a lot of what I do and I'm in a shop with air anyway, but so tempting still! Under $200 would make it a slam-dunk hell yes IMO.

Edit: looks like one of your competing review sit es scooped you. Bare tools are $200 for the recip and circ saws, $170 for the grinders, and $220 for the 1/2" impac ts.

 

[Marlin]

And the WIDE selection of other tools on a given platform. If you have the W7150, how many other cordless tools is IR making for those batteries?

Here is the current offering and several more to follow.

http://www.ingersollrandproducts.co...qv-cordless-tools/iqv20-series-cordless-tools

 

[Stuey]

I'm seeing about $230 on the 1/2" ring bare tool. Gonna be a tough one for me, the compact 3/8" has enough torque for a lot of what I do and I'm in a shop with air anyway, but so tempting still! Under $200 would make it a slam-dunk hell yes IMO.

Edit: looks like one of your competing review sit es scooped you. Bare tools are $200 for the recip and circ saws, $170 for the grinders, and $220 for the 1/2" impac ts.

Competition? Pft, I have no competition.

In all seriousness, there is more friendliness among most of us than competition or rivalry.

I saw those prices, but the site that posted them is the blogging arm of a mom & pop distributor. If the prices are wrong or are not supposed to be posted yet, my posting of them could be traced back to them, causing headaches for all. A couple of distributors started offering preorders, so I'll grab the prices until Milwaukee can provide official pricing.

It looks like the 1/2" kits are going to be $429, and the 3/4" and 7/16" will be a little higher at $499.

 

[Coptool]

This all sounds very familiar...

But who wouldn't love Stu he's always got the inside information before anyone else. Nothing but respect from us.

 

[Ign]

Here is the current offering and several more to follow.

http://www.ingersollrandproducts.co...qv-cordless-tools/iqv20-series-cordless-tools

So I count 7 variations of an impact (not surprising given IR's heritage), two ratchets, a light and a drill. It looks like nice stuff but you'll need to add A LOT more products before getting close to Milwaukee's M18 line-up.

Looking at Milwaukee's site they claim 116 results for M18 tools and another 36 for M18 fuel, but granted, a great many of those results are the same tool w minor variations such as the grinder w a paddle switch vs a grinder w a slide switch.

http://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/cordless

 

[Marlin]

So I count 7 variations of an impact (not surprising given IR's heritage), two ratchets, a light and a drill. It looks like nice stuff but you'll need to add A LOT more products before getting close to Milwaukee's M18 line-up.

Looking at Milwaukee's site they claim 116 results for M18 tools and another 36 for M18 fuel, but granted, a great many of those results are the same tool w minor variations such as the grinder w a paddle switch vs a grinder w a slide switch.

http://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/cordless

Yeah, we're focused on the needs of the professional mechanic so you probably won't see any circular saws from us.

 

[rmsg0040]

Milwaukee is leading the market right now.

I can see myself getting their 3/8 impact, 1/2 impact, cordless angle grinder, and a heated hoodie in the near future.

Might have to bank some over time soon.

 

[Ign]

{snip} heated hoodie in the near future.{snip}

Even w/out the heating function, they're nice! And of course they make the M18 adapter so you can run it M12 or M18

 

[Ign]

Oh and I should say I think both the IR and Milwaukee products are cool. Competition is good for us and I foresee "horsepower wars" in cordless impacts. It did wonders for today's modern diesels, so bring it!

 

[Stuey]

Oh and I should say I think both the IR and Milwaukee products are cool. Competition is good for us and I foresee "horsepower wars" in cordless impacts. It did wonders for today's modern diesels, so bring it!

There's a limit as to how much higher either brand can go in terms of torque, and I think we reached it.

As Marlin said, IR focuses on automotive industry, but that's an area Milwaukee is starting to move in on.

I think the competition will ultimately turn towards efficiency, runtime, and speed of application.

 

[Ign]

There's a limit as to how much higher either brand can go in terms of torque, and I think we reached it.

As Marlin said, IR focuses on automotive industry, but that's an area Milwaukee is starting to move in on.

I think the competition will ultimately turn towards efficiency, runtime, and speed of application.

Yeah you're right. When I asked Milwaukee to make a stick light (which I think they were already working on, not claiming credit), I told them to sell a combo kit w the ratchet and stick light. Same could be done with the new cordless impacts, call it an "auto tech's" kit, if you will.

 

[zer0cell]

I have not tried the brushless impact yet but I purchased the new brushless 18 Volt "fuel" hammer drill/driver and it works great. No complaints and plenty of power so far. Milwaukee is still one of the better cordless power tool makers out there, even if virtually all of it is made in china. Plus the 5 year warranty is nice.

 

[crewchief888]

a week ago, i broek down and bought a m18 fuel 3/8" dr impact, to replace a 5 year old bluepoint 14.4v

awesome power, took some lug nuts off torqued to over 160 ft/lb

while using it yesterday, it died.


we'll see how good the warranty is now....

 

[mikebramel]

Yeah, we're focused on the needs of the professional mechanic so you probably won't see any circular saws from us.

LOL!

The line is fairly complete for what you are going for. Maybe a cordless grinder? But those are not good performers and the battery life is 10-15 minutes

 

[Ign]

a week ago, i broek down and bought a m18 fuel 3/8" dr impact, to replace a 5 year old bluepoint 14.4v

awesome power, took some lug nuts off torqued to over 160 ft/lb

while using it yesterday, it died.


we'll see how good the warranty is now....

Where'd ya get it? After a week any retailer should exchange, with receipt.

 

[crewchief888]

Where'd ya get it? After a week any retailer should exchange, with receipt.

purchased online @ northern tool.

just got off the phone with customer service, prepaid return lable is on it's way....

 

[FiendFX]

Can't wait for it to come out. Although IR is 80FTLBS stronger and about the same price as the Milwaukee.

 

[Stuey]

Can't wait for it to come out. Although IR is 80FTLBS stronger and about the same price as the Milwaukee.

I was going to comment about how, at the torque levels we're taking about, 80 ft-lbs isn't much, but it really is. It's nearly 1,000 in-lbs more.

It would be interesting to see which tool wins out in an all-out torque test.

Manufacturers' torque ratings can be subjective and in some case exaggerated.

 

[marcusicp]

purchased online @ northern tool.

just got off the phone with customer service, prepaid return lable is on it's way....

Who is handling the warranty? Northern or Milwaukee?

 

[GSteg]

I was going to comment about how, at the torque levels we're taking about, 80 ft-lbs isn't much, but it really is. It's nearly 1,000 in-lbs more.

It would be interesting to see which tool wins out in an all-out torque test.

Manufacturers' torque ratings can be subjective and in some case exaggerated.

I would definitely like to see this. I've owned most of the big boys cordless impact guns and the W7150 is the most powerful so far. It's insane how much power a cordless impact gun can pack nowadays. 10 years ago, you judge a gun based on whether it'll take off a lug nut. Now? You're chasing after those crank pulley bolts.

If the Milwaukee doesn't win on power, it will with efficiency. 4AH battery plus brushless should extend run time quite a bit, especially with an impact gun that does not see continuous duty.

 

[sloppy]

I would definitely like to see this. I've owned most of the big boys cordless impact guns and the W7150 is the most powerful so far. It's insane how much power a cordless impact gun can pack nowadays. 10 years ago, you judge a gun based on whether it'll take off a lug nut. Now? You're chasing after those crank pulley bolts.

If the Milwaukee doesn't win on power, it will with efficiency. 4AH battery plus brushless should extend run time quite a bit, especially with an impact gun that does not see continuous duty.

Not to mention a drill, grinder, sawzall, jig saw, other impacts, and what 50 other tools that share the same battery.. thats a pretty nice feature.

 

[Stuey]

Who is handling the warranty? Northern or Milwaukee?

Sounds like it's just a return to the store, similar to as if the tool was DOA.

I would definitely like to see this. I've owned most of the big boys cordless impact guns and the W7150 is the most powerful so far. It's insane how much power a cordless impact gun can pack nowadays. 10 years ago, you judge a gun based on whether it'll take off a lug nut. Now? You're chasing after those crank pulley bolts.

If the Milwaukee doesn't win on power, it will with efficiency. 4AH battery plus brushless should extend run time quite a bit, especially with an impact gun that does not see continuous duty.

Just to play devil's advocate, IR has more experience designing tools for the automotive shop environment than Milwaukee. That could give them an edge in terms of optimizing the design.

If it comes down to eenie, meenie, miney, mo, I'd go with the Milwaukee, given its brushless motor, higher capacity battery, and expansive M18 tool selection.

 

[the1nonlyjl]

Milwaukee is leading the market right now.

I can see myself getting their 3/8 impact, 1/2 impact, cordless angle grinder, and a heated hoodie in the near future.

Might have to bank some over time soon.

Yeah for now til bosch brushless comes out. Then bosch will be crowned again as a boss of the tool market.

 

[ADSR]

Yeah for now til bosch brushless comes out. Then bosch will be crowned again as a boss of the tool market.

bosch has never been the king of cordless.

 

[crewchief888]

Who is handling the warranty? Northern or Milwaukee?

Sounds like it's just a return to the store, similar to as if the tool was DOA.

it's on it's way back to northern for an exchange.

northern tool, like many retailers has a 30 day store return policy.
after 30 days warranty is to the manufacturer.


it's broke, i dont care who fixes or replaces it,
i use a 3/8" cordless impact every day

 

[the1nonlyjl]

bosch has never been the king of cordless.

Is that so? Mmmmm maybe we should post a video of milky vs bosssssssch once bossssssssch brushless comes out! Bosch ftw! Hey Milky- got milk? lol

 

[ADSR]

Is that so? Mmmmm maybe we should post a video of milky vs bosssssssch once bossssssssch brushless comes out! Bosch ftw! Hey Milky- got milk? lol

When it comes to diesel injection pumps i run, or the jack hammers i use on the job site, bosch is king.

Dewalt has held the crown in the cordless tools for almost 10 years. Fuel is king now, but the 10 year reign held by dewalt is impressive. I'm changing brands right now as well. I only use the best money can buy. If bosch's brushless is better than Red, i will buy all blue.

I've never used any bosch cordless that could out perform my dewalt. And my lumber store gives me any brand/tools to beat the hell out of on my job site for free.

I've used them all.

 

[firebox40dash5]

Hell, I think DeWalt held the crown a LOT longer than a decade... when did their 14.4v stuff come out? I'm a relative youngin' but my dad's been a contractor all my life, and it's been DeWalt almost as long as I can remember, other than maybe a few years with old Makita stick-pack stuff.