Milwaukee m12

[lightning02]

What's everyone's takes on Milwaukee's 2454 and 2404??

I don't own nothing cordless from Milwaukee or any other brand...

are they weak when it's comes to power/tq?
Worth the money or better off with m18?

 

[TK-421]

Depends on what you want to do with them. They'll do a lot of stuff, but they won't do everything. The impact tends to struggle with lugnuts. It'll do them, but it might take a bit. If that's your intention, then go with the M18. If that's not your intention, then the M12 will probably do just fine.

You can get both from cpomilwaukee.com, and if you get the bare tools instead of the kits, then they throw in a free charger and a pair of 2.0 batteries and a bag. Might not be too useful if you only plan on getting these two tools and nothing else from their line. However, it's a good deal if you plan on getting more kits in the future and more chargers/batteries.

 

[lightning02]

for automotive use mostly. wont be using it for lugnuts at all.

 

[firworks]

I use the 2454 all the time and it's one of my favorite tools. It's definitely not weak, but of course has its limits. If you add on the shock wave adapter it's a very versatile tool as well. I don't have a skidhelm wilmore but to me it feels like it's more powerful than the 117ft/lb rating on it. For fun I even used it on a spindle nut and it did take it off, though not quickly.

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Obviously you wouldn't use it like that regularly but it is definitely no slouch.

 

[jd_1138]

I'd probably get the M18 line first for the extra power, and then later the M12 stuff for tighter spots.

The charger will charge both battery voltages, so that will save some money.

 

[theoldwizard1]

For fun I even used it on a spindle nut and it did take it off, though not quickly.

Shouldn't the wheel be off the ground ?

 

[theoldwizard1]

What's everyone's takes on Milwaukee's 2454 and 2404??

I don't own nothing cordless from Milwaukee or any other brand...

are they weak when it's comes to power/tq?
Worth the money or better off with m18?

For the average DIY person, save your money and get the M12 Fuel 3/8" impact (2454). You will save a bundle on batteries, sockets and other add ons.


I missed the sale HD had on last month. I was saving my pennies for the 2454 and the 2408 non-Fuel 3/8 hammer drill (I have an awesome 1/2" drill so I don't need another one). I will be using it a lot with the 1/4" hex adapter for driving/removing screws.

I am specifically looking for smaller and lighter weight so I will be sticking with the standard battery or the 2.0Ah.

I think they are overpriced, unless you can catch a combo sale.

 

[theoldwizard1]

I'd probably get the M18 line first for the extra power, and then later the M12 stuff for tighter spots.

The charger will charge both battery voltages, so that will save some money.

For the average DIY guy, save the money, get the M12 and a 1/2"-3/8" adapter and the 25" HF Pittsburgh Pro 1/2" breaker bar. This will keep a lot of coinage in your pocket !

 

[lightning02]

Tool barn has the 2404-22 and 2454-22 plus 2 free m12 4.0ah batteries for $378 shipped

 

[Voi]

Can't double check right now but I believe the 2454 is actually less compact than both the first & second generation M18 Fuel. If so I'd be hard pressed to choose the M12 over the M18 unless the lighter weight & in line battery of the M12 suited me better.

 

[90zcar]

For the average DIY person, save your money and get the M12 Fuel 3/8" impact (2454). You will save a bundle on batteries, sockets and other add ons.





I missed the sale HD had on last month. I was saving my pennies for the 2454 and the 2408 non-Fuel 3/8 hammer drill (I have an awesome 1/2" drill so I don't need another one). I will be using it a lot with the 1/4" hex adapter for driving/removing screws.



I am specifically looking for smaller and lighter weight so I will be sticking with the standard battery or the 2.0Ah.



I think they are overpriced, unless you can catch a combo sale.

What was the Home Depot sale?


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[1950mercury]

I just bought the 12v fuel hammer drill and 1/4 hex impact and it came with a free saw zall. Also bought the 3/8 12v fuel impact and it came with a free 3/8 ratchet.
On home depot website.

 

[lightning02]

I just bought the 12v fuel hammer drill and 1/4 hex impact and it came with a free saw zall. Also bought the 3/8 12v fuel impact and it came with a free 3/8 ratchet.
On home depot website.

do you have links? i was looking yesterday and didnt notice that, may have missed something.

 

[ruffryder]

do you have links? i was looking yesterday and didnt notice that, may have missed something.

I just bought the same thing as well, but it looks like it is no longer available.

 

[lightning02]

That could be why I didn't see it. Dam!

 

[theoldwizard1]

do you have links? i was looking yesterday and didnt notice that, may have missed something.

Sale ended March 31. I'll bet it comes back in a couple of months.

 

[F150tech]

I love my 2454 use it daily, if I need more power I just go to my ir 2135, but the 2454 is a great addition, I got mine from the hd sale, and got the extra capacity battery free. Tool topic has the exact kit I bought for 199 right on the front page

Sorry www.tooltopia.com

 

[lightning02]

That's good to hear. Thanks for the info.

 

[MrGiggles]

The M12 Fuel 3/8 impact is great. It's one of my most used tools.

I've driven 3" screws into oak timbers with it. It makes every bit of the advertised torque.

It doesn't pull lug nuts very well, but it's not made for that.

Get some impact sockets with it, it really beats up chrome sockets. Between it and the 3/8 ratchet, I hardly use my hand tools anymore.

As a single lineup, the M18 is more versatile at the cost of weight and size.

 

[shockwave]

I have both the Milwaukee 3/8 fuel m12 and snap on 14.4 3/8 impacts they are about neck and neck on power and easily my most used tool from oil changes to timing belts to water pumps

It's a great gun with reliability to boot the m12 can get into spots most m18 cannot which is great for time aswell

 

[firworks]

I'd probably get the M18 line first for the extra power, and then later the M12 stuff for tighter spots.

The charger will charge both battery voltages, so that will save some money.

I wasn't expecting it to be able to move it so was planning to break it free with a breaker bar. Then to my surprise it did get it moving. This is the second one I've done with the car on the ground so the wheel wouldn't move using a breaker bar. I'm seeing now reading on other sites though that people usually have trouble getting them off unless they lift the car. I guess I've gotten lucky so far?

 

[theoldwizard1]

I wasn't expecting it to be able to move it so was planning to break it free with a breaker bar.

Logical !

This is the second one I've done with the car on the ground so the wheel wouldn't move using a breaker bar.

If you really think the impact will get it, just jack it up and let it rip.

 

[Rarified27]

I don't have the 2454, but I have the 2404 and use it almost daily.

After buying the 2404, I immediately sold an 18V DeWalt because the power difference was negligible, especially with the 4ah battery.

I also have the 2453 and it's outstanding. I spent last summer renovating an entire house down to the studs and never needed more power than I had from those guys until I had to drill concrete.

 

[TK-421]

If you're not absolutely desperate for that tool right now, I'd definitely wait for the sale to come back. It's such a nice feeling, and a money saver, to buy the tool you need, and then get the tool you wanted for free.

 

[TK-421]

I don't have the 2454, but I have the 2404 and use it almost daily.

After buying the 2404, I immediately sold an 18V DeWalt because the power difference was negligible, especially with the 4ah battery.

I also have the 2453 and it's outstanding. I spent last summer renovating an entire house down to the studs and never needed more power than I had from those guys until I had to drill concrete.

That's what I noticed too. I used to have an 18v Ryobi, and I don't know if it's just because the technology has changed so much since I bought the Ryobi back when Ni-Cd was a thing, but this dinky little 12v Milwaukee seems to outstrip it in every way. It drove screws through 3/4" plywood like it was nothing, and did it much faster than my old Ryobi. I was tickled pink and had a big grin on my face when I was using it. So much power in something that's half the size of my old drill.

 

[foxtrotlima556]

I went back and forth on 18v vs 12v and I ended up with the 12v fuel. My main goal for it was mostly around the house work. I ended up buying the impact, drill and screwdriver. The screwdriver is great for putting together furniture, ceiling fans, and light duty work.

The drill is an absolute beast. It worked great for running tapcons, drilling hardwood, plywood. The hammer setting is great for running long screws into 2x4s. I have yet to use the impact. It came as the kit so I didnt plan on using it a ton but figured it would be nice to have. Ill have to give it a whirl on some lugs to see how it does.

If you plan on using it for frequent heavy duty work like spindle nuts, or want to and the circular saw or sawzall I would go 18v. Either way they both will work very well.

 

[ruffryder]

I went back and forth on 18v vs 12v and I ended up with the 12v fuel. My main goal for it was mostly around the house work. I ended up buying the impact, drill and screwdriver. The screwdriver is great for putting together furniture, ceiling fans, and light duty work.

Did you get the fuel screwdriver? Or just the regular one? Also, did you get the impact driver or impact wrench?

I got the fuel hammer / impact driver coming, but also thinking about getting the screwdriver. I am not sure if going to fuel for the screwdriver makes sense, since I will have the impact driver already.

Thanks for the info!

 

[Ign]

Did you get the fuel screwdriver? Or just the regular one? Also, did you get the impact driver or impact wrench?

I got the fuel hammer / impact driver coming, but also thinking about getting the screwdriver. I am not sure if going to fuel for the screwdriver makes sense, since I will have the impact driver already.

Thanks for the info!

The Fuel screwdriver is the only one that does make sense as it has 2 speeds, something the original 2401 was dearly lacking. With 2 speeds you can at least reasonably drill stuff around the house w hex shank bits. The 2401 was way too slow for any drilling.

 

[Roobaix]

I have the Fuel screwdriver, the Fuel 1/2" hammer drill, and the Fuel impact. I also have the Bluetooth speaker and the vacuum.

The screwdriver gets used the most by far. It's probably my most used tool. The two speeds are very helpful and it's got enough power to drive smaller screws into wood when needed.

The hammer drill is fantastic too and powerful for its size. I have an 18v Hilti that I use for the bigger jobs like drilling brick and small holes into concrete. The M12 is what I'll use the majority of the time and what I take with me for our offsite locations since it's so much smaller and lighter. I'll see how it performs in masonry the next time I need to drill it.

The impact doesn't get used as much. I need one to sink lag bolts to hang TV's, metal telephone cabinets, me other things like that. It really struggles getting them in, whereas my 18v Hilti impact drives them in like they're nothing.

Overall I think the M12 stuff is fantastic! Very small and very portable, yet powerful enough to do the majority of what I need it to. I'm a telecom guy that is primarily doing cable installation in a hospital and offsite doctors offices.

 

[theoldwizard1]

I don't care for the the "screwdriver" that looks like an impact driver. I have an ancient Black & Decker battery operated screw driver that looks like a screwdriver with a long fat handle. Not fast, but plenty of torque.

 

[malibu101]

I have the Fuel screwdriver, the Fuel 1/2" hammer drill, and the Fuel impact. I also have the Bluetooth speaker and the vacuum.

The screwdriver gets used the most by far. It's probably my most used tool. The two speeds are very helpful and it's got enough power to drive smaller screws into wood when needed.

The hammer drill is fantastic too and powerful for its size. I have an 18v Hilti that I use for the bigger jobs like drilling brick and small holes into concrete. The M12 is what I'll use the majority of the time and what I take with me for our offsite locations since it's so much smaller and lighter. I'll see how it performs in masonry the next time I need to drill it.

The impact doesn't get used as much. I need one to sink lag bolts to hang TV's, metal telephone cabinets, me other things like that. It really struggles getting them in, whereas my 18v Hilti impact drives them in like they're nothing.

Overall I think the M12 stuff is fantastic! Very small and very portable, yet powerful enough to do the majority of what I need it to. I'm a telecom guy that is primarily doing cable installation in a hospital and offsite doctors offices.

I have many M12 tools and have been thinking of adding the vacuum to my arsenal.
What do you think of it?

 

[firebox40dash5]

I'd probably get the M18 line first for the extra power, and then later the M12 stuff for tighter spots.

The charger will charge both battery voltages, so that will save some money.

I went the other way... most of my stuff is M12, with a few exceptions for "heavy" tools that are M18. I only have the M18 sawzall, grinder, 3/8 impact... oh and the vacuum.

I have the M12 hex impact driver rather than the 3/8 since I prefer having a much more powerful gun with a square drive, but I imagine the M12 would be decent as well, and it's not like bare tools (even Fuel) are outrageously expensive. I love the hex driver for interiors and engine bay work though... it's just not much for most undercar stuff.

I used my 2404 the other week to drill half a dozen 5/8 full bit depth holes for floor anchors. I'd flip flopped around originally buying the M12 non-hammer, then adding an M18 hammer drill, then deciding I didn't need the extra size/weight, selling both and buying the 2404. Well, before I was mostly using hammer mode on cinder block... those 5/8 holes had me wondering if I'd made a mistake. It did the job, and reasonably quickly with a fresh battery, but each hole pretty much did in a 4.0 battery. OTOH I've had it 2 or 3 years now, and it just now came up... so just something to chew on.

 

[firworks]

I have many M12 tools and have been thinking of adding the vacuum to my arsenal.
What do you think of it?

What do you want to do with it? It's fairly wimpy but probably fine for its size. I got it because I was tired of uncoiling and plugging in a shop vac each time I need to do a small operation that produces a little saw dust. It's nice for that and with the extension I can use it standing upright on the floor which I didn't expect. I tried to watch some video reviews of it and everyone was like saying See the Makita or the Bosch is better because it picked up 112 bolts and the M12 only picked up 31 and putting them through these ridiculous tests for something that is basically a dirt devil with convenient batteries.

Oh it's also good for cleaning out cars since you don't need to drag hoses around and it has a crevasse(crevice) tool.

 

[Roobaix]

I have many M12 tools and have been thinking of adding the vacuum to my arsenal.
What do you think of it?

I'm happy with it. I **** up drywall dust and little pieces left over from cutting up network and phone cables. It's not super powerful and it's a little noisy but it's probably the best option for me since I have all the M12 stuff already.

It certainly beats having to run to the other side of the hospital, go down three flights of stairs, into the back room, whip out the shop vac, wait for the elevator, and lug it back up to the job site.

 

[malibu101]

What do you want to do with it? It's fairly wimpy but probably fine for its size. I got it because I was tired of uncoiling and plugging in a shop vac each time I need to do a small operation that produces a little saw dust. It's nice for that and with the extension I can use it standing upright on the floor which I didn't expect. I tried to watch some video reviews of it and everyone was like saying See the Makita or the Bosch is better because it picked up 112 bolts and the M12 only picked up 31 and putting them through these ridiculous tests for something that is basically a dirt devil with convenient batteries.

Oh it's also good for cleaning out cars since you don't need to drag hoses around and it has a crevasse(crevice) tool.

I expected the performance to be like a home-type rechargeable DirtDevil.

I'm happy with it. I **** up drywall dust and little pieces left over from cutting up network and phone cables. It's not super powerful and it's a little noisy but it's probably the best option for me since I have all the M12 stuff already.

It certainly beats having to run to the other side of the hospital, go down three flights of stairs, into the back room, whip out the shop vac, wait for the elevator, and lug it back up to the job site.

Thanks guys!
One more thing on my wish list.

 

[firworks]

I expected the performance to be like a home-type rechargeable DirtDevil.



Thanks guys!
One more thing on my wish list.

If that is your expectation I think you will be happy with it. It's a handy little vac and the extension and floor sweep makes it better than a dirt devil.

 

[TK-421]

I have many M12 tools and have been thinking of adding the vacuum to my arsenal.
What do you think of it?

I've got the vacuum and love it. Really handy for small little jobs that need to get done but don't require the big vacuum. Just used it the other day to clean up some crumbs and stuff from my car seats, worked great. It has plenty of power and a good sized waste bin for its size. It does eat up the 2.0 batteries fairly quickly, but it's supposed to get either 30 or 45 minutes on the 4.0, if you have them.

 

[lightning02]

Looks like eveyone is in agreement that the m12 tools I'm lookin at are worth it. That's good to hear.

 

[90zcar]

I just bought the 2407 drill today. It's 129.99 but I noticed the tag where the box was said 99 but up where the display was 129. The guy scanned it and said it should be 129 but told me if I took it up front to tell them it was Mis labeled and I would get it for 99
Here's the display and price

But then down near the floor where there was one left it had this price


They had a kit that had the 1/4" impact with it for $150 but I don't see myself using it enough to justify another $50


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[Ign]

The M12 vacuum is a real let-down. I'm a HUGE Milwaukee fan boy but this thing is a disappointment. It can't do anything more than pull small crumbs and dog hairs off tile. I had cheap Dustbusters 20 years ago that were as good or better.