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Just to let you all know how committed I am for buying only American made products....... I own not a single cordless, preferring to run a cord or grab my generator and a cord, and my older American made drill (I have several) and I'm dead serious! I'm that committed! Last cordless I had was a Bosch 9.6 that I bought new back in the 1980s.

What does going out of your way, to use something less ideal for the job, get you?

How many like you are out there to make a difference?

I'm guessing you don't use power tools for a living.

In 2001, I bought a 5" VS milwaukee angle grinder. It recently needed new brushes, but it is still going strong. I'm fairly sure it is USA made. The new ones look and feel cheap. The V28 tools are great and I used my set everyday as a pro for 7 years, when I changed my line of work. I was hesitant to buy the Chinese stuff as well and wasn't impressed with the first M series stuff that came out. The old 14.4 nicad stuff kept me going. A bit over a year ago, I decided I wanted the M12 stuff. A friend had a set and it worked well. It didn't make sense to buy more 14.4 batteries for tools that were wearing out and less capable.

The M12 drill, impact driver, and ratchet are excellent and they beat using the bit cordless tools when doing small work and they also beat using corded tools (the V28 also beats corded tools for most tasks).

If your choice really made a difference, I would say great, but I think you are giving yourself the short end of the stick.

Not me.... I owned a Milwaukee corded power drill back in 1997 or was that 1995... either case, that **** burned up like expensive POS about $100-ish cash... Throw that to trash and never owned another Milwaukee again.....

There aren't many companies who never have a miss, or individual defective products. Milwaukee isn't the best choice for all tools, but many of their tools are better than the competition. One bad one out of many thousands of good ones isn't a reason I would drop the brand. Was it still under their warranty? Did you check on the price of parts? Back then, stuff was still built to be repaired. It was even possible to replace the motor in my V28 drill. They updated the motor, so it came with a new case as well.

I could understand getting burned multiple times or ending up with a products that just don't get the job done very well and throwing the brand to the curb..........
 
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You will want to sit down for this....

ALL electric drills, and for that matter battery operated tools from DeWalt, Milwaukee, Porter Cable,
Ryobi, Black & Decker, Makita, and pretty much everybody else except ahandful of European made tools are
MADE IN CHINA.

DeWalt will market like hell "Made in" and "Assembled in USA" but really its a small fraction of the overall product that is.

Bite the bullet and buy what you think is best.

This is the cold, hard truth. I am pretty sure even Snap-On's cordless stuff (which is a huge ripoff, btw) is made overseas or at best "assembled in USA from globally sourced parts."
 
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What does going out of your way, to use something less ideal for the job, get you?

How many like you are out there to make a difference?

I'm guessing you don't use power tools for a living.

In 2001, I bought a 5" VS milwaukee angle grinder. It recently needed new brushes, but it is still going strong. I'm fairly sure it is USA made. The new ones look and feel cheap. The V28 tools are great and I used my set everyday as a pro for 7 years, when I changed my line of work. I was hesitant to buy the Chinese stuff as well and wasn't impressed with the first M series stuff that came out. The old 14.4 nicad stuff kept me going. A bit over a year ago, I decided I wanted the M12 stuff. A friend had a set and it worked well. It didn't make sense to buy more 14.4 batteries for tools that were wearing out and less capable.

The M12 drill, impact driver, and ratchet are excellent and they beat using the bit cordless tools when doing small work and they also beat using corded tools (the V28 also beats corded tools for most tasks).

If your choice really made a difference, I would say great, but I think you are giving yourself the short end of the stick.



There aren't many companies who never have a miss, or individual defective products. Milwaukee isn't the best choice for all tools, but many of their tools are better than the competition. One bad one out of many thousands of good ones isn't a reason I would drop the brand. Was it still under their warranty? Did you check on the price of parts? Back then, stuff was still built to be repaired. It was even possible to replace the motor in my V28 drill. They updated the motor, so it came with a new case as well.

I could understand getting burned multiple times or ending up with a products that just don't get the job done very well and throwing the brand to the curb..........

Construction worker from 1981 to 2011. Welder from 2011 to present. Yes I catch ****. I don't care. As far as how many people are out there, I expect that I'm the only one possibly, again, I don't care. It's not why I do it, and I'm not a crusader. I just enjoy the satisfaction of knowing that not one dollar of my money goes to support an American corporation who won't support me or people like me in my country. This is what I'm about.

Were it not a waste of my time, I'd post photos of the 37 X 21 foot portable (transportable on the road) barge with pile driver I'm building right now with all AMERICAN made tools including the guy building it. ME! ;)
 

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Your country is the same as ours. Unions have been responsible for a lot of damage to industry, (take the coal mining industry over here as a prime example. The person running/fronting the union profited handsomely, whilst an entire way of life was decimated due partly/mainly to the union), coupled with workers expectations as to worth becoming unrealistic. Also, younger generations seem largely unwilling to get their hands dirty. All self inflicted injuries, IMHO.

Add to that, government regulations. From EPA to healthcare. The common thread is all of it makes production here more expensive/less competitive. Of course not all of any of this is necessarily bad, but China is willing to do anything to win the race to the bottom. Or were for many years, anyway... not that I'm a scholar of it, but I've heard rumblings of China slowly realizing that being the world's slave labor capital and environmental dumping ground is maybe not a viable long-term strategy.

I'm not a fan of "offshore everything and keep prices the same, watch our margins skyrocket", but I also understand there's a lot of markets where trying to keep production domestic would've meant the product would be stratospherically priced, and/or the market for the product would disappear. Look at the $99 Fuel drill or impact kits HD had for the holidays in the organizer box... how many of us do you think would've paid $200+ for a US made one (but wouldn't buy the PRC) one vs. how many of the general public that did buy one bit would've walked right past the US made one?

And in other news... it's quite possible to make a product shoddily with US labor. I've seen some REALLY lazy & incompetent employees, union or not. And they're STILL expensive. And if you're willing to do the work to make sure you get it... you can get quality work from even China. Most don't (and I've always heard it severely erodes the price difference when you enforce the QC needed) but it can be done.
 

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Construction worker from 1981 to 2011. Welder from 2011 to present. Yes I catch ****. I don't care. As far as how many people are out there, I expect that I'm the only one possibly, again, I don't care. It's not why I do it, and I'm not a crusader. I just enjoy the satisfaction of knowing that not one dollar of my money goes to support an American corporation who won't support me or people like me in my country. This is what I'm about.

Were it not a waste of my time, I'd post photos of the 37 X 21 foot portable (transportable on the road) barge with pile driver I'm building right now with all AMERICAN made tools including the guy building it. ME! ;)

Do you have a television
 

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FWIW Milwaukee still has a HQ\office in Brookfield, WI. Judging from the job openings they still do some design\engineering there.

Hmmm...

Would suspect that you must have a visa and not be a citizen....
 

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At least someone does their research.... TTI is a German family-owned (majority shares), HK China based company. I think a lot of misconception just because it is a China based company..... These COO topics never get old like some youngguy mentioned before.

Am I missing something here - it says made in China (just sayin)

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Looks like most of their newer stuff is made in China or Taiwan.

Some Makita tools are made in USA or Japan, but most are made in China.

Festool and Hilti I believe are all still made in Germany.

Wow, I stand corrected. I wonder when they moved their cordless drill production to the far east? The last cordless Metabo drill/driver I bought was 4-5 years ago and it was still Germany.
 

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Apples and oranges but my corded Milwaukee Sawzall was made in USA with USA & foreign components. The cordless Sawzall/Hackzall are Chinese.

I got it new last year. I think i read something online about their core & mag drills being made here too, but not 100% on that.
 
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They do make brushless none fuel tools, not sure why nobody posted them for you yet, I guess they wanted you in the rest home :lol_hitti

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauk...w-2-Batteries-Charger-Bag-2799-22CX/205846386

😅😅 They can be forgiven. I did not make it very clear what my real question was. I still would like to find the answer. What makes a tool a Fuel? Some tools are brushless and have the redlithium batteries etc yet do not carry the Fuel label.

I just surmised the non Fuel brushless tools might be a different brushless design line being manufactured very cheaply in a factory in China, perhaps same tool as Riobi or Rigid or something. Seeing the saw made in China played on my ignorance about the myth of Milwaukee made in the USA.

Milwaukee wants to use the Fuel name for some purpose on me, so what is it supposed to mean. Maybe not much. It seems to me that when I walk into Home Depot and see a big Milwaukee tools display there should be some useful guide in sorting out what I am getting when I see tools with prices all over the place. I usually am willing to pay more for good performance and function. I don’t know if I care if it is Fuel or not.
 

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You will want to sit down for this....

ALL electric drills, and for that matter battery operated tools from DeWalt, Milwaukee, Porter Cable,
Ryobi, Black & Decker, Makita, and pretty much everybody else except ahandful of European made tools are
MADE IN CHINA.

DeWalt will market like hell "Made in" and "Assembled in USA" but really its a small fraction of the overall product that is.

Bite the bullet and buy what you think is best.

Dewalt 20 volt brushed tools are made in Mexico. Makita 1/2" spade drills are assembled in USA.

Nothing against the quality of Milwaukee tools, but I have to give credit to DeWalt and Makita for investing and employing people in other countries beside China

These 2 Makita tools used to be made in Canada, but the latest versions are made (assembled) in the USA.
 

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���� They can be forgiven. I did not make it very clear what my real question was. I still would like to find the answer. What makes a tool a Fuel? Some tools are brushless and have the redlithium batteries etc yet do not carry the Fuel label.
It just denotes it is the highest performer in the line, which means that it has to be brushless. Like a Viper GTS ves a regular one.
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FWIW Milwaukee still has a HQ\office in Brookfield, WI. Judging from the job openings they still do some design\engineering there.
Hmmm...

Would suspect that you must have a visa and not be a citizen....
Really???
Nissan, BMW and VW all do too. Does that make them American, or me a noncitizen?

I'd venture to say Milwaukee's Canadian cells have been one of the worst things to disgrace the power tool industry ever. The Chinese M stuff has proven itself to be far superior.
 
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China, Taiwan etc.. are where companies are investing their money into better production facilities.

I'm willing to bet that if a company asked a manufacturer in one of those modern facilities to make a tool as best as they possibly could, it would far exceed any tool made in the west, including electronics, hand tools, hammers etc..

If you get a badly made tool from china or Taiwan its because the company said to the producer to make it for peanuts, simple as that.
 
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Wow, I stand corrected. I wonder when they moved their cordless drill production to the far east? The last cordless Metabo drill/driver I bought was 4-5 years ago and it was still Germany.

I couldn't find anything on Metabo's website that showed country of origin. I just perused Ebay to find used tools with pictures of their COO stickers.

It looks like the actual drills are still made in Germany. The newer impact drivers and impact wrenches are made in Taiwan/China. The batteries and chargers look like they're made in China also.

It does seem though that the reputable brands can make good tools in China, at least power tools.

Would I rather have a $400 Metabo drill made in Germany or a $300 Metabo drill made in China? Tough call.

Wiha, Wera, and Knipex are starting to make more of their tools in Poland/Serbia/Czech/Hungary/etc. instead of Germany. Will their quality go down? We'll see I guess.
 

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Wiha, Wera, and Knipex are starting to make more of their tools in Poland/Serbia/Czech/Hungary/etc. instead of Germany. Will their quality go down? We'll see I guess.

This has as much to do with European union politics as it does cost cutting with cheaper labour, there hasn't been a quality reduction in anything I have had, so far.
 

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To answer your question OP-
FUEL = top of the line brushless (see also OneKey)
"Brushless" brushless w/ less features or performance
Non-fuel or M series = standard motor, lowest tier.


Dewalt 20 volt brushed tools are made in Mexico. Makita 1/2" spade drills are assembled in USA.

Nothing against the quality of Milwaukee tools, but I have to give credit to DeWalt and Makita for investing and employing people in other countries beside China

These 2 Makita tools used to be made in Canada, but the latest versions are made (assembled) in the USA.

Uh, I didnt realize Dewalt had moved some production to Mexico. Still does nothing for USA labor/market but good to know.

And yes, that was a blanket comment by me. There is a smattering of tools that are manufactured outside of China/Taiwan, which are almost exclusively the higher tiered/priced products of that brand.

Again, a handful of European companies still offer a majority of their lineup from Europe and a very select few other companies either rebrand those or it is their highest quality/price tiered lineup made in Japan, Germany, USA etc..
 
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And the Rip Van Winkle award goes to...

The O.P. of this thread!

Ha . I have been awake just hoping for some one to address the the technical part of my question. What makes a tool a FUEL. There are several brushless tools with the same battery as the FUEL models. I just threw in the bit about made in China as a possible explanation for that line of tools and that was born out of my gullibility about made in America claims I had heard about Milwaukee tools.

Rip Van Winkle led an interesting life:bounce: I really don’t want to copy him though. So wake me up. What is a FUEL?
 

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Here's the thing. At times I'm forced to buy a chinese/foreign made tool. There just are no American made equivalent available. But I'll be god damned if I buy one with an American company's name on it. That includes, but not limited to, hand and power tools by the likes of Craftsman, De Walt, Porter Cable, Milwaukee, Snap-on, Mac,
Vise-grip, Stanley, and Crescent.
 

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Are Ryobi and Milwaukee made by the same company?
Yup, TTI, based in Hong Kong and manufactured where ever, usually China. Milwakee does have a presence in Wisconsin but they are foreign owned. Domino sugar even owned Milwaukee for a while but it was an American company back then. TTI also owns several of the well known vacuum cleaner brands.

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Ha . I have been awake just hoping for some one to address the the technical part of my question. What makes a tool a FUEL. There are several brushless tools with the same battery as the FUEL models. I just threw in the bit about made in China as a possible explanation for that line of tools and that was born out of my gullibility about made in America claims I had heard about Milwaukee tools.

Rip Van Winkle led an interesting life:bounce: I really don’t want to copy him though. So wake me up. What is a FUEL?
Wake up! you had your answer in post 58, and again in post 64 of this thread.
 
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This :thumbup:

OP read your own thread. :beer:

Read but still sleeping, - what would have awakened me (rip van winkle) would have been something like, Fuel has more durable motor with more cooling for endurance in sustained use, or smoother speed control or whatever.

I cut my teeth on tool shopping at Sears with their Good Better or Best. You could get a good drill or a better drill or a best with best always costing a good deal more. After servicing a few of those I found that best usually meant some kind of, what I would call, fluff. Like a nice sounding feature I would never use or a piece of trim that I didn't want. But the thing is sometimes best really meant a longer life motor, or longer cord or what not. Knowing that I would make my choice. Some body in the store could usually offer a good explanation for what best was but mostly you got some kind of answer such as "better performing" which could have simply this is the only machine on the market that can dry one sock with out getting confused.

So on this vein I accept that the Brushless label excludes something found on the Fuel models. Something specific like longer life bearings, better cooling, 90% duty cycle versus 70% on the Brushless label. Actually I have no idea what Fuel adds to the soup. I hate deliberately vague marketing stuff but I tolerate it from a brand that I trust because I know they have to survive in a world full of artsey fartsey customers. BTW these are usually the funnest people to be around, just don't think like I do.

In my hiring days when I saw "super worker" or "outstanding performer" type words on a resume and I was not given a clue as to whether this person could leap over tall buildings or had to be assisted with his walking cane up a stairway, I didn't bother checking into the resume any further. I know Milwaukee is basically to be trusted (they make "great" tools, a bit of sarcasm injected here for fun) but I still would like to understand a little better how to shop their tools. Actually "Made in China" would only be a side item in my research. That leaves a wide mark as to whether it is good or not. The mark narrows when you understand the manufacturing and marketing strategy of the company you are dealing with.

After all --- I am about to say enough of this calico tool bin stuff I want a platform that I can just run to the store and add what ever tool I need with out having to fart around like this trying to figure out what they are selling. Not accusing them of doing that. But sometimes they do not help as much as I would like. But to their credit< I would have already made the jump to Dewalt except they do not have a Hydraulic drive impact driver or a brushless circular saw. Those are the two tool that "woke me up" Yes I have been Rip Van Winkle. I have been using tools I bought 10 years ago without following the advances that have been made.

So far all I have learned from this thread, is tools labeled FUEL are more better than tools labeled BRUSHLESS. so I slumber.
 

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So far all I have learned from this thread, is tools labeled FUEL are more better than tools labeled BRUSHLESS. so I slumber.

Supposedly better. I've still not seen an answer regarding any actual differences. I suppose it could be something akin to the Bosch green & blue setup, where one is aimed at domestic & the other trade.
 

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Okay, you seem to want to be hand fed information.

Anyways Dewalt does make a brushless circular saw, in 20v and 60v. And they both use 7 1/4 blade instead of the little 6.5s.
 

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For each cordless tool Milwaukee has 3 levels all made in China. Fuel being the most powerful. DeWalt has 2 versions, brushed made in Mexico and brushless assembled in USA with global components. Makita has the most models of any given cordless tool, most are made in China.

You have to do your own research on whatever tool you are interested in, whether its a cordless deep cut bandsaw, grease gun or 1/4 impact driver
 
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Okay, you seem to want to be hand fed information.

Anyways Dewalt does make a brushless circular saw, in 20v and 60v. And they both use 7 1/4 blade instead of the little 6.5s.

Thanks. I specifically wanted 6 1/2 saw when I started looking. No Dewalt brushless. Then in the past year, having impact drivers become a frequent go to tool, so much so that I could appreciate the hydraulic one having tried a brother in laws Makita, I again looed to Dewalt. No hydraulic impact.

So Milwaukee here I came and looking at them for the first time except for a few corded ones back in the nineties. So I needed to get a few things sorted out and having recently discovered this site which is absolutely terrific with a fair amount of newbies and respectful experts thrown in I opted to inquire here bout the meaning of the different Milwaukee lines. I could have followed a more accurate path to find the information to my questions but with this site bubbling over with Milwaukee enthusiasts I thought one of them would chime in with some hard won and precise information.

I guess they forgot the spoon::bounce: or I didn’t notice it.:)
 

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I suspect that the Brushless series is just a derated version of the FUEL series.

With how much the electronics play a role in these new drills it wouldnt surprise me.

Lots of companies do this to their product lines, take point-n-shoot cameras or phones, many times they use the exact same hardware and derate the software to differentiate upper and lower tiers. 12mp camera for this one, 8mp camera for that one.

But in the name of proper method, I contacted Milwaukee Tools about this topic. Ill post the response when I get it.
 

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The name is nothing more than a label stuck on a china product being sold at union prices. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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I suspect that the Brushless series is just a derated version of the FUEL series.

With how much the electronics play a role in these new drills it wouldnt surprise me.

Lots of companies do this to their product lines, take point-n-shoot cameras or phones, many times they use the exact same hardware and derate the software to differentiate upper and lower tiers. 12mp camera for this one, 8mp camera for that one.

But in the name of proper method, I contacted Milwaukee Tools about this topic. Ill post the response when I get it.

Contacting Milwaukee seems very logical, but with so much legal speak and marketing stance built into their answers I have grown discouraged from doing that with lots of companies. Maybe Milwaukee is in a different game and I will have a duh moment when you come back with straightforward information.
 
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