Re: Milwaukee make in China?
Makita is Japanese and still not necessary made in the USA, but you are ok with that ???
Makita is Japanese and still not necessary made in the USA, but you are ok with that ???
Milwaukee made in China?
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Re: Milwaukee make in China?
Does it really matter to you since you are obviously anti American products? The way people such as yourself veraciously defend America building things in China then selling it back to us. I already explained myself in post number 106. I didn't spell it out, but if you still don't get it, I'll break it down for you. You can't tell, but I AM being respectful.
Does it really matter to you since you are obviously anti American products? The way people such as yourself veraciously defend America building things in China then selling it back to us. I already explained myself in post number 106. I didn't spell it out, but if you still don't get it, I'll break it down for you. You can't tell, but I AM being respectful.
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Dewalt does build some of them in America. They're more expensive, but not that much more. I know Home Depot offered them when last I visited.
Dewalt does build some of them in America. They're more expensive, but not that much more. I know Home Depot offered them when last I visited.
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I don't know if I posted in this thread before, and I'm not reading 7 pages of arguing that I'm sure is largely made up from people that like to invent their own facts..
I suggest some of you read up on the history of TTI, and their purchase of Ryobi,Milwaukee, and who TTI (as a company) actually is, and who actually owns it. Then I'd suggest you'd look into how corporate acquisitions actually work, and explore the FACT that Milwaukee is a USA based company that employs about 4,000 people. Next, look into WHY their cordless tools are made overseas. You might also stumble on the fact that many of their items come from many different countries, including this one.
after that, I suggest you reexamine your political beliefs with an open mind, and ask yourself WHY exactly manufacturing jobs went overseas or across the boarder to begin with.
The notion that manufacturing jobs, and companies "will never" or "can't ever" return to the states is delusional. The concept of "there is no work force here" might be the single dumbest thing I've read on here.
Lastly - buying used/old American made tools second hand to "spite" the Chinese companies, and "support American made items" is laughable. Your contribution does precisely **** to help the American economy.
This is the exact same argument you get with people that are so "anti harbor freight" they refuse to even walk in the store. Which is ironic, cause number one - it's an American owned company to begin with, and if you ever bothered to look - you'd notice MANY made in the USA products, being sold in an American Owned Company, which -unless I'm wrong- is EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED FOR.
I don't know if I posted in this thread before, and I'm not reading 7 pages of arguing that I'm sure is largely made up from people that like to invent their own facts..
I suggest some of you read up on the history of TTI, and their purchase of Ryobi,Milwaukee, and who TTI (as a company) actually is, and who actually owns it. Then I'd suggest you'd look into how corporate acquisitions actually work, and explore the FACT that Milwaukee is a USA based company that employs about 4,000 people. Next, look into WHY their cordless tools are made overseas. You might also stumble on the fact that many of their items come from many different countries, including this one.
after that, I suggest you reexamine your political beliefs with an open mind, and ask yourself WHY exactly manufacturing jobs went overseas or across the boarder to begin with.
The notion that manufacturing jobs, and companies "will never" or "can't ever" return to the states is delusional. The concept of "there is no work force here" might be the single dumbest thing I've read on here.
Lastly - buying used/old American made tools second hand to "spite" the Chinese companies, and "support American made items" is laughable. Your contribution does precisely **** to help the American economy.
This is the exact same argument you get with people that are so "anti harbor freight" they refuse to even walk in the store. Which is ironic, cause number one - it's an American owned company to begin with, and if you ever bothered to look - you'd notice MANY made in the USA products, being sold in an American Owned Company, which -unless I'm wrong- is EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED FOR.
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Re: Milwaukee make in China?
I am not anti American products, I have plenty of tools, appliances that are made in America all the way back from the 70s and 80s,90, 00 and now as well... If you ever search this forum, you'll see me bashing **** products or services (FU channelLock warranty), regardless of COO. I don't go on a forum and pro-american made and subconsciously slipped out that I bough Mikita and Bosch back in the 80s, that have help put the American tool companies out of business, then go pro-american about USA manufacturing but OK with tools make in any other country other than China. Back in the 80s 90s Chinese made products especially tools were insignificant competition to the USA tools and market. Bosch, Mikita and plenty of other are strong direct competition to the USA tools. Basically, what you are preaching is contradicting with your actions....I am not sure if that is subconsciously or not.
My view has always stood this way, I buy tools that I needed and fits the purpose and budget for the job I am working on or needed to be done, regardless of COO, In my definition, there are good tools, bad tools, good services, bad services and companies that have ****** services that have burned me once or twice, I am willing to do without.
Milwaukee and ChannelLock are one of those, but not because of COO.
I am not anti American products, I have plenty of tools, appliances that are made in America all the way back from the 70s and 80s,90, 00 and now as well... If you ever search this forum, you'll see me bashing **** products or services (FU channelLock warranty), regardless of COO. I don't go on a forum and pro-american made and subconsciously slipped out that I bough Mikita and Bosch back in the 80s, that have help put the American tool companies out of business, then go pro-american about USA manufacturing but OK with tools make in any other country other than China. Back in the 80s 90s Chinese made products especially tools were insignificant competition to the USA tools and market. Bosch, Mikita and plenty of other are strong direct competition to the USA tools. Basically, what you are preaching is contradicting with your actions....I am not sure if that is subconsciously or not.
My view has always stood this way, I buy tools that I needed and fits the purpose and budget for the job I am working on or needed to be done, regardless of COO, In my definition, there are good tools, bad tools, good services, bad services and companies that have ****** services that have burned me once or twice, I am willing to do without.
Milwaukee and ChannelLock are one of those, but not because of COO.
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Just wanted to fix that part for you.
I was just being real, since technically, the only difference between illegal and legal is the stroke of a pen.
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I made the comment about the work force.
We have a great work force, but in no way will it handle bringing back a significant amount of hands on manufacturing, from overseas.
Many existing Factories are already begging for workers.
That's not going to improve ever in this country, unless there is another "baby boom", or we bring in a shitload of immigrants and we all know how that goes.
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The Japanese were obsessed with perfection, until they too, realized using expensive labor to build products that last forever, is not really the most profitable business model.
But FWIW one can buy a Canon camera made out of plastic and manufactured in China that is inexpensive, durable and takes good pictures.
Things change
Also American made Toyotas, or were of lesser quality than their Japanese model counterparts,
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kythri
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I'm not going to wade into the Pro-America/Anti-Chinese dickwaving that has, yet again, reared it's head, but I will say this:
A strong secondary market (used) helps drive the primary market (new). It provides a purchasing source for those who can't/won't utilize the primary market, and it provides funding to those who can/will.
It's kind of a crucial part of our economy.
Now, that said, it certainly doesn't DIRECTLY help the primary market, and it's contribution to the primary market is significantly less than direct consumers of the primary market, but it's still a contribution.
Much like HF's sales of import goods provide thousands of direct jobs (retail) and contributes indirectly to other jobs (port jobs, customs jobs, etc.), the secondary market provides a LOT of jobs, too. Think about all the pawn shops, used book stores, used car sales, etc., not to mention all of the people selling used stuff on eBay, CL, and similar sites.
The fact that we have a strong secondary market here in the US is a VERY good thing for the economy.
That said, to riff off of your statement: The money paid for used US stuff is, much of the time, being used to buy new imported stuff, so trying to take the moral high ground by only buying used US-made stuff is just deluding oneself. They're contributing to the economy, but they're not contributing to the solution that they want to see in any way.
I'm not going to wade into the Pro-America/Anti-Chinese dickwaving that has, yet again, reared it's head, but I will say this:
A strong secondary market (used) helps drive the primary market (new). It provides a purchasing source for those who can't/won't utilize the primary market, and it provides funding to those who can/will.
It's kind of a crucial part of our economy.
Now, that said, it certainly doesn't DIRECTLY help the primary market, and it's contribution to the primary market is significantly less than direct consumers of the primary market, but it's still a contribution.
Much like HF's sales of import goods provide thousands of direct jobs (retail) and contributes indirectly to other jobs (port jobs, customs jobs, etc.), the secondary market provides a LOT of jobs, too. Think about all the pawn shops, used book stores, used car sales, etc., not to mention all of the people selling used stuff on eBay, CL, and similar sites.
The fact that we have a strong secondary market here in the US is a VERY good thing for the economy.
That said, to riff off of your statement: The money paid for used US stuff is, much of the time, being used to buy new imported stuff, so trying to take the moral high ground by only buying used US-made stuff is just deluding oneself. They're contributing to the economy, but they're not contributing to the solution that they want to see in any way.
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I wish I had the money to pick and choose what I buy based on COO. But I don't, so unless someone wants to bankroll my purchases I will continue to buy items of good value without regard as to where they are made. Lord knows no one else is looking out for my income, so I guess it's up to me to make do.
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LOL it is 2018 folks. If they can manufacture my iPhone, they can manufacture my drills. This whole made in USA chase is silly. All it does is making US less competitive. Are we afraid of competition? Oh the game is not fair you say? Sounds like snow flake to me.
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Lol "Buy American " - off craigslist!
What a crock of ****.
Companies will resist going overseas when they have strong sales for their domestic made products.
Countless post here have bragged about buying craftsman tools at yard sales and swap meets then taking them to the store for free replacement.
And they have the audacity to complain that the replacement tools are made in China.
Well, no ****!
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What a crock of ****.
Companies will resist going overseas when they have strong sales for their domestic made products.
Countless post here have bragged about buying craftsman tools at yard sales and swap meets then taking them to the store for free replacement.
And they have the audacity to complain that the replacement tools are made in China.
Well, no ****!
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kctyphoon
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You show me a manufacturing facility for a LARGE Company - that offers good pay / benefits - that is BEGGING for workers... my last company tried to recruit for 36 jobs. they got over 3000 applications..
The only companies left begging for workers are those that wanna pay nothing and have you work 60hr weeks. If you think for a minute that if the day comes (which it soon might) that Ford, Chrysler, GM reopen new plants in Michigan - that they would have to BEG for workers? Sorry, buddy - but a severe drought of unskilled laborers is one problem this country does NOT have..
You have half the country fighting over allowing illegal immigration to continue unchecked as it has for the last few decades cause "those poor people just want a better life" (which I feel everyone deserves the OPPORTUNITY, but laws need to be followed just like I have to follow them) which is again ironic, cause it's those same people complaining about not having job opportunities in the inner cities, chanting in the street for a $15/hr minimum wage (as if every 15 year old kid needs that - and companies will just keep the same number of employees right after you voted to double their payroll expense), supporting the idea that "big companies should have to pay more taxes - just cause they have more money then us", and then supporting party platforms that say their idea to "fix" the economy is to have people go into debt by going to college, and hope that "they will ONE DAY" open up small businesses to create jobs - knowing that 80% of all businesses FAIL, yet somehow they magically expect "Mike's Hardware Store" to produce the same standard of living as FORD, and ATT does for its employee's. you ask why Companies ran away to China - here's your answer - half the country has been demanding it to happen, and they are too dumb to realize their demands are ultimately the demise of a once booming economy.
Don't even start me on the "let's continue to support illegal immigration, and socialism will save us" crowd... let's just get rid of US Customs all together - it's such a great idea...
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What year is this, 1973?
Not sure about your area, but in my state $15/hr - what they want for minmum wage everywhere, would kick-*** pay for many factory jobs, (so so or no benefits), giving a standard of living, that is still not all that, even for Indiana.
Toyota only averages about $18/hr
Carrier paid great, but now their heading to Mexico.
Sure, GM has no problem getting recruits, which they need few, because no one quits.
When all those China jobs are "resourced", back here, they are not going to pay $36/hr, with a no-deductible Delta Dental plan.
I don't believe thousands, will be lining up to stamp and heat treat, box end wrenches, for $11/hr, at least here. Maybe they will elsewhere.
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What year is this, 1973?
Not sure about your area, but in my state $15/hr - what they want for minmum wage everywhere, would kick-*** pay for many factory jobs, (so so or no benefits), giving a standard of living, that is still not all that, even for Indiana.
Toyota only averages about $18/hr
Carrier paid great, but now their heading to Mexico.
Sure, GM has no problem getting recruits, which they need few, because no one quits.
When all those China jobs are "resourced", back here, they are not going to pay $36/hr, with a no-deductible Delta Dental plan.
I don't believe thousands, will be lining up to stamp and heat treat, box end wrenches, for $11/hr, at least here. Maybe they will elsewhere.
Again. Show me a LARGE company that's offering $11/hr top pay for employees.. the problem, is most of the big companies were run out of the country, and what's left is small, ******** places that offer you nothing cause they are more than happy to pay people that shouldn't be here in the first place, or find people that are so desperate cause choices are not around. Labor unions get broken - morons applaud cause of anti union propaganda, people are dumb enough to support it - not releasing the union scales are what set the bar for non union work to have to compete with to get qualified employees. yea - union guy gets $40/hr - the stuff they contract out might be for $30-.. get rid of the union and guess what - now they'll offer you $20 and tell you "if you don't want it, I'll find someone who will" - and enter in the imported work force that will over time just drive labor costs down even lower.. it becomes a reverse Monopoly where once big companies with no competition could charge anything they want, no what's left has little competition and offers **** pay cause someone will take it.
Here is the thing most people don't understand - there is only one thing that drives economy - CONSUMERS... you fight to have lower paying jobs for everyone just cause you don't have it yourself - great idea, now everyone is broke and you made sure to eliminate the opportunity you had to maybe make a better living for yourself, just cause you were jealous of your neighbor.
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If you do an audit of your processions the vast majority by value is not Chinese. I mean a proper audit including the carpets on the floors to the glass in the windows.
I'm in England and this is a summary:
Hand and corded power tools mainly German Stahlwille, Metabo, Fein and Flex, with some French made Facom socket sets and Thor British made hammers. PB Swiss screwdrivers and small precision tools. Snap-On ratchets USA, Hilti Liechtenstein.
Sebo and Miele vacuum cleaners both German made.
Lawnmower Honda made in Japan plus a smaller British made Mountfield with an American engine.
Axes Sweden. Smaller garden tools from Germany, Sweden and Britain. Garden hose France.
Cars BMW 5 series made in Germany and X-5 USA. Peugeot 406 coupe France and Pininfarina Italy. Few Chinese parts in any of it.
Motorcycle British. Off-road KTM Austrian.
Various cycles and parts mainly Taiwan.
Walking boots Lowa made in Germany. Hanwag a German company made in Slovenia I think it is.
Binoculars Leica made in Portugal.
Camera and Lenses mainly Canon made in Japan plus some older Nikon also made in Japan.
Boxing gloves made by Shevlin in the US
White goods mostly Bosch made in eastern Europe. Kitchen knifes Japanese, French and British.
Running shoes mainly Vietnam and Thailand.
Gloves British. Leather jackets made by Eastman in England. Leather shoes Crockett and Jones, Trickers and Grenville all British. Shirts all British. Formal jackets Italian and a few British.
Watch Sinn German with Swiss movement.
Alarm clock Braun made in Germany plus some old super 8 cameras.
Furniture mainly British with the inevitable odd IKEA item.
Porcelain, mainly made by my Mum who is a potter.
Carpets British and rugs Middle east.
Various antiques
Mobile phone, Nokia made in Finland, new one made in Vietnam
Grado headphones possibly American ?
TV Panasonic plasma made in Japan
Laptops Sony, Asus, Canon printer, Dell monitor and storage all unfortunately made in China ! Canton sound base, a German company but I think quite a few Chinese bits.
In 2016 the 3 biggest importers into the UK where
1) Germany 14.8%
2) China 9.8%
3)United States 9.2%
and the biggest UK export markets
1)United States 14.6%
2)Germany 10.1%
I'm in England and this is a summary:
Hand and corded power tools mainly German Stahlwille, Metabo, Fein and Flex, with some French made Facom socket sets and Thor British made hammers. PB Swiss screwdrivers and small precision tools. Snap-On ratchets USA, Hilti Liechtenstein.
Sebo and Miele vacuum cleaners both German made.
Lawnmower Honda made in Japan plus a smaller British made Mountfield with an American engine.
Axes Sweden. Smaller garden tools from Germany, Sweden and Britain. Garden hose France.
Cars BMW 5 series made in Germany and X-5 USA. Peugeot 406 coupe France and Pininfarina Italy. Few Chinese parts in any of it.
Motorcycle British. Off-road KTM Austrian.
Various cycles and parts mainly Taiwan.
Walking boots Lowa made in Germany. Hanwag a German company made in Slovenia I think it is.
Binoculars Leica made in Portugal.
Camera and Lenses mainly Canon made in Japan plus some older Nikon also made in Japan.
Boxing gloves made by Shevlin in the US
White goods mostly Bosch made in eastern Europe. Kitchen knifes Japanese, French and British.
Running shoes mainly Vietnam and Thailand.
Gloves British. Leather jackets made by Eastman in England. Leather shoes Crockett and Jones, Trickers and Grenville all British. Shirts all British. Formal jackets Italian and a few British.
Watch Sinn German with Swiss movement.
Alarm clock Braun made in Germany plus some old super 8 cameras.
Furniture mainly British with the inevitable odd IKEA item.
Porcelain, mainly made by my Mum who is a potter.
Carpets British and rugs Middle east.
Various antiques
Mobile phone, Nokia made in Finland, new one made in Vietnam
Grado headphones possibly American ?
TV Panasonic plasma made in Japan
Laptops Sony, Asus, Canon printer, Dell monitor and storage all unfortunately made in China ! Canton sound base, a German company but I think quite a few Chinese bits.
In 2016 the 3 biggest importers into the UK where
1) Germany 14.8%
2) China 9.8%
3)United States 9.2%
and the biggest UK export markets
1)United States 14.6%
2)Germany 10.1%
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No argument from me.
My son worked in the quality control department for plastics plant bumping his pay up to $15 an hour.
That's four dollars an hour more than he would've made, if he worked on the international Harvester assembly line - 40 years ago.
The better people are paid more money they spend.
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Real_PhillBert
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I'm not about to come here and say that Milwaukee makes a poor product; in fact I think they make some fantastic products. With that said, the fact that Dewalt does at least assemble some of their tools in the US was a major factor in me choosing to go to the yellow battery standard. I know that few if any of the sub parts are US made, but assembly in the US means they do at least some American manufacturing. If the price isn't too much different, which it isn't, I like to support the US made products over Chinese produced products.
reader2580
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Why is it okay to buy a used item made in China, but not okay to buy a new item made in China? The money still went to China when it was originally purchased.
The money used to buy the Chinese item could have been used instead to buy something made in the USA instead.
No, Dell, bought used. Money stayed here in THIS country! There is no doubt that a person will buy something made in China by an American corporation, but I actually go out of my way to support American jobs. Do you?
Why is it okay to buy a used item made in China, but not okay to buy a new item made in China? The money still went to China when it was originally purchased.
The money used to buy the Chinese item could have been used instead to buy something made in the USA instead.
reader2580
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How does it make the USA less competitive by wanting buy goods made in the USA?
The USA averages about a $500 billion trade deficit. We would probably have between five and ten million more Americans employed if that same $500 billion was spent in the USA instead.
kctyphoon
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Here's the thing, for those that haven't bothered to look themselves.. Milwaukee, Ryobi are owned by TTI.. TTI "IS" the manufacturer... get it? They aren't outsourcing anything.. they "ARE" the place that makes them. They bought brands so they could control their own destiny instead of having to make what they were told to make.. NOW - they can make whatever they want, how they want it - cause they OWN the tool companies they make stuff FOR.. They are not about to ask or have ANOTHER manufacturer make their products, cause THATS WHAT THEY DO THEMSELVES.
No body is stopping anyone from buying American made.... what the oxymoron thing is .... Pro-American manufacturing, buy American Made, **** it's ok to buy things made from any other countries other than China.... That to me is not pro-American made, just some one COO trolling behind the pro-American made movement. Since when do we become a country of oxymoron and whiners started to accusing other country of being an Economic Terrorist just because the economy didn't swing in our favor ?
Where are we going to find 5 to 10 million people willing to work in a factory for $11 an hour?
Just curious, since at least around here seems like just about every factory I see has a now hiring sign out front, because they can't recruit or retain employees because the work is hard and the pay is relatively crappy.
That $500 billion is going to go into the pocket of the companies, not the employees, Who will just have another ****** tedious job.
We all get to start paying way more money for everything, with no guarantee we will start making more money ourselves.
At least by buying imported goods, Americans have more money to do something else with - like pay their rent and by gasoline.
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reader2580
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It isn't about avoiding China for me. It is about buying Made in USA (or Canada) as much as possible. It isn't always possible, or the price difference is just too much.
finn
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That’s like being a little bit pregnant, or, I buy American, except when I don’t.
The reason people buy things overseas include possible better cost, style, quality, or availability..
If the price differential is too much for you, you’re talking through your hat and are no different than the millions of other “little bit pregnant” people.
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Kctyphoon, you hit the nail on the head. Yet the "average American" is too stupid to realize all, and possibly any, of the points you've made. The Rush Limbaugh "ditto heads" have brainwashed themselves into a lifetime of minimum wage jobs. Without "Big Business" there is no business. Mom and Pop companies aren't going to increase anybody's standard of living except their own. What's good for General Motors is good for the country was true in 1950 and it's true today. Americans have gotten a lot dumber in the last sixty years. The Germans will never give up manufacturing but then again they're got a PhD Chemical Engineer running their country and we've got an idiot.
Some ***** at Barrett-Jackson was bitching about the government bail-out of General Motors calling it the Obama car company. When I pointed out to him that this saved about a million well paying jobs in the Auto Industry and preserved the infrastructure also needed by Ford and Chrysler he shrugged his shoulders. I also pointed out that the Government made 5X what the bailout cost when they sold their GM stock but he still didn't get it. Some people are so stupid that they should be shot on sight.
Some ***** at Barrett-Jackson was bitching about the government bail-out of General Motors calling it the Obama car company. When I pointed out to him that this saved about a million well paying jobs in the Auto Industry and preserved the infrastructure also needed by Ford and Chrysler he shrugged his shoulders. I also pointed out that the Government made 5X what the bailout cost when they sold their GM stock but he still didn't get it. Some people are so stupid that they should be shot on sight.
reader2580
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The vast majority of the time I buy Made in the USA when I can get it. However, sometimes the cost differential is just too great for a tool for a single job. One time the Chinese tool was $18 and the American version was over $70. I wasn't going to pay four times as much for one use. The best thing for a single use is a rental, but not everything is available for rent.
I'm trying to find a kitchen faucet right now that is made in the USA and is not over $2000 like many of the Made in the USA faucets are. Kohler seems to be the only big manufacturer that still makes kitchen faucets in the USA.
Weird Tolkienish Figure
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Made in the USA tools do tend to be higher quality, but they're also almost always higher in price, and it may not be worth it for a tool you might use a few times a month.
bob15
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They still outsource their parts. They don't make every single part they sell. They have other companies (including other companies in china) make some of their components and then they are assembled in their own plants. How well their QC & incoming inspection is, that is another topic......
You really, really think they make every single: switch, bearing, seal, wire, piece of plastic, have their own foundries, screw, bolt, name plate, cord, plug, connector, nut, chuck, lever, etc? Come back down to reality......
bob15
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Wrong again. If I buy that used American made tool, the money I saved over buying that china-made tool can be used to buy other NEW American made items: saw blades, drill bits, wrenches, hammers, screws, nails, socks, guns, reloading equipment, etc.
Wrong again. If I buy that used American made tool, the money I saved over buying that china-made tool can be used to buy other NEW American made items: saw blades, drill bits, wrenches, hammers, screws, nails, socks, guns, reloading equipment, etc.
Re: Milwaukee make in China?
Not hard to imagine, that Miller Electric became and stays a successful Company, creating and Keeping American jobs, by selling a new $2,000 welder, more so than a $28 part for one of their models, purchased used off craigslist.
If someone buys a Chinese made welder, they can support the U.S. economy, the exact same way.
Not hard to imagine, that Miller Electric became and stays a successful Company, creating and Keeping American jobs, by selling a new $2,000 welder, more so than a $28 part for one of their models, purchased used off craigslist.
If someone buys a Chinese made welder, they can support the U.S. economy, the exact same way.
kctyphoon
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Re: Milwaukee make in China?
That would be 2 different transactions Einstein.. by that logic you can goto allibaba and save LOTS of money, and then have 10 transactions.. let's stay away from inventing our own logic for the economy, so we can twist it into any reason we need.. you're a step or two away from the magic bullet theory with that one. your first purchase did nothing for the economy. Only for yourself..
Buying a new made in China item for less money would have contributed more than your used purchase, and still saved you money to buy other things..
We need a step-stool emoji to help people climb off their high horse.
Listen, buy whatever you want. It's your money.. but the day I come asking you for cash is the day you can tell me how I should spend mine. But let's not play the "I'm better than you" game cause you buy old USA tools - and the boast how your helping keep jobs here..
That would be 2 different transactions Einstein.. by that logic you can goto allibaba and save LOTS of money, and then have 10 transactions.. let's stay away from inventing our own logic for the economy, so we can twist it into any reason we need.. you're a step or two away from the magic bullet theory with that one. your first purchase did nothing for the economy. Only for yourself..
Buying a new made in China item for less money would have contributed more than your used purchase, and still saved you money to buy other things..
We need a step-stool emoji to help people climb off their high horse.
Listen, buy whatever you want. It's your money.. but the day I come asking you for cash is the day you can tell me how I should spend mine. But let's not play the "I'm better than you" game cause you buy old USA tools - and the boast how your helping keep jobs here..
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kctyphoon
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They still outsource their parts. They don't make every single part they sell. They have other companies (including other companies in china) make some of their components and then they are assembled in their own plants. How well their QC & incoming inspection is, that is another topic......
You really, really think they make every single: switch, bearing, seal, wire, piece of plastic, have their own foundries, screw, bolt, name plate, cord, plug, connector, nut, chuck, lever, etc? Come back down to reality......
OBVIOUSLY - I was referring to that fact they MANUFACTURE their own cordless tools. News flash - are you under the assumption USA made stuff does not do the EXACT same thing? Made in the USA does not mean they use NO global parts or material.. it means the amount of foreign parts are "negligible" which is a somewhat loose term.
(Insert step stool emoji here).
Lastly, that wouldn't be "outsourcing parts" - that would be "importing parts". Just saying guy.. let's try and make sense here.. milwaukee is not designing "wire and screws". And they are not trying to use their "made in China" label as a selling point to charge a premium either, that would result in outrage from customers that found out the bearings came from Germany or the USA, and was then labeled "made in China" hoping to deceive us all.. lol
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bob15
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Maybe you shouldn't say this: "NOW - they can make whatever they want, how they want it - cause they OWN the tool companies they make stuff FOR.. They are not about to ask or have ANOTHER manufacturer make their products, cause THATS WHAT THEY DO THEMSELVES" because that insinuates they make everything (just like you said, in red font). If you are going to write something, make sure you don't load it with BS.
And yes, Milwaukee or ITT did design the wire being used on their products; they spec'd it out and did testing for the best wire combo (size & length) to use in their windings. We do the same thing where I work. And ITT probably has proprietary screws that they designed, no different than my company.
And if their factory is in china, and the outsourced parts (non-ITT parts) are also coming from non-ITT plants in china; how is that importing? please explain
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