Mini gin pole build questions advice

[jarrodblake]

I am considering building a mini gin pole for my atv. I have a degenerative disk in my back and I can't really lift anything. So I have been trying to come up with a way to lift stuff around the property and out of my truck and into the garage and stuff off the floor and on to the work binch. I have been using a engine hoist for most things but I have a hard time getting it over the lip in the garage, and stuff onto the shelves or onto the work bench, because the front legs are in the way and it can reach.

I built a winch bumper for my atv with a receiver a few weeks ago. I was wondering if my idea would work or not and what size tubing I would need. I would like to lift 300LBs ideally.

My plan is to order some 2" .120 wall square tubing for the receiver mount and the gin pole mount. As for the tubing i'm not to sure what I should use. The gin pole will only be 6 foot tall plus the 2 foot high receiver mount location giving me about 7 feet of lifting height do to the lean of the gin pole and squat of the atv. I was wondering if I could get away with using 1 inch round tubing with a .120 wall or 1 1/4 round tubing with .120 wall? would that be sufficient or do I need a even larger diameter?

Should I be worried about a lateral load on the receiver if I am on uneven ground? The receiver should be fine with the "tongue weight" but the way the gin pole would be mounted there is not really a way to spread the load across side to side as it will be a receiver mount. I suppose the chains may help a little. The receiver mount will be two feet wide and the base of the gin pole would be around 20 inches wide.

 

[jarrodblake]

Here is a pic of my idea of the gin pole I did in ms paint.

Gin pole reciver mount by jarrod vanwinkle, on Flickr

Here is the bumper it will be going into.

IMAG2380 by jarrod vanwinkle, on Flickr

 

[bored350]

For lateral stability in your setup, I would get some acme threaded rod and weld it to a pipe with a flat foot on the bottom. The thread would be your height adjustment for uneven turf and you could weld a nut to the end of the 2' base or make a slip in box tube outrigger for each side that could allow a much wider stance.

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[Copymutt]

Possible issue of load exceeds your atv ability to stay on the ground. It probably weighs in about 300# and the leverage of gin pole angle and what your wanting to lift might require weights in the back. Explore its load capacity.

 

[cvairwerks]

Might be better to look at building a micro Athey wagon, similar to the ones used in oil well fire fighting. Use turf wheels instead of tracks.

 

[bugnut]

a log arch trailer might be a better design/idea as the weight is then not trying to lift the front of the atv.

Adapted with a winch and pole....

 

[Kaizen]

I think any of the stock you quote will be strong enough. But I wouldn’t go any higher then four feet. The pole itself has to be guyed or supported somehow. Relying on the hitch is not enough imo. Maybe at 4 feet it is but not six or 7. No great ideas on how to do it.
I would build a log hoop trailer as mentioned above. Make it so it’s high as you want. Probably will lift way more then 300. Big difference is the winch is lifting the hoop which is not able to turn.
For truck get a hf bedmount crane or tailgate lift.
In shop a hydraulic lift table for up to x feet. Higher maybe make a rolling lift. Picture an elevator on wheels.
More money this way but will keep you in the game for a lot longer


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[zkdiesel]

Your height and reach will be low wiTh the atv as counterbalance without severely weighting other side.... .
I’m all for not heavy lifting. Have skidsteer with forks, have a skidsteer boom attachment that can go 22’ tall, also have a rear garden tracto 4’ jib(machine weighs 1400lbs though) and a job crane in my shop

I’d cut the d rings off and weld on eyelets for you to use Clevises instead
This would then dual purposes as your gin pole mounting location.....

 

[fiftyv8]

Just some food for thought, after all it is your project and final decisions are for you to make.
My buddy has a small homemade wrecker style trailer, only small, that he hitches up behind anything in his yard that will pull it.

It basically consists of a solid axle and a garage floor crane.
It ain't fancy and he is no metal work guy, but I've seen it in action and it seems to do most of what he requires.

He is into antique trucks so he has some weighty items to deal with.
With a bit of imagination, I always felt that somebody with more experience could make something really handy from what he has started with.

A tow hitch gives you a little more mechanical advantage for handling weight, I also figure that your winch could still be used and with a pair of slide in slide out front legs like most floor cranes have it would make for an even more versatile rig...

You can take it from there.
Sorry no pic's.
Best of luck with your final choice.

 

[joe49]

Athey wagon or a trailer is the way to go. Gin pole would be strongest or a cannibalized engine hoist. 4 wheeler becomes your counter weight. Use a farm draw pin type hitch. Ball hitch could uncouple.

 

[fiftyv8]

Maybe somebody here with some engineering skills, drawing skills and imagination could post a sketch that may explain a trailer idea better...

 

[cvairwerks]

Fifty: Easiest way to describe an athey wagon is to watch the movie Hellfighters. The rigs they use for tearing away wreckage are huge athey wagons.

 

[fiftyv8]

I'm not familiar with these wagons, is there a internet link you could offer up.
More to the point for the thread initiator for his understanding, although I remain interested thanks.

 

[cvairwerks]

Will see what I can come up with when I get home from work in a couple of hours. Too hard to try on my phone.

 

[bad_idea]

I put a set of gin poles in the bed of my 95 F250 for lifting the walls of my shop during construction. I used a 600 lb hoist, so I know the load was under that as it would stall at higher loads. The truck is rated for 2500 lbs and I could watch the back of the truck squat considerably while lifting the walls. Tells me the load the truck sees is much more than the actual weight. I had the poles about 6' behind the truck and 17' up in the air, considerable amount of leverage on the mounting point.

I think the load the ATV will 'see' will be much higher than the 300 lbs you are lifting.

 

[2oolhound]

If it's going on the front why not just weld tongues onto the bumper and use pins through a yoke to attach the gin pole arms? (see bumper in photo but make em bigger)

You could put double yokes on the bumper and single on the gin pole arms. You'll need support rods above those mount points to keep the whole thing from swinging backward when a load starts to sway when you are moving and likely a basket to load ballast into hanging off the back of the ATV.

 

[cvairwerks]

Fifty: Here's a model of the Athey wagon with a boom on it:

https://www.roughneckcity.com/roughneck-city/gallery/139/oilfield-models-94

Athey's can be done with wheels or tracks.

 

[fiftyv8]

Wow, that is a long reach and boy that bulldozer makes a great counter weight...
Thanks for sharing.

 

[Strouty]

I honestly think you are dreaming to think you could pick 300 pounds. What does the 4 wheeler weigh?, 500 pounds? A trailer setup would definitely be the way to go, probably more money in materials but much safer overall. I had never heard of an Athey wagon before, but that is where I would look. Log arch would work, but not to lift in and out of a pickup truck bed.

 

[fiftyv8]

If not a trailer, then a stand alone doodle bug with the engine as a counter weight as was done many times in days of old.

However, I still think you could make a small purpose built trailer work that could be hitched to whatever you choose including your 4 wheeler.

With a solid axle there will be no suspension drop when lifting and wind down feet could be possible for heavier lifts and so it goes on...

It would sure be nice to hear back from jarrodblake the original poster of this Thread!!!

 

[thehighwayman]

For the trailer guys, I'm imagining taking an el-cheapo engine hoist, putting a tongue on the back, some large tires, temporary outriggers (when lifting only, for transport the load can obviously sit down on the frame) and rocking.

 

[bradpac]

Even if you just extend out from the front of your ATV like 3-5 feet and use drop legs, that would put your counter weight (ATV) out further from the pivot and help quite a bit.

 

[2oolhound]

Here you go:

Here is a link to the guy's build:

https://www.princessauto.com/en/project-showcase/2017/03/atv-loader

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[1953mercury]

That loader on the ATV is pretty cute, but much like putting 500tq/500hp engine in your daily driver, without upgrading the rest of the drive line and chassis it will very soon find the weakest link, and the next, and the next, etc.. Better in my mind to get the right tool for the job and save yourself a lot of work and anguish. Mike

 

[joe49]

The loader is likely to end with pain. Loaders in general have no suspension travel. Suspension equals tipping over.

 

[2oolhound]

You should read the link. He bypassed the suspension. Says it handles like a tractor. Says he's lifted 500 lbs with it while standing along side. It would be handy for lifting stuff on a bench (op quotes 300 lbs.). You could put forks on instead of the bucket.

An ATV should handle a man and a moose = 1000lbs. Lots of hunters have done so.

 

[Sportsman762]

I would not put ginpoles on the front of an atv. The atv will be very challenging to steer. If Jarrod has a bad back the twisting motion on the back will be incredibly painfull.

An ATV is not designed to handle 300lbs on a 2' center which would be almost equal to over 600lbs on the front rack. The front suspension and steering components of an atv will have a significantly shortened life span if subject to this load.

The problem with a wagon type crane is that is it difficult to maneuver. I would definatly go with one of them before the ginpoles though.

The loader mounted on an atv has a much larger ATV than Jarrod and has the battery and hydraulic power pack mounted on the back, to lift 500lbs he added additional counterweight. I cannot image it being easy to steer.