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Some people favor Starrett, me I favor Mitutoyo. I like & own Starrett tools also but I'm more of a Mitutoyo fan. @macgee made a recent post in The Tools of Japan thread that got me thinking. Rather than flood that thread with Mitutoyo how about a dedicated Mitu thread? I own quite a few Mitu tools & did a #mitutoyomonday thing on IG. So I'll post a new one on Mondays but please feel free to share what ya got whenever!

Here's a couple of mine to start.

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I too am a great fan of Mitutoyo. I have a sampling of pretty much all the major brands spanning a century + , but my preference on most items for work is Mitutoyo. Our shop uses them exclusively for the employee issued digital mics and calipers, they are accurate and incredibly reliable.

For indicators on super critical stuff, I usually go with Interapid .0001" and Compac .002mm. Everything else I try to populate with Mitutoyo.

That swivel feature is nice.
 

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All I have are their digital caliper and it stays in the house. The Starett and Brown and Sharpe calipers are in the toolbox in the garage.
 

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Nice thread idea Zero, and those are some really nice pieces you posted, the 360 dial indicator is sweet (I think).

Agree about not flooding the Tools of Japan thread with a bunch of Mitutoyo as it's not really what that thread is about.

This is just a quick post but will load a bunch more later. All of my Mitutoyo is much older than yours. I agree about how nice Swiss made Interapid and Compac are, I have their large dial test indicators but still seem to make the Mit's my every day users.


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When I started mid 80's Starett was king. Every shop I was in seemed that every work bench had a Starett catalog. But then a little thing call MSC happened and after that I started seeing more and more Mitutoyo. The shop I'm in now everything is Mitutoyo except all the 6 inch scales are Starett. My personal preference mics 0 - 12 Starett over 12 Mitutoyo , I worked in a shop where mics up to 40" used every day Mitutoyo way better then anything else I used. As for digital mics and calipers and any indicators its Mitutoyo. As for Brown and Sharpe sorry I never used or owned anything I liked just didn't seem to fit my hand. ?
 
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All of my Mitutoyo is much older than yours. I agree about how nice Swiss made Interapid and Compac are, I have their large dial test indicators but still seem to make the Mit's my every day users.
Nice & thanks! Yeah I don't own that many with the older logos, some I sold when I came across newer & better condition than what I had but I still do own a few.

I agree, Swiss indicators are pretty much the best, my tenths DTI is an Interapid but that one only comes out the case to play for fussy stuff which is not that often for a home shop hobby "macheenist" like me. Most of my indicators are Mitu & get used the most.

Here's a few that I have with the older logo. I forget if I have more, I'll have to look. I got more Mitu pics to come but slowly, hopefully to try & keep this thread alive. :)

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I bet no one has one of these old vintage logo's? I'll take better pics of it but you can sort of see it on my mini 6" dial height gauge. I love this little guy, still measures spot on but would love a magnifier mounted to it, surprisingly I use it pretty often, it's tiny. Also have a a 12" veneer version that has all kinds of attachments but never pull it out.

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Ooh yeah, that's an oldie, very cool! I've never came across anything older than the 3 virtues logo + cursive.

Here's a webpage I came across that I bookmarked about the history of the Mitutoyo logos. Not sure how accurate it is but it was the best I could find at the time.


The name ‘Mitutoyo’ came from the thought that 3 virtues are required to become a decent human, 3 things are required for a company to succeed, 3 virtues for buddhism, the holy trinity - basically that the number 3 (三) was lucky, and the ‘toyo’ (豊) is something like ‘virtue’. Hence, ‘三豊’ (Mitsutoyo).

Based on the company name, the ‘toyo’ was associated with Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Toyotomi has an association with gourds so the initial logo was designed as 3 gourds. This was used from the start in 1936.

For the next revision (#2, 1938) the circle was added to to stabilize the design and symbolize harmony.

Logo #3 was used from 1947, on the first micrometers shipped after World War 2. The source article doesn’t mention why the MITUTOYO lettering was added.

In 1955 stainless steel calipers were developed, and received logo #4.

In 1959 logo #5 was used for micrometers and dial indicators made in the Utsunomiya factory. In particular, this includes dial calipers being pushed in the US.

In 1962 logo #6 was decided on as the new logo for the entire company. All products were eventually changed over to this logo.

Logo #7 was registered in 1965 and again applied to all products.

In 1987 株式会社三豊製作所 (the manufacturing company) and 三豊商事株式会社 (sales company) were merged into 株式会社ミツトヨ (Mitutoyo Corporation).

In preparation for that and in celebration of the company’s 50th anniversary, the company launched a corporate identity project. The company’s official name was changed to katakana, and logo #8 became the official logo. The gourd mark remained as the company’s flag, official seal and mark. This remains as the current logo.



In Hepburn romanization the name would have been Mitsutoyo. I suspect it ended up as Mitutoyo because the spelling was decided in 1947, before they had an international presence.

The gourd logo doesn’t seem to appear on their website, but it’s visible on their building in Kawasaki.

If you’re using this to estimate the production date on old Mitsutoyo gear, it sounds like the logo changes, particularly around #6, were rolled out gradually.
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I'm a big fan of Mitutoyo. I have an affinity for good quality machinist tools, so my collection is a hodgepodge of Mitutoyo, Starrett, Brown and Sharpe, Lufkin, Interapid, and many other makers of high quality measuring, inspection and setup tools. My "go-to" tools are Starrett and Mitutoyo, especially for common, heavy use tools that will see daily use.

I wandered around the shop and grabbed my "everyday" Mitutoyo stuff. I have more, but I'd have to look a bit harder to find it. This is the stuff I use all the time to make parts.

The calipers and micrometers see daily use, as do the telescoping gages. I do a LOT of lathe work, and being able to quickly measure a bore within a thou or two is critical. My "low precision" (.001") indicators live on those Noga bases, and I use them all the time to dial in pockets on the lathe turret or set parts in the 4 jaw, as well as most common lathe indicating tasks. The test indicator I bought new, and the standard dial was my dad's. On the mill I use a vertical oriented Interapid for picking up bores and tramming vises, as I strongly prefer the vertical style for mill work. My tenths indicator is an Interapid as well. But I like the Mits for "rough" work. They're accurate, durable, well made and inexpensive compared to the Swiss test clocks.

I used to use the height gages a lot more before I sprung for a Haimer 3D taster. They work well for manually setting the Z work offset on the CNC mill. They still see regular use for manual layout and measuring things, but the Haimer rules the roost for setting Z offsets now.

I don't know how many Mitutoyo dial calipers I actually own. At least half a dozen. They're all over the shop so I don't have to be constantly looking for one or carrying one around everywhere. I use the 12" one the most right now, it fits my parts better but the 6" ones are very handy to have peppered around the shop for quick measurements.

My main micrometer set is Mitutoyo with carbide faces and the .0001" Vernier on the barrels. 0-6". I haven't gotten into work much bigger than that requiring a micrometer, the 24" calipers are usually sufficient but I do have plans to get a set up to 12" when the right project comes along to justify the expense. IMG_8895.jpg
This half thou indicator was my granddad's. I inherited it with his toolchest, and I really treasure these tools that were his. I've actually done some work at the tool and die shop that both he and my dad worked in during the 70's and 80's, it is really cool to tell the guys working there that some of these tools are third generation working in their shop.
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These are my most recent Mitutoyo tools, precision bore gages. I bought these about a month ago, so they're still basically brand new. They also happen to be my most expensive Mitutoyo tools haha. Once I bought a CNC lathe, I found myself needing to measure bores on the machine quickly and accurately. These are just the ticket.

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This last one of note is one that I received as a birthday gift from my dad. It is a micrometer for measuring 3 lobed objects. Most usefully, I use it to mic in reground 3 flute endmills so the CNC mill cuts on size. It is very difficult to measure a 3 sided object with a traditional caliper or micrometer, so when you need to accurately size a cutter, this thing is the bomb.

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Cool stuff guys, keep it coming.
 

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As for Brown and Sharpe sorry I never used or owned anything I liked just didn't seem to fit my hand. ?

TC,

Pretty timely you said this. Like most reading this thread, I think the feel, balance, action and size really plays into personal preference. For some reason, I don't like using Starrett micrometers, even when brand new but nothing wrong with them except maybe the ratchet is too strong.
I have a bunch of different 0-1" micrometers (Etalon, Tesa, B&S, Starrett, Mitutoyo, Moore & Wright...). Recently I decided to sell a bunch of items that have been sitting in drawers, taking too much space. I had four Mit. micrometers needing to be cleaned up, checked and calibrated, there pretty nice and regretful selling the most pristine one as it was NOS.

Yesterday I pulled out my everyday beater user a Brown & Sharpe carbide tip micrometer to clean & check and immediately realized why I use it the most and trust it the most; it was spot on to the tenth and feels great. My other daily user is a Etalon MicroRapid but need to learn how to calibrate it (It's very different and cant find any info on how to).
I choose not use too much B&S items that cross my path but I do like their 750B V-blocks, their Swiss made Bestime indicators but they're small and B&S/Tesa digital caliper.


I'm a big fan of Mitutoyo. I have an affinity for good quality machinist tools, so my collection is a hodgepodge of Mitutoyo,



Haimer 3D taster. 👍

This last one of note is one that I received as a birthday gift from my dad. It is a micrometer for measuring 3 lobed objects. Most usefully, I use it to mic in reground 3 flute endmills so the CNC mill cuts on size. It is very difficult to measure a 3 sided object with a traditional caliper or micrometer, so when you need to accurately size a cutter, this thing is the bomb.

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Cool stuff guys, keep it coming.

Dr_Clyde,

Very cool you acquired tools from your grand father and dad. I could see the 3 lobed micrometer being very useful to me and great idea for checking endmills. I newd to keep my eyes out for one.

I'm just a small shop working on much smaller pieces than you, so ended up selling a ton of my large tooling like yours.


Here's some old pics I took of some Mit. items I sold. Sort of scratching my head now why I sold some of them.
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man I’m jealous of some of you guys collections. unfortunately I don’t have any of their old stuff, I’m not the type that runs into the good deals. My collection isn’t huge and I don’t Have any pictures but I have the ip67 digimatic 0-6 caliper, ip67digimatic 0-12” caliper, ip67 0-6” super caliper, , 0-1” mic, 2-3” ip67 digital mic, and friday I ordered the 26(?) anvil .7-6” bore gauge.

darkzero, thanks for posting the logos, got a feeling one of the those will make it’s way to my machine tool themed half sleeve, well just a quarter sleeve at the moment
 

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Nice Dark,

Have to say your tooling is always immaculately clean and impressive.

I've always wanted a full set of Mit gage blocks, especially some of there ring gages.

I own a large full Starrett Webber 88 A1 piece set, a 81 Brown & Sharpe set but the Mit. gage blocks seem to be excellent, I have a small set of them.
When I bought a bunch of tooling from the head machinist for a aerospace (stealth fighter) company he sold me a full set of "JIT" blocks (Taiwan) that seem to be the best ones out of the bunch. He had them checked twice and had them certified by two different companies as he couldn't believe it as they came out the best although he said he's keeping a Mitutoyo set for himself.
 
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Thanks Macgee.

Yeah I'm a bit **** when it comes to finding second hand tools. And I like to take care of my stuff. I'm all for finding good deals but sometimes I'll pay a little bit more for nicer condition. I won't even buy stuff that has personal engravings anymore unless I really want it or it's too cheap to pass up.

That Mitu gauge block set I came across for a fair price by coincidence. To be honest I've only used it a few times myself. I don't have a need to use gauge blocks that often. I have a China set that I use more. They don't wring as well so I use it as a beater set.

I did try to find Starrett Webber blocks first but I could never find them at good prices & in good condition.
 

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Nice metaldad,

Yours is the wider base version which I much prefer and the dial lock on the side is awesome to have (and best), plus you have the nice wood case which I think is way better than the plastic cases. Those longer rods (12") is for big boy projects.

One thing and warning that I'll cover in another post is the black foam they used inside the older cases badly damaging tools inside. The foam breaks down, falls apart onto metal tool badly eating the steel on the tool. I have numerous pieces that have been ruined because of it, even never used tools that have been sitting in the cases the whole time. I'm guessing its the acid in the foam eating the metal?
 
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thank you guys.
i havent used it since bought.
if you feel like making a deal, pm me a fair offer
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After 45 years as a tool maker, I've found that different brands make the 'best' of various tools. So, although I love Mitutoyo calipers, for example, I prefer Browne & Sharp BesTest indicators. As a result, I have a mix of high-end measuring tools- Mitutoyo, B&S, Starrett, Etalon, etc. Much like my power tools- Bosch jigsaw, Milwaukee drills, Makita sander, etc. I'm not married to any one brand.
 

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The logos for 1962 and 1965 have me confused.

In 1976 I bought new a Dial Indicator 2412-08, the box shows the 1965 logo, the DI face shows the 1962 logo.

Same time buying the Magnetic Stand 7010S, the box shows 1962 logo, the Stand shows the 1965 logo.

Both items are bedded in white polystyrene and have rarely seen the light of day.

What era was the black foam used? I have some mikes sitting in that stuff I'll review.

Most images posted in this thread I can only see a small question mark in a blue square, are you guys posting multi megabyte images?
 

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I don't have too much of Mitutoyo...but the bright side is I'm under $300 out of pocket for all of this and it's all new :) granted two of the items were gifts (the ruler and the digitmatic) but I've come across some really really good deals on the other items.
 

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Was using these today so thought I would post a pic. I have these sets that I really like, I also have the same sets in Starrett. I keep a set of loose ones (Starrett's) that are easy access on the workbench but have to say I much prefer the Mitutoyo's, I find them more accurate to read off a mic. As others have stated, I too am not committed to just one brand, whatever tool that works well for me, I'll use. I have a couple of Moore & Wright pieces that I really like over others I've tried.

For the small set, I keep an extra Mit. .50" - .75" in it that set as I seem to need it fairly often and is the set I use the most.
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Nice Macgee! That's funny, I have the same exact sets & used mine yesterday. :) Not the small hole gages though, haven't used those in a while, been using pin gages instead.

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Speaking of snap gages, I thought this recent ebay listing was pretty funny. "Flex head hammers" :ROFLMAO:
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This wasn't today but might as well post the other Mitu set that I have in a flat pouch while I'm at it. Radius gages. Yeah certainly not needed for this particular project but hey why not, if ya got em, might as well use em! ;)

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They're new tables for my horizontal bandsaw. The flimsy stock stamped sheet metal one was a joke. Also made a little table that stays on the bandsaw all the time to replace the stock guard.
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"Speaking of snap gages, I thought this recent ebay listing was pretty funny. "Flex head hammers" :ROFLMAO:"

Well, there you go. You now have a new way to use your Mit's. I'm sure yours would make lovely little pin flex hammers. But I think those cheap china ones in the blue case might be a better candidate for that.
 

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Nice Dark, I have the exact same micrometer, but sadly I recently pulled it out after sitting in a drawer for the last four years and found that a lot of the anvils were completely deteriorated and eaten beyond repair by the black foam in the case that crumbled, falling onto the mic and anvils eating the metal leaving large eaten pitted voids in the metal, it's not rust.

I’ve been meaning to make a general post about warning other MIT. tool owners (or potential buyers) to look out for this issue that seems to be fairly common in the older orange cases. It's the black open cell foam that is on the roof of the cover or the lining layer on the bottom of the case. When I have time I'll pull it out and take some pics of my interchangeable anvil; its rather sad and I'm in denial thinking it will be just fine with a little little cleaning.

Here's a pic I already had of my inside mic., luckily it doent effect performance and most of it is on the backside. I changed out the case so it's not the one in the background. I've actually come across quite of few Mit's with this issue, again sadly I myself have quite a few like this.

PS> Thats a nice Royal spindle live center you have.
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I've heard of this & have seen it but luckily it has never happened to me. I only own 3 Mitu cases that have that foam. I assume it has something to do with what's in the foam but I also thought it could be moisture or heat that accelerates the decay.

Since I heard of this I put pieces of VCI paper in those cases. I always save them when I come across them. The depth mic rods came from the factory wrapped in VCI paper as did my digital calipers & micrometers.

I also keep dessicant in some of my drawers but not sure if they actually help any. I doubt it but it can't hurt.

Oh BTW, that's not a Royal, I wish it was. I'm too cheap to buy a Royal or Riten, haha. It's a knock off, "premium" line by ZliveCenter. It's actually not too shabby for being asian import. My other go to live centers are Skodas.

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Oh man Macgee, you got me scared & worried now, haha. Although we in SoCal & don't have to worry about fighting rust but that damn old Mitu foam!

I ordered some VCI paper. All the saved pieces I have are small. I just ordered some larger sheets. I could use some larger sheets to put in some other cases. This seemed to be a pretty good deal & is what I ordered. Even better deals on ebay for smaller sizes. https://www.ebay.com/itm/222956764520

(BTW, these sheets are usually coated on one side, the piece I have above lining the bottom of the case is upside down, I just flipped it over when taking the pic. I believe they make double side coated as well. I have some pieces that seem to be double sided but I don't think they are actually VCI paper, they seemed to be like some sort of oil soaked paper but very lightly soaked.)
 

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VCI paper is awesome stuff (thanks for the link) and can confirm that it does work. I've also had really good results placing desiccant bags in my drawers with full of of milled steel tooling like v-blocks, parallels.........etc, its been years with no rust or signs of oxidation.

In regards to the foam in orange Mit. boxes, I remove the top and bottom lining foam, the shaped cut outs do not seem effected. Unfortunately I had a couple of cases that used the bad foam for everything like this depth micrometer case. This pic was taken '17 and this is the way I found the foam inside and the pieces inside were destroyed. I tried to save these rods, cleaning them up and removed all the foam stuck to them, they had almost rock hard clumps of the foam stuck to it that had to be carefully shaved or scraped off.
All the pitting had a black coating inside them. As you can see after fully cleaning them the rods in the middle (well all of them) were toast. Click on the pics to expand them and hopefully you can see the extent of damage.

I can tell you this depth mic and rods were new and never used except opened to prep and wrappings for the rods were removed when bought to check and make the set ready to use when needed. Big mistake

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Here's what I was talking about. It *****. All the anvils are ruined.

I'm thinking it was the acid in the foam and one of the reasons why the foam failed in the first place and then falling onto the tooling, eating it or maybe causing galvanic corrosion?

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Oh man Macgee, that ***** donkey balls! I'd literally cry & be mad at the same time if that happened to me. These sets aren't cheap either, even used, & the anvils are crazy expensive. Really breaks my heart to see that!

Not much you can do about the satin chrome but maybe evaporust might clean up the anvils? As long as you don't leave them in long enough to the point when they start turning black (I think it's the carbon that gets pulled to the surface or something like that?).

I wonder what Mitutoyo would say if you contacted them about it? I assume they wouldn't warranty it though even though I think they should. I'm sure they are very aware of this issue.
 

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Thanks DZ,


I found the perfect fix for this problem: Denial!

I'll occasional open the case because I forget what's in it, I see it and then put it back in the drawer pretending I saw nothing wrong :)

I just wanted to warn others looking for used Mitutoyo or already have some stashed away in a drawer. It's the thin top and bottom sheet of foam, not the shaped cut out foam. Just remove the good cut out shaped foam and scrape off the top and bottom, replace with something else, thoroughly washout the cut out foam to make sure there's no residue of the bad foam on the cutout and put it back in. It's a pretty easy and quick job.

Not sure if any of the anvils can be saved, the corrosion by whatever its caused by eats really deep holes more than compared to rust.

You're right, the anvils are super expensive like $40-$50+ each. I use evaporust in a heated ultrasonic cleaner almost everyday for my restoration jobs, when I get around to having some time, I'll attempt a rescue of them. I pretty much written them all off, I'll clean it up and save as much as I can and let a new owner take the challenge at a smoking price. :(

I actually comes across this often at flea markets when people are trying to sell off their older meteorology items. Etalon is another that has this problem. Maybe it's just the LA air
 
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Oops I missed a few Mondays. :D

8" level .00024"/12" sensitivity. This one my buddy in HI found for me on CL but it was down in Irvine. Luckily my youngest brother lived there at the time & for $100 it was too cheap to pass up. This model costs $550 new!
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The level was in excellent condition but the original wood box was thrashed, barely held together with masking tape. I emailed Mitutoyo & they said they don't sell replacement boxes. So I put out a request on another forum for someone to make me one. And Bill did just that for me.

I sent him a dummy of the level that I made out of alum for test fitting. He made me a beautiful box out of Walnut, couldn't have asked for better craftsmanship & the level fit perfectly in it. I'm still very thankful everytime I look at the box & it's so much nicer than the original Mitu box.
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My other levels, 12" Chinese one which is what I started off with. And a 12" Polish VIS that I eventually found to replace the China one.
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