Model A Ford garage

[bolensboneyard]

Good golly Miss Molly! That is some drill press!!

Chain drive

I can see it's a bit too big for your shop. I fear it will leave you feeling crowded. I'll bring my truck and do you a favor...

More pictures. One is the tag on the motor showing gear reduction info. etc. Third sideways pict. shows inch marks and the piece with the knob slides to use as a depth stop. We have come a long way toward eliminating quality in the name of more profit for industry. Ginny looked at this press and when I asked what she thought; her answer, so simple yet it does so much! Enough said?

 

[bolensboneyard]

Bobby that is one cool DP..

In my sheltered life time I have never seen a chain drive like that before.

Your clean up has made a huge difference, thank you for sharing...

Regards

Steve you will appreciate that standing in the smithy the forging hammer and the drill press are both visible. I hated having to put it on the other side of the wall but couldn't bear to not have it inside. Hope this solicits more memories of your grandfather's shop.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Nice! That thing is stout enough to drive a boring bar. With a bottom quill guide you can bore engine blocks.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Nice! That thing is stout enough to drive a boring bar. With a bottom quill guide you can bore engine blocks.

Andy I like the way you think. I have the KR Wilson combination machine but oh the possibilities of what else could be done!

 

[oldironfarmer]

That slow speed is really your friend when it comes to oddball setups.

 

[drivesitfar]

BB: i saw the leather (or maybe it's vinyl) belt and didn't see the lower CHAIN hooked up to the other set of pulleys. OMG that is a sweet old DP and i hope you can get it working like it did back in the early 1900's.

i bet it's not easy to move around cause my bench top version almost killed me last week when i moved it from my garage to my shed. i made a little temp or maybe permanent ship hatch work bench for it and a few of my other vintage tools.

if you have time to post up pictures of your old vintage DP over on the show your old vintage DP thread the guys were helping me find options to repair or replace my leather belt if i need to and not sure what condition yours is in, but they had some good ideas. here's the link:

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116677&highlight=show+drill+press

keep up the good work and hope the weather isn't too hot.

cheers

 

[bolensboneyard]

Drives it is now working like it did back in the day. Pictures on DP site will post here tomorrow.

 

[larry_g]

Finally got my drill press. 1000 lbs. and I unloaded it with my 18 hp garden tractor fork lift. The fun part was getting it off the pallet. The back gear is missing but it has a vintage GE motor with a 25.5 reduction gear built in. It has so much torque that you have to pull on the flat belt and step on the pedal switch at the same time in order to get it going in middle gear. That gives you a drill speed of 68 RPM. I oiled it up for a run and away she went. Still have to clean her up and clean out some of the oil holes. I can feed it slow or fast manual but half of the power feed is missing. I wouldn't have any use for it anyway. Twenty inch drill depth and the table raises and swings smoother than any of the other four drill presses in the shop. Have to keep my foot on the pedal switch to run which is a nice feature with a drill this powerful. I will post more pictures toward the end of the week. I have it in the corner opposite the corner and wall the forging hammer is in right next to the smithy.

It's to bad that your back gear and power feed is missing. You would appreciate the power feed when you have to drill a few 1" holes in some 2" thick steel. I really like that I can just watch and squirt a bit of oil at it when it is doing all the work or walk away and the depths top will stop the process. Pictures of mine are at https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/...p?albumid=5185

with story, https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/...t=76641&page=4

lg
no neat sig line

 

[bolensboneyard]

It's to bad that your back gear and power feed is missing. You would appreciate the power feed when you have to drill a few 1" holes in some 2" thick steel. I really like that I can just watch and squirt a bit of oil at it when it is doing all the work or walk away and the depths top will stop the process. Pictures of mine are at https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/...p?albumid=5185

with story, https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/...t=76641&page=4

lg
no neat sig line

Larry I would be interested in the power feed if you know of one that can be bought separate. I will check out your DP and thanks for the insight. Bobby

 

[bolensboneyard]

More pictures of the DP cleaned up. check out the brass. Going to see if I can resurrect the power feed and manufacture missing pcs. The worm gear will be the big problem.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Gorgeous brass. You now owe us to keep it polished like the brass in the bridge of the fleet flagship.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Gorgeous brass. You now owe us to keep it polished like the brass in the bridge of the fleet flagship.

I have had plenty of practice doing that! Got another deal in the works. Let you know if it goes through.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Collector car appreciation day tomorrow so no projects. I am going to attempt, at some point, to dope out and make a worm gear for my power feed. If that is successful I know I can build the rest.

 

[oldironfarmer]

It should be interesting. I've seen some good videos on making worm gear sets. Are you missing the worm or the worm gear? In any event, you can make them out of brass which will make it a bit easier. Or maybe you've done it before. I ahven't but want to try at some point.

 

[larry_g]

Wandered the internet and came up with a picture of what I think you have. Champion 20"? Good luck on fabricating or acquiring the power down feed.


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lg
no neat sig line

 

[bolensboneyard]

That is it. Thanks Larry for your help; in fact I had saved that very picture but it's good to know support is always available on GJ. I will keep everyone updated but it will be a while before I get to it; probably the fall.

 

[bolensboneyard]

It should be interesting. I've seen some good videos on making worm gear sets. Are you missing the worm or the worm gear? In any event, you can make them out of brass which will make it a bit easier. Or maybe you've done it before. I ahven't but want to try at some point.

Andy I have never tried to do it but I do have some brass. I am missing the worm thankfully.

 

[larry_g]

That is it. Thanks Larry for your help; in fact I had saved that very picture but it's good to know support is always available on GJ. I will keep everyone updated but it will be a while before I get to it; probably the fall.

One thing you might try is to put a picture of the drive off of the good picture in the wanted section seeking that bracket. If people know what it looks like someone may have it or stumble across one. What would you willing to pay?

Another thought is maybe adapt a 90* worm drive box to the machine if your going for function and not restoration.

lg
no neat sig line

 

[bolensboneyard]

Both good thoughts. My bracket is broken and any out there would probably be both vertical and horizontal shafts and gears. I have a right angle gearbox but it is quite large but a little thought could do wonders. It doesn't have to be original but pictures are on the schedule for next week. Thanks again Larry

 

[bolensboneyard]

Got my pictures in a wanted ad for more detail.

 

[bolensboneyard]

The 66 at the collector car display Magnolia Plantation here in Charleston. Picnic lunch and friends what a nice time.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Three days of trial and learning have left me without a power feed for my Drill Press. The worm gear fit nicely but not perfect. When I got far enough to try driving the disassembled unit it was not satisfactory. I got the shaft, gear, and housing mostly built and the blocks for the pulleys glued but if it isn't up to quality it's scrap to be used somewhere down the line. No fame but no shame.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Three days of trial and learning have left me without a power feed for my Drill Press. The worm gear fit nicely but not perfect. When I got far enough to try driving the disassembled unit it was not satisfactory. I got the shaft, gear, and housing mostly built and the blocks for the pulleys glued but if it isn't up to quality it's scrap to be used somewhere down the line. No fame but no shame.

PPP

Patience, persistence, and perseverance!

 

[bolensboneyard]

These are my sentiments entirely but some things have to stop when the time taken away from things you need/want more is suffering because your pride will not allow you to get out of your own way. I try not to let anything beat me unless it's me. Chasing your shadow will only keep the light behind you! (another boneyard beauty from the bonehead)

 

[larry_g]

Can you show a picture of what you came up with for the drive? I'm thinking that if it drives backwards you might salvage the worm by extending the vertical drive shaft and moving the lower bevel gear to the opposite side and that would reverse the rotation of the handle feed.

On edit; If the quill is driving backwards, Have you confirmed that the spindle is rotating in the proper direction? Have you drilled a hole with it?

lg
no neat sig line

 

[bolensboneyard]

Can you show a picture of what you came up with for the drive? I'm thinking that if it drives backwards you might salvage the worm by extending the vertical drive shaft and moving the lower bevel gear to the opposite side and that would reverse the rotation of the handle feed.

On edit; If the quill is driving backwards, Have you confirmed that the spindle is rotating in the proper direction? Have you drilled a hole with it?

lg
no neat sig line

Larry at this point the worm is the problem. I used my lowest thread per inch setting on the south bend and the pitch is not right. I then came up with some creative ways to cut into the thread at the proper angle but the gear would only mesh by offsetting the worm which gave me little contact. I knew that would wear out fast so I centered it which allowed the gear to ride up over the worm. That worm is toast so I decided to opt for trying to find at least the right worm. The quill does operate in the right direction and everything that is there works fine.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Larry at this point the worm is the problem. I used my lowest thread per inch setting on the south bend and the pitch is not right. I then came up with some creative ways to cut into the thread at the proper angle but the gear would only mesh by offsetting the worm which gave me little contact. I knew that would wear out fast so I centered it which allowed the gear to ride up over the worm. That worm is toast so I decided to opt for trying to find at least the right worm. The quill does operate in the right direction and everything that is there works fine.

Can you cut a gear to match your worm? Good mill practice.

We'd still like to see pictures.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Can you cut a gear to match your worm? Good mill practice.

We'd still like to see pictures.

That is what I did to start with but it was a close match (close as the thread gears would allow) but not good enough. I then cut part of the inside of the worm in order to allow access for the worm gear. I got some depth but not enough. I got another idea that should work but need to table it for not. Nothing to see really as I have taken down what assembly I tacked together.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Went to pick up a tractor I bought from a friend of mine and he invited me to look in the old shop of his father in law who had passed away as the family had already taken what they wanted to keep. The man was a good friend and one of my mentors. I miss him dearly. What was left was spoken for, something I did not need, or scrap. Then I spotted an old tool chest and looked inside expecting to see a few nuts and bolts. It was an outside machinists chest and the top was what you see in the pics. I have not looked too closely yet but he gave it to me knowing it would be put to good use.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Well this is what was in the machinists tool box. Most of the drills have had the shanks turned to 1/2 inch and appear to fit tight in my chuck. The largest one is 1 5/8 dia. Reamers look in nice shape with 1 3/16 being I believe the largest. Plenty of other goodies too. I will have to look for a 5/8 chuck for a few of them. Looks like my quill is MT4 with adaptors down to MT2 a MT1 adaptor came with one of the smaller drills. The chest is what tops it all of though. Looks really cool next to the old DP.

 

[oldironfarmer]

The luck of the Bobby is holding up very well!

 

[bolensboneyard]

As an update to the worm drive gear situation. I have spent a lot of time studying the manufacture of these and the cost is prohibitive. The best home solution is to make the worm gear and the worm drive as a set using a jig made up for the lathe and a tap centered in the lathe which is good only for small drive set-ups like that used in a telescope. Even called Motion Industries and they would have to send my worm gear out to the gear people and get a quote on the pair which ballpark starts at a price that is too high. I have want ad on JG and someone looking for me. Hopefully it will happen but it's nice to know people care to help. Thanks Bobby

 

[bolensboneyard]

Measured my quill speed today using an actual RPM counter/timer that I forgot I had. Using the chuck as a drive on the middle pulley which changes things the least up or down I am reading 78 RPM. Larry I also solved the riddle of why I was appearing to go in the wrong direction on the power feed. Once I got my education on nomenclature for worms and worm gears and how to determine left hand right hand etc., and it's not as simple as you would think, I find my thread, at the least, was wrong hand. Many other things come into play by way of contact points between worm and gear.

 

[bolensboneyard]

The machinists chest organized with drills and reamers painted up.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Bobby, what a perfect a compliment to the DP..

 

[bolensboneyard]

Bobby, what a perfect a compliment to the DP..

It sure did work out that way! Sometimes it pays to be inquisitive; sometimes?

 

[dlcwent]

These are my sentiments entirely but some things have to stop when the time taken away from things you need/want more is suffering because your pride will not allow you to get out of your own way. I try not to let anything beat me unless it's me. Chasing your shadow will only keep the light behind you! (another boneyard beauty from the bonehead)

^^I absolutely love that.

The DP looks awesome Bobby.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Thanks Dan. Hope you are cooler than we are in the hot place.

 

[bolensboneyard]

This is the tractor I went to get when I found the machinists chest last week. It is also my namesake. Large frame Bolens tractor same as my forklift. I finally got to work on it yesterday and also use my little gas tank. Both work great. After tearing down the carb. and attaching the temporary tank, plus a few adjustments, she purrs like a kitten. Plan to wring out the whole fuel system tomorrow than the rest of the tractor. I bought it mainly for the Koehler twenty horse because if I don't make the deal on the old sawmill soon I plan to design and build my own; a band saw mill.

 

[dlcwent]

Nice little tractor Bobby. And it was great talking to you. As a reminder, let's see some pictures of the folk lift. I wouldn't have believed it to even be possible.