Model A Ford garage

[bolensboneyard]

Tick bite looks nasty.

I seem to get about ten or twelve per year, guess I've been really lucky so far. You elderly guys need to take it easy

Bolts are strongest in shear, screws also. Nails too, straight pullout on nails and screws is their weak failure mode. Bolts are almost as strong in tension. If you look carefully, most steel building joints are designed with the bolts in shear. The anchor bolts don't count, they're just there for fun

Andy thanks for the professional input. I was going to use angle brackets under the headers but I believe I will go with what I got plus the 4x4 angle beams based on this information. Now I have to decide if truss roof is better than the old style I plan to use.

 

[drivesitfar]

BB: good to hear you are on the mend and sorry the medicine you have to take tastes so bad.

if you can't cut the notches like you wanted to i like Andy's idea of bolting them through instead of lag bolts or brackets if that is in your plan. i know the bolts are not cheap and wish you were closer cause i probably have a few bins of foot long 3/4 and one inch bolts waiting for a project.

any pictures of that contraption you made to drop the posts in the holes that you can post and I bet those SOB's are heavy. it's a good thing you have that tractor fork lift to move them to the new garage site isn't it?

cheers and good luck

 

[bolensboneyard]

BB: good to hear you are on the mend and sorry the medicine you have to take tastes so bad.

if you can't cut the notches like you wanted to i like Andy's idea of bolting them through instead of lag bolts or brackets if that is in your plan. i know the bolts are not cheap and wish you were closer cause i probably have a few bins of foot long 3/4 and one inch bolts waiting for a project.

any pictures of that contraption you made to drop the posts in the holes that you can post and I bet those SOB's are heavy. it's a good thing you have that tractor fork lift to move them to the new garage site isn't it?

cheers and good luck

Drives the 2x4 handles just turn the post as when you drop them with the tractor they will sometimes spin out of alignment and have to be turned. The medicine is a stomach irritant no taste. No way for me to drill through post is 9 inches.

 

[drivesitfar]

BB: damn i wish i lived closer cause i'd drill them for you too. i have a hammer drill and wood and cement bits up to about 1.5 inches. can you maybe rent a drill and a bit if your friend that sells you the wood or a friend doesn't have one to loan you?

i know brackets will probably be ok since you are just holding up the roof, but if you or maybe the guy buying your home in 50 years might not have a clue and the garage could come down on his head if he's lifting his space ship up for a tune up.

cheers and glad to hear you are feeling better.

 

[drivesitfar]

BB: just know that i overbuild things usually such as i built my deck 25 years ago with 2x12's 16 inch on center and now my BIL (brother in law) wants to trim the sides off the 2x12's a couple inches and get some good clean 2x8's for a new deck and i'm not sure i agree even though it probably would be fine.

anyway i'm also worried about all the weather changes like wind that could possibly blow your new building over if some big gusts come through your area.

do as you will and i'll keep watching and learning cause i've yet to build anything with a roof on it by myself.

cheers

 

[bolensboneyard]

Drives I do really appreciate your concerns so keep being that person who cares. As far as the deck, if it is a party deck especially on the second floor as opposed to on the ground who knows how much enough is? If the fall is 18 inches from the top of the deck well maybe that is less of a problem

 

[bolensboneyard]

We have a new addition to the blacksmith shop. Check out this blade makers hammer head 2lbs 10 ozs. At least that is what my research has found it to be. Who knows? I can see the inherent usefulness in it and have never seen another. Plan to make a hickory handle for it.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Very interesting hammer head!

Not sure about your comment on trusses. If you just put up rafters it is still advisable to put a bottom chord on them to keep the posts from spreading.

 

[drivesitfar]

BB: interesting hammer and you might want to post it on HAMMER TIME thread in general tools cause i haven't seen one like that.

time for another PERSIMMON handle for that one or do you have a stick of something else to use?

have a great weekend and keep THINKING SAFETY while building your new shop and sounds like you don't need permits so try to show us more of your building style so we can learn or help. remember ANDY is an engineer and did you see his TRUCK LATHE or new carnival ride he made?

good luck

 

[bolensboneyard]

Very interesting hammer head!

Not sure about your comment on trusses. If you just put up rafters it is still advisable to put a bottom chord on them to keep the posts from spreading.

Plan is to put joists to tie the 2x12 post headers together for the length of the building. It is already tied on the ends. I plan to run 2x12's every four feet allowing 4 inches to protrude above the header where I will tie each rafter both with 16 penny nails and Simpson strong ties to them. Every other joist will be a 2x8 half above and half below (top four inches to catch the rafter and the bottom four inches to tie into the post headers also again using Simpson strong ties. Center stick will be 2x6 as will the rafters. Rafters will also be bird mouth notched and strong tied to the top of the post headers. Rafters will therefore be every two feet each one tied with alternately a 2x8 or 2x12. Furring strips 1x3 will run the length of the building. Steel roofing screwed to the furring strips will tie it together with the gable ends which will be sheathed with 1x12's vertically.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Plan is to put joists to tie the 2x12 post headers together for the length of the building. It is already tied on the ends. I plan to run 2x12's every four feet allowing 4 inches to protrude above the header where I will tie each rafter both with 16 penny nails and Simpson strong ties to them. Every other joist will be a 2x8 half above and half below (top four inches to catch the rafter and the bottom four inches to tie into the post headers also again using Simpson strong ties. Center stick will be 2x6 as will the rafters. Rafters will also be bird mouth notched and strong tied to the top of the post headers. Rafters will therefore be every two feet each one tied with alternately a 2x8 or 2x12. Furring strips 1x3 will run the length of the building. Steel roofing screwed to the furring strips will tie it together with the gable ends which will be sheathed with 1x12's vertically.

Wow! Sounds like you're designing for a hurricane location.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Wow! Sounds like you're designing for a hurricane location.

Just want to make you proud Andy and keep Drives from worrying too much about me; not to mention, like I have said many times, my cup is empty. Thanks all for the input and concern.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Updated pictures of progress on the pole shed/barn. Have to cut off end of upper header and one more post. Got my plan laid out for the rafter/joist assy. and will probably put up one gable today as the GT didn't get washed for the car show so we will be staying on the plantation.

 

[drivesitfar]

BB: i know that is a ton of work you've been doing. not sure it will hold up to a HURRICANE with 120MPH winds, but it might hold up better than those trees next to it.

i'm seeing a pretty big branch hanging over your new roof so is that ok or coming down before the tresses go up?

best of luck

got any good quotes cause i'm looking for a new one again? i had zero comments on the time out/electric chair one that i thought was pretty good and only a few on this one, but i pointed it out to a few members that are so negative that if they found $50 bill on the ground with nobody around they'd complain that it was dirty or wish it was $100.

cheers

 

[bolensboneyard]

BB: i know that is a ton of work you've been doing. not sure it will hold up to a HURRICANE with 120MPH winds, but it might hold up better than those trees next to it.

i'm seeing a pretty big branch hanging over your new roof so is that ok or coming down before the tresses go up?

best of luck

got any good quotes cause i'm looking for a new one again? i had zero comments on the time out/electric chair one that i thought was pretty good and only a few on this one, but i pointed it out to a few members that are so negative that if they found $50 bill on the ground with nobody around they'd complain that it was dirty or wish it was $100.

cheers

Drives the (big branch) is a tree. It is a Live Oak tree. The USS Constitution has a keel and the ship's mast are made out of it. Very strong and the ship is still in the water almost 250 years later. I had one over the roof of my guest cottage that ran the full length of the ridge line 24 feet parallel with it and three feet away but had to remove it only as it kept tearing up my shingles. The pole shed will have a steel roof. I already trimmed the overhanging branches to help it to grow taller. I am putting it close to the trees so it will blend into the surroundings.

 

[drivesitfar]

BB: as you've maybe noticed I ask a lot of questions and probably cause i love the answers and all the new things i learn.

so a 250 year old ship that's still sailing out in the ocean is a good story and i'll have to look more into that.

i do like the way you've located your new building back in with the trees and sounds like you did most of the hard work already when you dug the holes for the posts.

best of luck and hope you enjoy your SUNDAY.

 

[bolensboneyard]

BB: as you've maybe noticed I ask a lot of questions and probably cause i love the answers and all the new things i learn.

so a 250 year old ship that's still sailing out in the ocean is a good story and i'll have to look more into that.

i do like the way you've located your new building back in with the trees and sounds like you did most of the hard work already when you dug the holes for the posts.

best of luck and hope you enjoy your SUNDAY.

I wouldn't say it sails the ocean but it sits in the water except for repairs most of the year.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Hickory handle for the knife hammer head. The hole in the head is about 5/8 inch? I would have liked it 14 inches instead of 12 including through head but no longer hickory in the bin. Turns out it is easier to do fine blade tuning with the shorter handle.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Bobby, top job on the hickory handle..

Regards

 

[oldironfarmer]

BB: as you've maybe noticed I ask a lot of questions and probably cause i love the answers and all the new things i learn.

so a 250 year old ship that's still sailing out in the ocean is a good story and i'll have to look more into that.

i do like the way you've located your new building back in with the trees and sounds like you did most of the hard work already when you dug the holes for the posts.

best of luck and hope you enjoy your SUNDAY.

Drives: The USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned ship in the U. S. Navy. It is still very much seaworthy and has just undergone a major renovation. It was one of the first ships built for our new Navy and was named by George Washington. It is also known as Old Ironsides.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Bobby, top job on the hickory handle..

Regards

Thanks Steve. Still following your progress and praying. Looking forward to the day when I can drink to your good health!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Thanks Steve. Still following your progress and praying. Looking forward to the day when I can drink to your good health!

Thank you...

 

[bolensboneyard]

The roof has been a challenge to an old guy on a ladder. I have had to use my brain quite a bit lately to keep things square, plumb, and from causing my demise. So far so good.

 

[drivesitfar]

BB: for an OLD GUY you are doing a great job and i'm sitting in my chair watching, learning and enjoying the pictures. if you want to mention how you got the ridge board in place with just a tractor and a ladder and by yourself i'm all ears.

STAY SAFE!!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Bobby, you are doing well.

 

[bolensboneyard]

BB: for an OLD GUY you are doing a great job and i'm sitting in my chair watching, learning and enjoying the pictures. if you want to mention how you got the ridge board in place with just a tractor and a ladder and by yourself i'm all ears.

STAY SAFE!!

Drives I did not use the tractor to place the ridge just to hold up the low side so I did not have to lift as far. Thanks for the cheer.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Bobby, you are doing well.

Thanks Steve.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Looks hail for stout!!

Slow and steady, it would be a bummer to read of your demise. Ginny's next guy might not want a sawmill so just hang around.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Looks hail for stout!!

Slow and steady, it would be a bummer to read of your demise. Ginny's next guy might not want a sawmill so just hang around.

Heights still don't bother me but the ground, for some reason, seems to be a lot more threatening than it was a year ago. I hang on now when standing (rarely) on top of a step ladder. I got the last of my lumber yesterday so I should be good to go. I have located an edger but don't know if it is all there or restorable. Can't get the guy to call back with information and don't want to run out to see it for nothing. One other guy wants it but I don't rush into things any more. Keep you posted.

 

[drivesitfar]

BB: i'm not sure if this might help you with your work or your fear of heights, but I set up a couple A frame type ladders and put a 3x8 wood or steel/aluminum that size in the rungs so it sort of works like scaffolding that you can stand on it instead of the wobbly ladder. not perfect, but better and you have more range of work you can do.

also the small scaffolding units are maybe 6-8 foot wide that work pretty well too and around here you can buy good ones used for about $150 or buy one made in China from HF for about that much new.

best of luck and STAY SAFE!!

 

[dchance]

Like the hammer handle, but did you think about using persimmon? That would be different.

Shed looks like it is making good progress.

Dwight

 

[bolensboneyard]

BB: i'm not sure if this might help you with your work or your fear of heights, but I set up a couple A frame type ladders and put a 3x8 wood or steel/aluminum that size in the rungs so it sort of works like scaffolding that you can stand on it instead of the wobbly ladder. not perfect, but better and you have more range of work you can do.

also the small scaffolding units are maybe 6-8 foot wide that work pretty well too and around here you can buy good ones used for about $150 or buy one made in China from HF for about that much new.

best of luck and STAY SAFE!!

Thanks drives. No fear of heights I was referring to my broken ankle almost exactly a year ago with the ground comment. I probably should have a fear but it was a fall ON the ground that got me.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Like the hammer handle, but did you think about using persimmon? That would be different.

Shed looks like it is making good progress.

Dwight

Thanks Dwight. I considered using Persimmon but I have hickory and am trying to save the Persimmon for the finer things. I just had a few hundred feet sawn from the big tree. It is stacked for drying and hopefully will not twist too much. Some beautiful heart wood in it. Try to get some pictures out tomorrow of the volume.

 

[drivesitfar]

BB: i remember when you hurt your ankle. was it on a buried brick by the front porch you stepped on and lost your balance or was it on one of those huge snakes?

speaking of snakes since you are building your new mill's shed over in the trees are there any critters to worry about.

best of luck with the build and STAY SAFE!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

I'm with you, Bobby. I have no fear of falling, and have no fear of flying. It's the uncontrolled landing I'm scared of.

An edger is pretty simple and easy to fix, and the nonexistent other guy probably won't take it.

 

[bolensboneyard]

BB: i remember when you hurt your ankle. was it on a buried brick by the front porch you stepped on and lost your balance or was it on one of those huge snakes?

speaking of snakes since you are building your new mill's shed over in the trees are there any critters to worry about.

best of luck with the build and STAY SAFE!!

Drives got hung up on a vine while running.

 

[bolensboneyard]

I'm with you, Bobby. I have no fear of falling, and have no fear of flying. It's the uncontrolled landing I'm scared of.

An edger is pretty simple and easy to fix, and the nonexistent other guy probably won't take it.

Andy my thoughts exactly. The guy's mom died a few days ago so I told him to put it on hold and take care of his family first and call me when he is back to less important things.

 

[bolensboneyard]

This is what we sawed up from three sections in the middle of the Persimmon tree. I still have about fifteen feet around 14 inches in dia. What you see is the worst of it on top. The first two rows are nice and plenty of heart wood as visible in the first two pictures. Boards are 10 inches wide and about 5 feet long. They are drying in the barn.

 

[bolensboneyard]

I went to see a friend of mine this weekend who has a woodworking shop with an attached antique shop where he sells odd items he picks up when cleaning out old houses. He had a bucket full of odds and ends such as old shoe molds etc. In the bucket were a pile of what looked to me to be spreaders of some kind. They looked like something I could find a use for but didn't know what exactly. When I asked him he said he thought they were shoe stretchers but I knew that wasn't right. After turning the wood burner on and thinking for a bit I believed I knew what they were. I got a price from him and hauled away all 15 (five were bronze) tools for 25 bucks. Turns out I was right. They are vintage professional sculpting tools. I was just telling Ginny the other day that I thought I might like to get a potters wheel someday.

 

[dchance]

The size of the potter's tools are interesting. I would not have thought that they would be that large. The persimmon wood looks nice.

Dwight