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Modine cieling propane heater won't fire

Martyc57

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Hi all: I am new to this forum. Hope you can help me. I have a 10 year old Modine ceiling heater (60,000btu I believe)in my 30x30 garage that won't fire when heat is called for. It is propane gas fed. Hasn't been used for several years but always worked fine. The propane guy said the pilot wouldn't stay lit. He suggested I have pilot assembly and thermocouple replaced. I ordered the parts myself and had my plumber install. He got pilot to stay on and fan kicks in but no heat...the burners don't fire. Plumber checked room thermostat on wall and it works fine. He suggested I call electrician to check transformer. Today electrician friend tested all electrical and transformer is fine.

Any suggestions on what next to check or what may be causing this?
Thanks!
 
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Make sure 24 volts at gas valve. If so you need new valve. First make sure he turned gas valve knob from pilot position to on position. Simple mistake,but it happens.


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Hi all: I am new to this forum. Hope you can help me. I have a 10 year old Modine ceiling heater (60,000btu I believe)in my 30x30 garage that won't fire when heat is called for. It is propane gas fed. Hasn't been used for several years but always worked fine. The propane guy said the pilot wouldn't stay lit. He suggested I have pilot assembly and thermocouple replaced. I ordered the parts myself and had my plumber install. He got pilot to stay on and fan kicks in but no heat...the burners don't fire. Plumber checked room thermostat on wall and it works fine. He suggested I call electrician to check transformer. Today electrician friend tested all electrical and transformer is fine.



Any suggestions on what next to check or what may be causing this?

Thanks!



Did anyone check the milliamperes of the flame sensor? It should be around 2-6

A Manometer should be connected on both sides of the gas valve to check pressure. Then briefly jump the gas valve out to see if the valve opens. The Pilot should NOT be on during this test if the inducer fan motor is not on or you will get flame rollout toward you.



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Martyc57

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Found the problem with help of electrician friend. Some one on this Forum suggesting checking "limiter valve" on top of Modine. There was a reset button there. Once pressed, the burners fired up. Problem solved. Thanks for all your suggestions. For my knowledge...what would cause this limiter to trip Modine burners off?
 

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Found the problem with help of electrician friend. Some one on this Forum suggesting checking "limiter valve" on top of Modine. There was a reset button there. Once pressed, the burners fired up. Problem solved. Thanks for all your suggestions. For my knowledge...what would cause this limiter to trip Modine burners off?

Was there a flashing error code on the board ?
Or
Did the not have error code ability?

Now what caused the limit switch to trip ?
 

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Found the problem with help of electrician friend. Some one on this Forum suggesting checking "limiter valve" on top of Modine. There was a reset button there. Once pressed, the burners fired up. Problem solved. Thanks for all your suggestions. For my knowledge...what would cause this limiter to trip Modine burners off?

Limiter valve? Photo?
 
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C2F

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yes, limiter valve.
Edit: spelling
If your limit switch or rollout went off. I would thoroughly check the heat exchanger for any cracks. If a crack is found turn off the unit and replace the heat exchanger
 
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Martyc57

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Yes, it was a limit switch exactly like one shown on link in C2F's reply above. So what are possibilities that could trip this switch? crack in heat exchanger is mentioned...would electrical power outages cause it? It has been sitting dormant for years and always worked before this last start up.
 

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IMHO, if your heater tech needs an electrician to check the control transformer; you need a different heater tech.

My HVAC training included how control transformers work, even though I had been a Navy Electronics Technician for 20 years. I kept my mouth shut because it was part of the curriculum and the Instructor was teaching to the whole class, not just me.
 

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Yes, it was a limit switch exactly like one shown on link in C2F's reply above. So what are possibilities that could trip this switch? crack in heat exchanger is mentioned...would electrical power outages cause it? It has been sitting dormant for years and always worked before this last start up.

Heat exchangers fail from: Age, extremely moisture, corrosive chemical in the air, and overheating. Think of the exchanger like a cars radiator coil. Inside is the hot exhaust gas (car is glycol) and outside is the air being conditioned (car is air from outside).
The return air blows over the hot heat exchanger removing heat from the exchanger, cooling the hot exhaust gas and warming the air being conditioned.

All of the tubes on the modine that the fan blows across is the exchanger.
If seen relatively new exchangers get destroyed because the blower motor failed and the unit kept tripping on high limit. the customer resetting the unit. A high limit that is of automatic reset closes relatively fast compared to the heat exchanger. The exchanger just hotter and hotter and hotter, eventually it gives.

With that said, high limits on residential equipment is usually an automatic reset with a rollout switch being a manual reset. Manual reset is the red button you pressed. A rollout switch is in place in the chance the flame continues to run when proper exhausting ceases to happen or the heat exchanger is cracked and the conditioned air is forced into the heat exchanger via the pressure of the fan forcing the exhaust gases to reverse direction blowing out toward the gas train manifold. This would be very bad. The flame will burn up all the wires, the board. If it kept running who knows how bad **** can get. People die all the time from idiots jumping out safeties.
 
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